| Too much expectation and entitlement 09:38 - Jan 22 with 5495 views | jasondozzell |
Think maybe we need to accept that just because we want to win the league, that doesn't mean we have a God given right to.
Has Kmac improved the team? Yes. Has he got us playing a really good style of football? Yes. Have we made huge progress on and off the field? Yes.
He's a gifted young coach and this is his first job. Robson didn't win everything straight away either did he. Inevitable that there will be bumps in the road.
A few seasons ago we would have been desperate to be in the top 6 after awful mid table finishes in this league. I know we've had so much disappointment but turning the club around from where it was was never going to be an easy fix.
We are still creating good chances. At the moment it's finishing letting us down really. Fog meant second half was lottery.
Team needs our support. That means when we are going through a harder patch too.
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| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:17 - Jan 22 with 3033 views | Swansea_Blue |
I like the ‘but we’ve spent lots of money’ argument. Amazing really when you think that laughing about Derby spending lots of money and failing is practically a hobby on here.
Spending lots and having lots of new players doesn’t guarantee a thing. It makes it easier, but you’ve still got to get it all to click and you still rely on the players not to screw up at both ends. |  |
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| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:21 - Jan 22 with 3009 views | chicoazul |
I’m sorry if I’ve misunderstood you but I see no entitlement or conceitedness from fans whatsoever on here or FPR and I don’t see much expectation either. And I certainly don’t see any appeals to God. |  |
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| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:26 - Jan 22 with 2992 views | blueislander |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:21 - Jan 22 by chicoazul |
I’m sorry if I’ve misunderstood you but I see no entitlement or conceitedness from fans whatsoever on here or FPR and I don’t see much expectation either. And I certainly don’t see any appeals to God. |
I disagree with that. There is a sense of entitlement shown by lots of posters. They think that by spending money success is guaranteed. |  | | |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:28 - Jan 22 with 2965 views | chicoazul |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:26 - Jan 22 by blueislander |
I disagree with that. There is a sense of entitlement shown by lots of posters. They think that by spending money success is guaranteed. |
“Guaranteed”? | |
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| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:30 - Jan 22 with 2968 views | Mullet |
The same fickleness and attempts to provide hot takes and competitive amateur dramatics from a certain few is back isn't it?
Things need to pick up, so this idea of lashing out and sh1tting on everyone is ubersmart. Not like going to games waiting for something to moan about or people to target hasn't cost us before. |  |
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| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:31 - Jan 22 with 2952 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:26 - Jan 22 by blueislander |
I disagree with that. There is a sense of entitlement shown by lots of posters. They think that by spending money success is guaranteed. |
The owners have allowed the ceo to spend millions to help the manager get us promoted.
It's not entitlement to expect promotion, t's just how it is.itd why he was employed and he's been given all the tools to do the job.
He failed to finish in the play offs last season.
We were on our way this season but have messed it up. [Post edited 22 Jan 2023 10:41]
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| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:36 - Jan 22 with 2930 views | Ryorry |
Said last week that some people do need to remember SBR's first 3 (three) full seasons before we really started going places under his management! |  |
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| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:39 - Jan 22 with 2907 views | chicoazul |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:36 - Jan 22 by Ryorry |
Said last week that some people do need to remember SBR's first 3 (three) full seasons before we really started going places under his management! |
Comparing football now versus then, comparing McK to one of the greatest managers of all time, is fatuous. | |
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| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:39 - Jan 22 with 2906 views | blueislander |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:31 - Jan 22 by FrimleyBlue |
The owners have allowed the ceo to spend millions to help the manager get us promoted.
It's not entitlement to expect promotion, t's just how it is.itd why he was employed and he's been given all the tools to do the job.
He failed to finish in the play offs last season.
We were on our way this season but have messed it up. [Post edited 22 Jan 2023 10:41]
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I see that as entitlement even if you don’t. You can’t simply buy success. Call it “messaged sic” up at the end of the season if we fail to get promoted. Your usual negativity showing again. A lot of us get the impression from your posts that you really want us to fail. | | | |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:44 - Jan 22 with 2878 views | patrickswell |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:31 - Jan 22 by FrimleyBlue |
The owners have allowed the ceo to spend millions to help the manager get us promoted.
It's not entitlement to expect promotion, t's just how it is.itd why he was employed and he's been given all the tools to do the job.
He failed to finish in the play offs last season.
We were on our way this season but have messed it up. [Post edited 22 Jan 2023 10:41]
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"He failed to finish in the play offs last season"
I don't think you can lay that at McKenna's door. |  | | |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:45 - Jan 22 with 2861 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:39 - Jan 22 by blueislander |
I see that as entitlement even if you don’t. You can’t simply buy success. Call it “messaged sic” up at the end of the season if we fail to get promoted. Your usual negativity showing again. A lot of us get the impression from your posts that you really want us to fail. |
Again. Moaning about our failures is a clear example of someone who wants success otherwise I'd be saying who cares that we re going backwards.
You might be happy with 15 points from 33 but I'm not.
And again entitlement is entirely different to expectation. | |
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| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:47 - Jan 22 with 2850 views | Ryorry |
Sorry, fat fingers downvote - completely agree with your post 👠| |
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| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:51 - Jan 22 with 2824 views | Guthrum |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:39 - Jan 22 by chicoazul |
Comparing football now versus then, comparing McK to one of the greatest managers of all time, is fatuous. |
Tho Robson wasn't one of the greatest managers of all time then. He was a near-rookie, in his second job. who was just finding his feet. But he was given the time and space to grow into what he became. |  |
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| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:53 - Jan 22 with 2814 views | pointofblue |
I think saying that we’ll be happy to finish top six in the third tier shows that some fans have got to the point of embracing underachievement. I don’t believe Gamechanger nor the coaching staff/players have, and nor should they. | |
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| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:53 - Jan 22 with 2804 views | blueislander |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:45 - Jan 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Again. Moaning about our failures is a clear example of someone who wants success otherwise I'd be saying who cares that we re going backwards.
You might be happy with 15 points from 33 but I'm not.
And again entitlement is entirely different to expectation. |
Have you ever thought encouraging might be better than moaning? | | | |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:53 - Jan 22 with 2801 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:44 - Jan 22 by patrickswell |
"He failed to finish in the play offs last season"
I don't think you can lay that at McKenna's door. |
Why not. We were 9 points off 6th when appointed
With 66 points to play for.
People were happy to say it was impossible to get into them despite actually having the chance to. Yet the same people are positive he can win the same amount of games in a row now to keep our promotion hopes up this season. | |
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| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:55 - Jan 22 with 2789 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:53 - Jan 22 by blueislander |
Have you ever thought encouraging might be better than moaning? |
28000 people and 3000 yesterday did that. It didn't make a difference. And sitting on here pretending all is OK isn't gonna win points. | |
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| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:55 - Jan 22 with 2786 views | Ryorry |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:51 - Jan 22 by Guthrum |
Tho Robson wasn't one of the greatest managers of all time then. He was a near-rookie, in his second job. who was just finding his feet. But he was given the time and space to grow into what he became. |
Exactly, thanks. | |
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| Too much expectation and entitlement on 11:03 - Jan 22 with 2721 views | waveneyblue |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:21 - Jan 22 by chicoazul |
I’m sorry if I’ve misunderstood you but I see no entitlement or conceitedness from fans whatsoever on here or FPR and I don’t see much expectation either. And I certainly don’t see any appeals to God. |
Ha ha ha. You must be posting on and reading a different board |  | | |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 11:03 - Jan 22 with 2723 views | patrickswell |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:53 - Jan 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Why not. We were 9 points off 6th when appointed
With 66 points to play for.
People were happy to say it was impossible to get into them despite actually having the chance to. Yet the same people are positive he can win the same amount of games in a row now to keep our promotion hopes up this season. |
You know how people have lamented that this season, Plymouth and Sheffield Wednesday have been relentless while we've.fallen off the pace?
Well, in terms of last season, that. But from further back in the league and with 7 clubs proving relentless rather than 2. | | | |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 11:06 - Jan 22 with 2684 views | waveneyblue |
Absolutely spot on.
The differences between now and say 3 years ago are off the scale.
But it's still not good enough for the "I want my success right now" brigade.
Yes it's frustrating, yes we could be doing better but please think just how far we have come before verbally wetting yourself on here or social media. | | | |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 11:10 - Jan 22 with 2635 views | chicoazul |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:51 - Jan 22 by Guthrum |
Tho Robson wasn't one of the greatest managers of all time then. He was a near-rookie, in his second job. who was just finding his feet. But he was given the time and space to grow into what he became. |
He wasn’t a rookie and neither is McK. Comparing managing Ipswich in the early 70s - a pretty well established top flight team - with managing the club now is deranged. The Robson Cult that you all invoke at any point a manager starts to struggle here is a drag on this club. | |
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| Too much expectation and entitlement on 11:11 - Jan 22 with 2638 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 11:06 - Jan 22 by waveneyblue |
Absolutely spot on.
The differences between now and say 3 years ago are off the scale.
But it's still not good enough for the "I want my success right now" brigade.
Yes it's frustrating, yes we could be doing better but please think just how far we have come before verbally wetting yourself on here or social media. |
Or you just remember when Evans took over everything seemed great.
Young manager. Money. Ambition.
Soon got fed up spending for failure and club left to rot. | |
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| Too much expectation and entitlement on 11:16 - Jan 22 with 2575 views | chicoazul |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:53 - Jan 22 by blueislander |
Have you ever thought encouraging might be better than moaning? |
Or PR is packed and rocking this place has never been busier elsewhere online by all accounts is buzzing and still the players let everyone down. In other words our encouragement makes no material difference whatsoever. | |
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| Too much expectation and entitlement on 11:23 - Jan 22 with 2540 views | Ryorry |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 11:10 - Jan 22 by chicoazul |
He wasn’t a rookie and neither is McK. Comparing managing Ipswich in the early 70s - a pretty well established top flight team - with managing the club now is deranged. The Robson Cult that you all invoke at any point a manager starts to struggle here is a drag on this club. |
So in your view, someone who's never managed a Club's first team before isn't a rookie. Sums up the validity of your take.
A reminder for you of our league positions for the first full 3 seasons Bobby Robson (as he was back then) managed us, starting 1969-70 (top tier) -
18th
19th
13th | |
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