| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall 09:42 - Apr 22 with 2681 views | Guthrum |
points to the end of politicians feeling that just being the biggest sh1thead in the room is an adequate way to conduct government of the country.
Macho strength posturing (not limited to men) is no substitute for rationality and competence. Even if it is apparently worshipped by the constituency rank-and-file of certain parties. |  |
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| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 09:52 - Apr 22 with 1977 views | BlueNomad |
Not if this morning’s Mail and Express are anything to go by |  | | |
| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 10:06 - Apr 22 with 1951 views | Guthrum |
| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 09:52 - Apr 22 by BlueNomad |
Not if this morning’s Mail and Express are anything to go by |
Their hoped-for readership being those referred to in my final sentence. Which I suppose buys them a few tens of thousands in guaranteed sales at a time when circulations and advertising revenue are well down. | |
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| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 10:17 - Apr 22 with 1918 views | Herbivore |
Going by the piss weak response from Sunak, I can't see it. It seems we're going to redefine what constitutes bullying rather than acknowledge that Raab is a bully. |  |
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| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 10:20 - Apr 22 with 1926 views | Ewan_Oozami |
Everybody wants a strong person in charge - as long as that strength is directed towards someone else and not themselves..... |  |
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| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 10:39 - Apr 22 with 1902 views | Churchman |
| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 09:52 - Apr 22 by BlueNomad |
Not if this morning’s Mail and Express are anything to go by |
Agreed. They’re right behind the little man whose only achievement in seven years was to keep breathing.
From the Independent Jacob Rees-Mogg said:
“These are high pressure roles and people working for the deputy prime minister must realise they’re not in the teddy bear’s picnic.
“This is a tough and robust working environment, I think it is absolutely ridiculous to think that it is going to be anything other than that when you’re running the country and decisions have to be made very rapidly and high standards are expected‘
So as far as he’s concerned a ‘tough and robust working environment’ means you can bully and abuse, shout at and ridicule because that gets the job done. Wrong mr stick insect. I don’t care if you went to Eton or the Dog & Duck, you treat people as you expect to be treated. Properly. It gets things done far quicker and more efficiently, especially in a ‘tough working environment’.
Yes, it is a high pressured environment. I’ve seen it first hand and worked in it. I know people who’ve worked directly for the PM downwards too. They were and are curiously loyal to ministers, even to odious fish-eye Osborne. PMs and ministers from days gone by recognised that relationship and valued it. Not now.
The interesting thing is that JRM mentions ‘high standards’, yet he clearly doesn’t believe in any standards of behaviour as long as he and his rabble are on the delivering end.
But then of course nothing is the Government’s fault. The crashing of the economy, Brexit catastrophe, Covid deaths, fraud and money blown shambles, Hancock caught grappling with his new/old gf in work. The Barnard Castle wart Cummings driving 100s miles during lockdown to test his eyesight. Food shortages - same everywhere even though the rest of Europe was having to prop up the shelves groaning with produce. Inflation: greedy people wanting a living wage when all the evidence points at govt mismanagement/ Brexit /supply problems. No energy storage: Russia’s fault. Austerity: had to be done. What a bit like Blackadder’s Captain Rum believing he didn’t need a crew when every other captain said you did? No, it was a political assault that had nothing to do with economics.
And so it goes on. As this country has fallen apart, not one aspect is down to them. Blameless. Squeaky clean. Martyr Johnson brought down by people who didn’t understand. So he wasn’t a grasping, stupid, lazy, odious oaf then Their solution is always blame and in the CS they have the perfect target because they loathe the public sector and they know it can’t fight back.
I hate Rees-Mogg and the rest of his crowd. They disgust me. [Post edited 22 Apr 2023 10:42]
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| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 11:11 - Apr 22 with 1799 views | BlueNomad |
| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 10:39 - Apr 22 by Churchman |
Agreed. They’re right behind the little man whose only achievement in seven years was to keep breathing.
From the Independent Jacob Rees-Mogg said:
“These are high pressure roles and people working for the deputy prime minister must realise they’re not in the teddy bear’s picnic.
“This is a tough and robust working environment, I think it is absolutely ridiculous to think that it is going to be anything other than that when you’re running the country and decisions have to be made very rapidly and high standards are expected‘
So as far as he’s concerned a ‘tough and robust working environment’ means you can bully and abuse, shout at and ridicule because that gets the job done. Wrong mr stick insect. I don’t care if you went to Eton or the Dog & Duck, you treat people as you expect to be treated. Properly. It gets things done far quicker and more efficiently, especially in a ‘tough working environment’.
Yes, it is a high pressured environment. I’ve seen it first hand and worked in it. I know people who’ve worked directly for the PM downwards too. They were and are curiously loyal to ministers, even to odious fish-eye Osborne. PMs and ministers from days gone by recognised that relationship and valued it. Not now.
The interesting thing is that JRM mentions ‘high standards’, yet he clearly doesn’t believe in any standards of behaviour as long as he and his rabble are on the delivering end.
But then of course nothing is the Government’s fault. The crashing of the economy, Brexit catastrophe, Covid deaths, fraud and money blown shambles, Hancock caught grappling with his new/old gf in work. The Barnard Castle wart Cummings driving 100s miles during lockdown to test his eyesight. Food shortages - same everywhere even though the rest of Europe was having to prop up the shelves groaning with produce. Inflation: greedy people wanting a living wage when all the evidence points at govt mismanagement/ Brexit /supply problems. No energy storage: Russia’s fault. Austerity: had to be done. What a bit like Blackadder’s Captain Rum believing he didn’t need a crew when every other captain said you did? No, it was a political assault that had nothing to do with economics.
And so it goes on. As this country has fallen apart, not one aspect is down to them. Blameless. Squeaky clean. Martyr Johnson brought down by people who didn’t understand. So he wasn’t a grasping, stupid, lazy, odious oaf then Their solution is always blame and in the CS they have the perfect target because they loathe the public sector and they know it can’t fight back.
I hate Rees-Mogg and the rest of his crowd. They disgust me. [Post edited 22 Apr 2023 10:42]
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Your comments deserve a far wider audience than TWTD - excellent summary. | | | |
| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 11:20 - Apr 22 with 1754 views | chicoazul |
Good to know civil servants can get elected officials to leave/be sacked though. |  |
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| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 11:23 - Apr 22 with 1736 views | Herbivore |
| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 11:20 - Apr 22 by chicoazul |
Good to know civil servants can get elected officials to leave/be sacked though. |
You're not even a sh!t parody of the poster you used to be anymore. | |
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| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 12:02 - Apr 22 with 1684 views | Zapers |
| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 11:23 - Apr 22 by Herbivore |
You're not even a sh!t parody of the poster you used to be anymore. |
Truth hurts? |  | | |
| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 12:24 - Apr 22 with 1621 views | leitrimblue |
| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 11:20 - Apr 22 by chicoazul |
Good to know civil servants can get elected officials to leave/be sacked though. |
It is indeed and long may it continue. Nobody should have to put up with abuse or bullying in the workplace. ( unless of course its me doing it, then it's just a bit of bantz and you need to man the feck up Julian) |  | | |
| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 12:29 - Apr 22 with 1593 views | Crawfordsboot |
| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 10:17 - Apr 22 by Herbivore |
Going by the piss weak response from Sunak, I can't see it. It seems we're going to redefine what constitutes bullying rather than acknowledge that Raab is a bully. |
I recommend that you read the full 45 page report. It is an excellent piece of work. It sets out clearly what constitutes bullying, both in a legal sense and general terms. They are different. It also sets out the approach to the gathering and weighing of evidence. It then presents the evidence for the Prime Minister to reach his decision. The evidence was very clear and had Raab not resigned then Sunak would have had to fire him. The evidence was always going to be published.
Not sure that Sunak should be criticised here. Raab on the other hand still appears to be in denial. |  | | |
| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 12:34 - Apr 22 with 1563 views | Herbivore |
| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 12:29 - Apr 22 by Crawfordsboot |
I recommend that you read the full 45 page report. It is an excellent piece of work. It sets out clearly what constitutes bullying, both in a legal sense and general terms. They are different. It also sets out the approach to the gathering and weighing of evidence. It then presents the evidence for the Prime Minister to reach his decision. The evidence was very clear and had Raab not resigned then Sunak would have had to fire him. The evidence was always going to be published.
Not sure that Sunak should be criticised here. Raab on the other hand still appears to be in denial. |
Sunak didn't sack him though, he dithered. And his response has not condemned Raab in the slightest, his only criticism was of "the process". The response from the Tories has, predictably, been to deflect attention away from Raab and his behaviour. The civil service are being thrown under the bus. The public won't read the report, sadly. | |
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| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 12:40 - Apr 22 with 1544 views | chicoazul |
| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 12:24 - Apr 22 by leitrimblue |
It is indeed and long may it continue. Nobody should have to put up with abuse or bullying in the workplace. ( unless of course its me doing it, then it's just a bit of bantz and you need to man the feck up Julian) |
Looking forwards to TWTDs reaction when I dunno, Lisa Nandy upsets someone menopausal at the home office in 3 years time to the point of tears, I’m sure the reaction will be exactly the same. [Post edited 22 Apr 2023 12:40]
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| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 12:48 - Apr 22 with 1508 views | Crawfordsboot |
| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 12:34 - Apr 22 by Herbivore |
Sunak didn't sack him though, he dithered. And his response has not condemned Raab in the slightest, his only criticism was of "the process". The response from the Tories has, predictably, been to deflect attention away from Raab and his behaviour. The civil service are being thrown under the bus. The public won't read the report, sadly. |
With a report being prepared there was no way Sunak would sack him until the report was completed. He had to follow due process. Once the report was completed and made available to Raab and Sunak then Raab resigned before being fired. You can argue that Raab should not have been appointed and that he is a bully (and I would agree with you) but to be fair Sunak has followed due process here.
The usual suspects in the Conservative Party are trying to deflect attention and blame the Civil Service but on a more positive note, and despite the ranting of the Tory press, a lot of people are now more aware of the failings of the Conservative government. I am hopeful that the next election will see them swept away. | | | |
| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 12:52 - Apr 22 with 1500 views | Hereford_Blue |
| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 10:39 - Apr 22 by Churchman |
Agreed. They’re right behind the little man whose only achievement in seven years was to keep breathing.
From the Independent Jacob Rees-Mogg said:
“These are high pressure roles and people working for the deputy prime minister must realise they’re not in the teddy bear’s picnic.
“This is a tough and robust working environment, I think it is absolutely ridiculous to think that it is going to be anything other than that when you’re running the country and decisions have to be made very rapidly and high standards are expected‘
So as far as he’s concerned a ‘tough and robust working environment’ means you can bully and abuse, shout at and ridicule because that gets the job done. Wrong mr stick insect. I don’t care if you went to Eton or the Dog & Duck, you treat people as you expect to be treated. Properly. It gets things done far quicker and more efficiently, especially in a ‘tough working environment’.
Yes, it is a high pressured environment. I’ve seen it first hand and worked in it. I know people who’ve worked directly for the PM downwards too. They were and are curiously loyal to ministers, even to odious fish-eye Osborne. PMs and ministers from days gone by recognised that relationship and valued it. Not now.
The interesting thing is that JRM mentions ‘high standards’, yet he clearly doesn’t believe in any standards of behaviour as long as he and his rabble are on the delivering end.
But then of course nothing is the Government’s fault. The crashing of the economy, Brexit catastrophe, Covid deaths, fraud and money blown shambles, Hancock caught grappling with his new/old gf in work. The Barnard Castle wart Cummings driving 100s miles during lockdown to test his eyesight. Food shortages - same everywhere even though the rest of Europe was having to prop up the shelves groaning with produce. Inflation: greedy people wanting a living wage when all the evidence points at govt mismanagement/ Brexit /supply problems. No energy storage: Russia’s fault. Austerity: had to be done. What a bit like Blackadder’s Captain Rum believing he didn’t need a crew when every other captain said you did? No, it was a political assault that had nothing to do with economics.
And so it goes on. As this country has fallen apart, not one aspect is down to them. Blameless. Squeaky clean. Martyr Johnson brought down by people who didn’t understand. So he wasn’t a grasping, stupid, lazy, odious oaf then Their solution is always blame and in the CS they have the perfect target because they loathe the public sector and they know it can’t fight back.
I hate Rees-Mogg and the rest of his crowd. They disgust me. [Post edited 22 Apr 2023 10:42]
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POTD. Excellent assessment. |  | | |
| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 12:56 - Apr 22 with 1476 views | leitrimblue |
| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 12:40 - Apr 22 by chicoazul |
Looking forwards to TWTDs reaction when I dunno, Lisa Nandy upsets someone menopausal at the home office in 3 years time to the point of tears, I’m sure the reaction will be exactly the same. [Post edited 22 Apr 2023 12:40]
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Feck! Is that you Julian? Come on it was just a feckin joke jules | | | |
| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 12:57 - Apr 22 with 1470 views | Herbivore |
| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 12:48 - Apr 22 by Crawfordsboot |
With a report being prepared there was no way Sunak would sack him until the report was completed. He had to follow due process. Once the report was completed and made available to Raab and Sunak then Raab resigned before being fired. You can argue that Raab should not have been appointed and that he is a bully (and I would agree with you) but to be fair Sunak has followed due process here.
The usual suspects in the Conservative Party are trying to deflect attention and blame the Civil Service but on a more positive note, and despite the ranting of the Tory press, a lot of people are now more aware of the failings of the Conservative government. I am hopeful that the next election will see them swept away. |
Sunak sat on the report overnight. He had time to sack him once he'd had sight of the report but he was too weak to do so. Similar thing happened with Williamson, whilst Braverman is still in post despite having breached the ministerial code. He's been incredibly weak when it comes to holding his cabinet to account for their behaviour and his statements on the report scarcely condemn the kind of behaviour Raab was found guilty of. I hope the Tories will be toast but they still largely set the agenda in this country because of the media backing they have. It's toxic. | |
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| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 13:21 - Apr 22 with 1425 views | BlueBadger |
| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 12:40 - Apr 22 by chicoazul |
Looking forwards to TWTDs reaction when I dunno, Lisa Nandy upsets someone menopausal at the home office in 3 years time to the point of tears, I’m sure the reaction will be exactly the same. [Post edited 22 Apr 2023 12:40]
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Chicos greatest tragedy is that, like a lot edgelords, he's chosen to model himself on a Hitchens. Trouble is, he chose Peter |  |
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| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 13:34 - Apr 22 with 1374 views | Crawfordsboot |
| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 12:34 - Apr 22 by Herbivore |
Sunak didn't sack him though, he dithered. And his response has not condemned Raab in the slightest, his only criticism was of "the process". The response from the Tories has, predictably, been to deflect attention away from Raab and his behaviour. The civil service are being thrown under the bus. The public won't read the report, sadly. |
https://bylinetimes.com/2023/04/21/dominic-raabs-resignation-exposes-the-rotten-
Interesting article that supports your basic call | | | |
| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 13:53 - Apr 22 with 1333 views | noggin |
| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 12:40 - Apr 22 by chicoazul |
Looking forwards to TWTDs reaction when I dunno, Lisa Nandy upsets someone menopausal at the home office in 3 years time to the point of tears, I’m sure the reaction will be exactly the same. [Post edited 22 Apr 2023 12:40]
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You try too hard Chico. You're supposed to make others look stupid. |  |
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| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 14:12 - Apr 22 with 1241 views | Guthrum |
| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 11:20 - Apr 22 by chicoazul |
Good to know civil servants can get elected officials to leave/be sacked though. |
He was appointed to office by the Prime Minister, not elected. | |
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| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 14:27 - Apr 22 with 1205 views | chicoazul |
| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 13:53 - Apr 22 by noggin |
You try too hard Chico. You're supposed to make others look stupid. |
Not even Labour can cock it up from here I’m afraid. | |
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| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 14:28 - Apr 22 with 1205 views | chicoazul |
| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 14:12 - Apr 22 by Guthrum |
He was appointed to office by the Prime Minister, not elected. |
Oh I’m fairly sure you know what I meant.
Like I say, I look forward to TWTD reaction when the same thing happens. I imagine it will be exactly the same! | |
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| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 14:41 - Apr 22 with 1129 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 12:40 - Apr 22 by chicoazul |
Looking forwards to TWTDs reaction when I dunno, Lisa Nandy upsets someone menopausal at the home office in 3 years time to the point of tears, I’m sure the reaction will be exactly the same. [Post edited 22 Apr 2023 12:40]
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Bullying is wrong. Full stop.
But it is rather amusing to remember the vocal remainers on here who defended John Bercow when he was accused of the same, because he was frustrating Brexit. |  |
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| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 14:45 - Apr 22 with 1104 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Hopefully Dominic Raab's fall on 10:39 - Apr 22 by Churchman |
Agreed. They’re right behind the little man whose only achievement in seven years was to keep breathing.
From the Independent Jacob Rees-Mogg said:
“These are high pressure roles and people working for the deputy prime minister must realise they’re not in the teddy bear’s picnic.
“This is a tough and robust working environment, I think it is absolutely ridiculous to think that it is going to be anything other than that when you’re running the country and decisions have to be made very rapidly and high standards are expected‘
So as far as he’s concerned a ‘tough and robust working environment’ means you can bully and abuse, shout at and ridicule because that gets the job done. Wrong mr stick insect. I don’t care if you went to Eton or the Dog & Duck, you treat people as you expect to be treated. Properly. It gets things done far quicker and more efficiently, especially in a ‘tough working environment’.
Yes, it is a high pressured environment. I’ve seen it first hand and worked in it. I know people who’ve worked directly for the PM downwards too. They were and are curiously loyal to ministers, even to odious fish-eye Osborne. PMs and ministers from days gone by recognised that relationship and valued it. Not now.
The interesting thing is that JRM mentions ‘high standards’, yet he clearly doesn’t believe in any standards of behaviour as long as he and his rabble are on the delivering end.
But then of course nothing is the Government’s fault. The crashing of the economy, Brexit catastrophe, Covid deaths, fraud and money blown shambles, Hancock caught grappling with his new/old gf in work. The Barnard Castle wart Cummings driving 100s miles during lockdown to test his eyesight. Food shortages - same everywhere even though the rest of Europe was having to prop up the shelves groaning with produce. Inflation: greedy people wanting a living wage when all the evidence points at govt mismanagement/ Brexit /supply problems. No energy storage: Russia’s fault. Austerity: had to be done. What a bit like Blackadder’s Captain Rum believing he didn’t need a crew when every other captain said you did? No, it was a political assault that had nothing to do with economics.
And so it goes on. As this country has fallen apart, not one aspect is down to them. Blameless. Squeaky clean. Martyr Johnson brought down by people who didn’t understand. So he wasn’t a grasping, stupid, lazy, odious oaf then Their solution is always blame and in the CS they have the perfect target because they loathe the public sector and they know it can’t fight back.
I hate Rees-Mogg and the rest of his crowd. They disgust me. [Post edited 22 Apr 2023 10:42]
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And the other thing about standards, is that it’s laughable for him to say that people expect high standards of them. That’s hilarious. We learnt years ago to not expect anything decent from them. |  |
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