| Bloody Plymouth 21:27 - Mar 7 with 10989 views | gainsboroughblue |
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| Bloody Plymouth on 22:27 - Mar 7 with 3111 views | itfcsuth |
The good sides do, and make no mistake they are a really good side. They are up there on merit, and continue to be a tough task to chase down now - but we are doing absolutely everything right in pushing them.
I watched that game tonight, and it was of course a really really soft penalty, but how poor were Derby, really really poor on tonight’s showing. |  | | |
| Bloody Plymouth on 22:32 - Mar 7 with 3059 views | Herbivore |
| Bloody Plymouth on 22:16 - Mar 7 by tractordownsouth |
That wasn’t a foul on Chaplin. |
It was. He played for it by putting his body in the way but their player came through the back of him when he was in a position to clear it. If it had been the other way round a lot of our fans would be saying our goal should be disallowed, because as a fan base we seem to think we deserve no decisions in our favour and that the oppo should get everything. |  |
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| Bloody Plymouth on 22:48 - Mar 7 with 2973 views | Argyle_Fan |
| Bloody Plymouth on 21:50 - Mar 7 by ReusersTown |
Get deflected goals and cheat? They seem to score an unbelievable amount of deflected goals, two against us. |
You mean the deflected strike at HP, where as part of a slide tackle, the ball cannoned off of Scarr's shin, came back off Ladapo's shin and then went back over the top of Mike Cooper and into the net?
Also this link very cleary shows there WAS contact for the pen (although I'm not going to pretend he hasn't made a meal of it - but it's quite clearly a pen as his foot was stood on) -
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| Bloody Plymouth on 22:48 - Mar 7 with 2965 views | NthQldITFC |
Just reading through their matchday thread, and their fans were really negative about them at half time. Matete came on and totally changed the game by the sound of things.
Of course, it's the sign of a good side to come from behind and win like that, but I get the feeling they are starting to feel the heat of us closing on them a little, given their collapse last season. If we can close the gap again on Saturday, I have a strong feeling that both crowd and team might get a little wobbly.
They know they've had the rub of the green lately and they are getting just a touch windy. |  |
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| Bloody Plymouth on 22:51 - Mar 7 with 2936 views | Chrisd |
| Bloody Plymouth on 22:16 - Mar 7 by tractordownsouth |
That wasn’t a foul on Chaplin. |
No, you’re right it wasn’t. He should have stood his ground more instead of looking for the contact and throwing himself to the floor. | |
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| Bloody Plymouth on 22:57 - Mar 7 with 2872 views | LankHenners |
Diehard Budgie Warne's side chucking away a lead which means Town can't close the gap on a promotion rival? And I see the goals were a penalty and a Derby player deflecting the ball in?
Hate to think the worst but sadly can only conclude that there was blatant corruption on show at Home Park and the only fair outcome to protect the integrity of the league is to dock both teams 20 points with immediate effect. |  |
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| Bloody Plymouth on 23:24 - Mar 7 with 2596 views | berkstractorboy |
| Bloody Plymouth on 22:48 - Mar 7 by Argyle_Fan |
You mean the deflected strike at HP, where as part of a slide tackle, the ball cannoned off of Scarr's shin, came back off Ladapo's shin and then went back over the top of Mike Cooper and into the net?
Also this link very cleary shows there WAS contact for the pen (although I'm not going to pretend he hasn't made a meal of it - but it's quite clearly a pen as his foot was stood on) -
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You're smoking something! There was slight contact but not enough to go down and he didn't even go down immediately at the point of contact I think you'll find its 'contact with consequence' these days and that was just a plain dive! If that was against you I can 100% say you won't think its a clear pen. Ridiculous to defend your player for that. [Post edited 7 Mar 2023 23:26]
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| Bloody Plymouth on 23:28 - Mar 7 with 2561 views | Argyle_Fan |
| Bloody Plymouth on 23:24 - Mar 7 by berkstractorboy |
You're smoking something! There was slight contact but not enough to go down and he didn't even go down immediately at the point of contact I think you'll find its 'contact with consequence' these days and that was just a plain dive! If that was against you I can 100% say you won't think its a clear pen. Ridiculous to defend your player for that. [Post edited 7 Mar 2023 23:26]
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'not enough to go down' - agreed. He doesn't need to go down for it to be a penalty though. His foot stamps on Azaz. Azaz has made a meal out of it, but unless you're blind, it's there for all to see. Of course I'd be angry if it was the other way around - because it's soft. But there's contact. Not smoking anything thank you. Just being brutally honest, black and white. You're not though. | | | |
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| Bloody Plymouth on 23:31 - Mar 7 with 2534 views | Herbivore |
| Bloody Plymouth on 23:28 - Mar 7 by Argyle_Fan |
'not enough to go down' - agreed. He doesn't need to go down for it to be a penalty though. His foot stamps on Azaz. Azaz has made a meal out of it, but unless you're blind, it's there for all to see. Of course I'd be angry if it was the other way around - because it's soft. But there's contact. Not smoking anything thank you. Just being brutally honest, black and white. You're not though. |
If that was consistently given as a pen we'd have had about 15-20 pens this season. There's minimal contact and not remotely enough to make him go down like that. | |
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| Bloody Plymouth on 23:36 - Mar 7 with 2482 views | Argyle_Fan |
| Bloody Plymouth on 23:31 - Mar 7 by Herbivore |
If that was consistently given as a pen we'd have had about 15-20 pens this season. There's minimal contact and not remotely enough to make him go down like that. |
You're not wrong at all but are you saying that Ipswich, Sheff Wed, or any other team this season has not had a soft pen given to them this season? Whichever way you look at it, there's contact and if that happens up and down the EFL on saturday, you'll get plenty of them waved on, and quite a number given as pens. It's not nice at all and I'd be salty if it was the other way. Sadly that's football though. Every team would try the same and up and down the country plenty of pens would be given for that. [Post edited 7 Mar 2023 23:37]
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| Bloody Plymouth on 23:40 - Mar 7 with 2457 views | berkstractorboy |
| Bloody Plymouth on 23:28 - Mar 7 by Argyle_Fan |
'not enough to go down' - agreed. He doesn't need to go down for it to be a penalty though. His foot stamps on Azaz. Azaz has made a meal out of it, but unless you're blind, it's there for all to see. Of course I'd be angry if it was the other way around - because it's soft. But there's contact. Not smoking anything thank you. Just being brutally honest, black and white. You're not though. |
But its not just contact under the new rules it's contact with consequence. The consequence of that very soft contact was Azaz could easily have stayed on his feet but no he pretended he couldn't get his foot down when he clearly could and proceeded to fall over. As I said before if you can read, yes that was contact but not sufficient for the consequence to pole-axe the player to the ground. [Post edited 7 Mar 2023 23:41]
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| Bloody Plymouth on 23:43 - Mar 7 with 2424 views | Herbivore |
| Bloody Plymouth on 23:36 - Mar 7 by Argyle_Fan |
You're not wrong at all but are you saying that Ipswich, Sheff Wed, or any other team this season has not had a soft pen given to them this season? Whichever way you look at it, there's contact and if that happens up and down the EFL on saturday, you'll get plenty of them waved on, and quite a number given as pens. It's not nice at all and I'd be salty if it was the other way. Sadly that's football though. Every team would try the same and up and down the country plenty of pens would be given for that. [Post edited 7 Mar 2023 23:37]
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Trying to think of a single soft pen we've been given. Can definitely recall several stonewall pens not given. | |
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| Bloody Plymouth on 23:53 - Mar 7 with 2344 views | berkstractorboy |
| Bloody Plymouth on 23:43 - Mar 7 by Herbivore |
Trying to think of a single soft pen we've been given. Can definitely recall several stonewall pens not given. |
Being devils advocate the 2nd (or was it 1st) at Morecombe was a bit soft but that would be it for soft awards. | | | |
| Bloody Plymouth on 23:59 - Mar 7 with 2310 views | Alphacentauri76 |
Tonight was just another example of Argyle pushing hard in the second half after being blown apart in the first half.
Derby really aren't all that and I think we all know and love that, however we have plugged away all season and i think we deserve to be in the position we are in right now.
It has been a fantastic season for us, Ipswich and Wednesday and who knows what the outcome will be but its been exciting.
As for that pen....
Not a penalty in anyone's eyes, on the night as a fan you are going to want it and you're going to love having them given, we've seen the Derby forum saying things like the EFL have rung the ref to make sure we win.... big club syndrome up there and feeling sorry themselves that little clubs dare to beat them.
You have done your job over the last four games beating the cannon fodder as you should do, whether this will be of any use to you over the rest of the season is yet to be seen but after Saturday its pretty plain sailing for Argyle, but for the other chasing teams its not so easy.
I do agree that the Argyle fan saying its a pen must be smoking something because anyone a fan or not can see Azaz did a job and won the pen. | | | |
| Bloody Plymouth on 00:01 - Mar 8 with 2274 views | Argyle_Fan |
| Bloody Plymouth on 23:40 - Mar 7 by berkstractorboy |
But its not just contact under the new rules it's contact with consequence. The consequence of that very soft contact was Azaz could easily have stayed on his feet but no he pretended he couldn't get his foot down when he clearly could and proceeded to fall over. As I said before if you can read, yes that was contact but not sufficient for the consequence to pole-axe the player to the ground. [Post edited 7 Mar 2023 23:41]
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Agreed - but do you think a nippy clever player like Chaplin or Burns wouldn't do the same? and that on another day the ref wouldn't give a pen? It happens every single week in the EFL and you could review each and every one and there are a number in the 'soft' category. Tonight's was just that. I'm with you on the diving - I hate it. I bloody hate it and I've no issue saying that Azaz made an absolute meal out of it. Look at this from our 5-2 drubbing by P'boro (10 secs in ) -
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12819958/peterborough-5-2-
From what you are saying that shouldn't be a pen also? As the P'boro player has exaggerated the fall from the slightest of back pushes. It's a hell of a soft pen, but it's a pen nonetheless. [Post edited 8 Mar 2023 0:07]
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| Bloody Plymouth on 00:03 - Mar 8 with 2264 views | Vegtablue |
| Bloody Plymouth on 23:40 - Mar 7 by berkstractorboy |
But its not just contact under the new rules it's contact with consequence. The consequence of that very soft contact was Azaz could easily have stayed on his feet but no he pretended he couldn't get his foot down when he clearly could and proceeded to fall over. As I said before if you can read, yes that was contact but not sufficient for the consequence to pole-axe the player to the ground. [Post edited 7 Mar 2023 23:41]
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Clearly shouldn't have been a penalty. You had the majority of the game so that's not to say you'd have likely dropped points without it. | | | |
| Bloody Plymouth on 00:05 - Mar 8 with 2236 views | Argyle_Fan |
| Bloody Plymouth on 23:59 - Mar 7 by Alphacentauri76 |
Tonight was just another example of Argyle pushing hard in the second half after being blown apart in the first half.
Derby really aren't all that and I think we all know and love that, however we have plugged away all season and i think we deserve to be in the position we are in right now.
It has been a fantastic season for us, Ipswich and Wednesday and who knows what the outcome will be but its been exciting.
As for that pen....
Not a penalty in anyone's eyes, on the night as a fan you are going to want it and you're going to love having them given, we've seen the Derby forum saying things like the EFL have rung the ref to make sure we win.... big club syndrome up there and feeling sorry themselves that little clubs dare to beat them.
You have done your job over the last four games beating the cannon fodder as you should do, whether this will be of any use to you over the rest of the season is yet to be seen but after Saturday its pretty plain sailing for Argyle, but for the other chasing teams its not so easy.
I do agree that the Argyle fan saying its a pen must be smoking something because anyone a fan or not can see Azaz did a job and won the pen. |
Lol - not at all. And the only team that were blown apart were your lot tonight - we tore you to shreds in the last half hour and fully deserved 3 pts.
When we lost at Peterborough the other week, they were given a soft pen, it's still a pen, but it's soft. Look at this 10 seconds in -
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12819958/peterborough-5-2-
Exactly the same as tonight. The P'boro player doesn't need to fall over as though he's been hit by a car but he won the pen and it was soft, but there's contact. Not enough contact for him to fall over as he did, but there was contact. | | | |
| Bloody Plymouth on 00:08 - Mar 8 with 2210 views | Matt_Netherlands |
| Bloody Plymouth on 22:48 - Mar 7 by Argyle_Fan |
You mean the deflected strike at HP, where as part of a slide tackle, the ball cannoned off of Scarr's shin, came back off Ladapo's shin and then went back over the top of Mike Cooper and into the net?
Also this link very cleary shows there WAS contact for the pen (although I'm not going to pretend he hasn't made a meal of it - but it's quite clearly a pen as his foot was stood on) -
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I guess it’s just another example of the kind of poor decisions we’re all too used to seeing week in week out league one. Would be interesting to know if VAR would have given it - they might not have looked too kindly on his theatrical reaction / leap to the floor.
Like others have said we’d not be complaining if it was given to us, but it’s still a pretty dubious decision to say the very least. We’ve had some absolute shockers this season, like this one below which didn’t even win us a penalty, let alone the red card it deserved. Still as much of a hilarious decision now, as it was at the time.
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| Bloody Plymouth on 00:10 - Mar 8 with 2199 views | bournemouthblue |
| Bloody Plymouth on 22:16 - Mar 7 by tractordownsouth |
That wasn’t a foul on Chaplin. |
Agreed on that, Chaplin was looking for it, if he'd have stood up, he'd have probably stopped the shot |  |
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| Bloody Plymouth on 00:12 - Mar 8 with 2188 views | Argyle_Fan |
| Bloody Plymouth on 00:08 - Mar 8 by Matt_Netherlands |
I guess it’s just another example of the kind of poor decisions we’re all too used to seeing week in week out league one. Would be interesting to know if VAR would have given it - they might not have looked too kindly on his theatrical reaction / leap to the floor.
Like others have said we’d not be complaining if it was given to us, but it’s still a pretty dubious decision to say the very least. We’ve had some absolute shockers this season, like this one below which didn’t even win us a penalty, let alone the red card it deserved. Still as much of a hilarious decision now, as it was at the time.
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That's an absolute shocker, crikey. We've had a couple of absolute stonewalls against Charlton and Fleetwood also just in the last couple of weeks. The officiating at this level is an absolute joke, that is for sure. We've defo had the rub of the green tonight with it. | | | |
| Bloody Plymouth on 00:13 - Mar 8 with 2182 views | Alphacentauri76 |
| Bloody Plymouth on 00:05 - Mar 8 by Argyle_Fan |
Lol - not at all. And the only team that were blown apart were your lot tonight - we tore you to shreds in the last half hour and fully deserved 3 pts.
When we lost at Peterborough the other week, they were given a soft pen, it's still a pen, but it's soft. Look at this 10 seconds in -
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12819958/peterborough-5-2-
Exactly the same as tonight. The P'boro player doesn't need to fall over as though he's been hit by a car but he won the pen and it was soft, but there's contact. Not enough contact for him to fall over as he did, but there was contact. |
I am an Argyle fan you moron, you must be smoking weed if you cant read that properly | | | |
| Bloody Plymouth on 00:23 - Mar 8 with 2156 views | berkstractorboy |
| Bloody Plymouth on 00:05 - Mar 8 by Argyle_Fan |
Lol - not at all. And the only team that were blown apart were your lot tonight - we tore you to shreds in the last half hour and fully deserved 3 pts.
When we lost at Peterborough the other week, they were given a soft pen, it's still a pen, but it's soft. Look at this 10 seconds in -
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12819958/peterborough-5-2-
Exactly the same as tonight. The P'boro player doesn't need to fall over as though he's been hit by a car but he won the pen and it was soft, but there's contact. Not enough contact for him to fall over as he did, but there was contact. |
I think Alphacenture is a PAFC fan not DCFC.
I agree Ipswich and other players may also try their luck in similar circumstances, but no ref has bought any cheap fouls like he did with Azaz. We've had some stonewallers not given but we are not the only team in that position. It all feels very raw as L1 officials are generally shocking and altering the course of some games and its wearing thin now for fans.
You still aren't getting my point though, the rules changed for contact in the penalty area to stop soft penalties like Sterling won vs Denmark in Euro semi-final. It's not just about contact, and yes I agree there was minimal contact on Azaz. Its about contact with consequence and thats for the ref to judge, was the consequence of the contact sufficient to make a player lose balance and go to ground. From our possibility to see replays then it was clear and if there was VAR I think it would be overturned.
And yes there was a pen against you at P'boro that shouldn't have been given. But that night it suited what we wanted but not today  The life of a football fan I guess. | | | |
| Bloody Plymouth on 00:30 - Mar 8 with 2134 views | ReusersTown |
| Bloody Plymouth on 23:28 - Mar 7 by Argyle_Fan |
'not enough to go down' - agreed. He doesn't need to go down for it to be a penalty though. His foot stamps on Azaz. Azaz has made a meal out of it, but unless you're blind, it's there for all to see. Of course I'd be angry if it was the other way around - because it's soft. But there's contact. Not smoking anything thank you. Just being brutally honest, black and white. You're not though. |
You're having to guess whther there is even the slightest contact with his toe. That should tell you all you need to know. That's a full on dive just accept it, that isn't even the worst angle, and lol 'foot stamp', not worth debating it with you, on you jog. | | | |
| Bloody Plymouth on 00:32 - Mar 8 with 2129 views | ReusersTown |
| Bloody Plymouth on 23:36 - Mar 7 by Argyle_Fan |
You're not wrong at all but are you saying that Ipswich, Sheff Wed, or any other team this season has not had a soft pen given to them this season? Whichever way you look at it, there's contact and if that happens up and down the EFL on saturday, you'll get plenty of them waved on, and quite a number given as pens. It's not nice at all and I'd be salty if it was the other way. Sadly that's football though. Every team would try the same and up and down the country plenty of pens would be given for that. [Post edited 7 Mar 2023 23:37]
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That is not a 'soft pen' it is a dive. Stop condoning cheating. | | | |
| Bloody Plymouth on 00:38 - Mar 8 with 2109 views | ReusersTown |
| Bloody Plymouth on 00:13 - Mar 8 by Alphacentauri76 |
I am an Argyle fan you moron, you must be smoking weed if you cant read that properly |
Lol, I quite enjoyed that! | | | |
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