| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? 21:35 - Apr 30 with 7256 views | noggin |
He has no idea about the struggles of ordinary working people, does he? |  |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:17 - May 1 with 1498 views | noggin |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:15 - May 1 by chicoazul |
About 30 grand a year now. |
And that's what you're worth? | |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:19 - May 1 with 1494 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:12 - May 1 by chicoazul |
Most sincerely I do yes. |
Can you define left wing in this context? |  |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:29 - May 1 with 1463 views | chicoazul |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:19 - May 1 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Can you define left wing in this context? |
Egalitarianism
Enormous taxation
Gigantic debts
Stupid infrastructure projects that are hideously expensive
A “quiet war” on privacy and family life
….for instance |  |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:29 - May 1 with 1460 views | chicoazul |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:17 - May 1 by noggin |
And that's what you're worth? |
It’s what I’m prepared to tolerate if that’s what you mean? | |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:30 - May 1 with 1460 views | noggin |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:29 - May 1 by chicoazul |
Egalitarianism
Enormous taxation
Gigantic debts
Stupid infrastructure projects that are hideously expensive
A “quiet war” on privacy and family life
….for instance |
I think you're a little confused. | |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:31 - May 1 with 1458 views | noggin |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:29 - May 1 by chicoazul |
It’s what I’m prepared to tolerate if that’s what you mean? |
No, I'm asking if that's what you're worth. | |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:35 - May 1 with 1439 views | Herbivore |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:12 - May 1 by chicoazul |
Most sincerely I do yes. |
Absolutely batsh!t crazy. |  |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:37 - May 1 with 1437 views | Herbivore |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:29 - May 1 by chicoazul |
Egalitarianism
Enormous taxation
Gigantic debts
Stupid infrastructure projects that are hideously expensive
A “quiet war” on privacy and family life
….for instance |
Only the first of those is left wing and the Tories (and Labour) show no sign whatsoever of trying to bring about greater equality. | |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:39 - May 1 with 1430 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:29 - May 1 by chicoazul |
Egalitarianism
Enormous taxation
Gigantic debts
Stupid infrastructure projects that are hideously expensive
A “quiet war” on privacy and family life
….for instance |
You think this Government is egalitarian? Does that include immigrants, the poor and CEOs?
"Enormous taxation" Wow! I wonder what you think the rest of the developed world is in terms of taxation.
Isn't a liberal approach to privacy and family life left wing rather than a "quiet war" on them (which would be more right wing)?
I will give you the other two as existing but gigantic debts are painted as a left-wing issue by the current party of government. It does not have to be and they have demonstrated it can be an aspect of right wing philosophy just as much. Truss's even more right wing policy was heavily reliant on massively increasing them.
Why would infrastructure projects be specifically left-wing? Plenty of right wing Governments have been known for them. They just tend to celebrate different people. | |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:40 - May 1 with 1421 views | giant_stow |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:12 - May 1 by chicoazul |
Most sincerely I do yes. |
You're not on your own there in fairness - at least half the Telegraph columnists seem to agree that this isn't a 'proper' Tory govt and has become leftyfied. Can't say I agree, but its a view. |  |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:47 - May 1 with 1392 views | chicoazul |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:31 - May 1 by noggin |
No, I'm asking if that's what you're worth. |
It’s impossible to define a persons worth. It’s what I get paid; I accept it. | |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:49 - May 1 with 1387 views | chicoazul |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:37 - May 1 by Herbivore |
Only the first of those is left wing and the Tories (and Labour) show no sign whatsoever of trying to bring about greater equality. |
Hello Herbs.
All of what I have described are left wing of themselves or brought about due to left wing policies. I think you know this. It’s why you get so agitated when I point it out. | |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:53 - May 1 with 1379 views | Herbivore |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:49 - May 1 by chicoazul |
Hello Herbs.
All of what I have described are left wing of themselves or brought about due to left wing policies. I think you know this. It’s why you get so agitated when I point it out. |
Nope. And I'm not agitated, more amused at your political illiteracy. | |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:58 - May 1 with 1351 views | noggin |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:47 - May 1 by chicoazul |
It’s impossible to define a persons worth. It’s what I get paid; I accept it. |
So wealth inequality doesn't bother you? | |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 17:03 - May 1 with 1326 views | Zapers |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:58 - May 1 by noggin |
So wealth inequality doesn't bother you? |
Does it bother you Noggin? You seem mighty concerned about what Chico earns a year. Perhaps better to concentrate more on what you earn. |  | | |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 17:07 - May 1 with 1311 views | noggin |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 17:03 - May 1 by Zapers |
Does it bother you Noggin? You seem mighty concerned about what Chico earns a year. Perhaps better to concentrate more on what you earn. |
I'm ok mate, but I don't live in the UK. If you're happy with increasing wealth inequality, that's fine, just say so. | |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 17:13 - May 1 with 1288 views | factual_blue |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 09:25 - May 1 by noggin |
But refused to back striking workers and banned his colleagues from joining picket lines in their own constituencies. |
There's an interesting argument that says Trades Unions are indeed capitalists.
As Joe Gormley pointed during the 1970s miners' strikes, all his members wanted were a nice car for themselves, and a washing machine for their wives.
Leaving aside the implicit sexism, what could be more capitalist than seeking to gain the fruits of the acquisitive society? |  |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 17:13 - May 1 with 1288 views | JackNorthStand |
Seems a sensible Labour leader to me. Centre left as opposed to far left, speaks well and far more grounded than anything in the Conservative party. | | | |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 17:18 - May 1 with 1263 views | Zapers |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 17:13 - May 1 by JackNorthStand |
Seems a sensible Labour leader to me. Centre left as opposed to far left, speaks well and far more grounded than anything in the Conservative party. |
Far left labour don't do sensible. | | | |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 17:21 - May 1 with 1254 views | chicoazul |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:58 - May 1 by noggin |
So wealth inequality doesn't bother you? |
I don’t think it does particularly no. I’m aware there are some studies that say huge wealth inequality is a bad thing for society but I’m not convinced. | |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 17:22 - May 1 with 1251 views | fabian_illness |
1) Who is Kier Starmer?
2) Will we sign him in the summer? |  | | |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 17:24 - May 1 with 1248 views | giant_stow |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 17:13 - May 1 by factual_blue |
There's an interesting argument that says Trades Unions are indeed capitalists.
As Joe Gormley pointed during the 1970s miners' strikes, all his members wanted were a nice car for themselves, and a washing machine for their wives.
Leaving aside the implicit sexism, what could be more capitalist than seeking to gain the fruits of the acquisitive society? |
Bit of truth to that. No gives a fck about the jobless or 'underclass' right now it seems, perhaps bar the Labour party. | |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 17:25 - May 1 with 1244 views | DJR |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 15:19 - May 1 by chicoazul |
But he’s not wrong is he? You can disagree with the minutiae but the fundamentals of his argument are true. Labour and the Tories are the same. He thinks they’re right wing, I think they’re left wing, but it’s still true. |
Rather unusually for the Tories, Cameron led a government that was relatively socially liberal. It was, however, very right wing economically, and eschewed the Keynsian philosophy of greater Government spending during a recession which would have avoided the mess we are in now (see, for example, https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64970708.amp )
As such, Cameron and Osborne were perfect bedfellows for the Orange Book Liberals such as Clegg and Laws.
And according to someone I know, who is close to someone high up in New Labour circles now an adviser to Sadiq Khan, the Blairites were pretty supportive of Cameron and Osborne.
This to me is proof of the drift of politics rightwards over the last 40 years, with Corbyn being the last hurrah for anything much different. And these days even socially progressive politics are in retreat, with the supposed need to appease the anti-woke.
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 17:33 - May 1 with 1208 views | pointofblue |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 17:22 - May 1 by fabian_illness |
1) Who is Kier Starmer?
2) Will we sign him in the summer? |
He was a potential left winger in his youth but now prefers it on the right. | |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 18:16 - May 1 with 1152 views | Ryorry |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:40 - May 1 by giant_stow |
You're not on your own there in fairness - at least half the Telegraph columnists seem to agree that this isn't a 'proper' Tory govt and has become leftyfied. Can't say I agree, but its a view. |
An absolutely ridiculous one. But then the Torygraph has become a ridiculous, risible tabloid that's now arguably even worse than the Shun. |  |
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