| The housing crisis - build new villages or small towns? 14:50 - May 17 with 9442 views | GavTWTD |
I feel that we're not looking at the housing crisis in the right way. Nimbyism is preventing housebuilding to the scale we need, so why don't we build a few large villages per rural county? I've not done the maths on this. It's just an idea, but get a (good) town planner in and develop some lower value farmland.
Get the town planner to insist on some architectural standards across the village, including green and insulation and styles, social housing etc. Get high speed broadband into every house. Stick a wind turbine up for local use, a pub/shop or more facilities, and inject money into local schools and health services. Create green spaces in the village, some stone bridges or whatever and don't make a concrete jungle, but something designed holistically from the ground up.
I don't know about land values, but perhaps the farmland could be bought reasonably cheaply, given that it only has one use currently. Then the land could be sold to developers at a commercial rates to fund local infrastructure improvements or social housing. Provision could be given to local farmers to sell land at a later date at commercial rates that skirt the village.
Anyway, this isn't in my manifesto, just something for discussion at the next conference. |  |
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| The housing crisis - build new villages or small towns? on 09:54 - May 18 with 1563 views | itfcjoe |
| The housing crisis - build new villages or small towns? on 09:02 - May 18 by StokieBlue |
Wouldn't it be even better to create a nationalised housebuilder?
- Apprenticeships in all building crafts
- Degree level positions in design, finance, logistics
- Run as a non-for-profit with cheaper houses or profits reinvested
- More social housing provisions alongside private purchases
It would also force developers to reduce their margins and thus slow some of the rising prices.
The above should also be done for green energy, absolutely no reason why the UK should be purchasing wind turbines from Denmark or Norway.
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That's what I assumed I'd meant with what I'd said - but yes totally agree with all that....although may not be necessary to make them cheaper as a not for profit because the market should naturally find it's own level if the supply can be loaded up without creating two tiers of house ownership*
i.e. like the social housing sector now - where if yiu get a council house opposed to one through a private landlord you have opportunities like RTB which will take you into a different stratosphere financially. |  |
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| The housing crisis - build new villages or small towns? on 10:13 - May 18 with 1522 views | Ryorry |
| The housing crisis - build new villages or small towns? on 09:09 - May 18 by bluestandard |
Woah there! I fear this is getting personal when it really doesn't need to be. I hear your opinion, and respect it. I have mine. I'll leave it there. |
Yes, sure, but that’s because it being “personal” to each individual, and that it does need to be, is exactly what you were missing!
In the 1970s, I went to a lecture on life behind the iron curtain in East Germany from a man who’d lived there for a number of years. Your theoretical planning to move people to where you think they should live, in the interests of the state, rather reminded me of that I’m afraid!
Just build (or renovate) more social housing, in accordance with need, as has already been said multiple times. |  |
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| The housing crisis - build new villages or small towns? on 10:23 - May 18 with 1507 views | Ryorry |
| The housing crisis - build new villages or small towns? on 08:49 - May 18 by chicoazul |
Boomer generation selfishness and stupidity in a nutshell. |
Chico ignorance + stupidly generalising in a sentence. | |
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| The housing crisis - build new villages or small towns? on 10:32 - May 18 with 1499 views | WeWereZombies |
| The housing crisis - build new villages or small towns? on 08:49 - May 18 by chicoazul |
Boomer generation selfishness and stupidity in a nutshell. |
Millennial use of a word that no one else has used this decade as usual... |  |
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| The housing crisis - build new villages or small towns? on 10:42 - May 18 with 1485 views | Pinewoodblue |
| The housing crisis - build new villages or small towns? on 08:56 - May 18 by itfcjoe |
It needs UK Plc to stop selling land to developers and letting them sit on it - a wide ranging skills programme to develop 'our own' people with the necessary skills to build houses from start to finish.
Would be a boon for the economy, would upskill areas of the population that likely need it and work towards levelling up, a lot of people will inevitably leave to go into private sector once qualified and so a nice natural clearance to allow more into training.
Old MoD sites, brownfield sites, etc - so much can be done but needs the will to do it and not just to palm it off to developers to control the market |
Large developments are taking far too long to reach completion. Almost as if the developer is drip feeding the market to achieve the highest possible return.
According latest ONS paper 13% of the population live alone and make up 30% of total households, a contributory factor with regards to housing shortages. Need to pair a few off but don’t have any idea how to go about it.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/fam [Post edited 18 May 2023 11:02]
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| The housing crisis - build new villages or small towns? on 10:56 - May 18 with 1468 views | Ryorry |
| The housing crisis - build new villages or small towns? on 21:17 - May 17 by NthQldITFC |
Fking 'developers' are always agreeing to provide services and affordable housing and they never do it and they never get punished for it because it's all a great big corrupt scam and they're all a bunch of... anchors.
It seems like the figures suggest we 'need' more than one new house per person based on population increase which is obscene - is that for second, unoccupied houses or for overseas 'investors' or what? - I must admit I haven't checked these figures because the whole thing depresses me too much. You can't reverse the destruction which is being done at the moment because we're too stupid to be humble while our world is destroyed by our greed. |
Entirely agree with your first paragraph.
The increase in demand you mention is, I’m guessing, largely due to backlog and also rising divorce/separation rates, as well as some second-homing, the last being quite scandalous in some locations. | |
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| The housing crisis - build new villages or small towns? on 11:06 - May 18 with 1439 views | lowhouseblue |
villages aren't terribly sustainable. they have low density (which makes cost higher and broad energy efficiency harder to achieve), they have high land use per person, they assume high per capita travel. there has to be a critical mass in terms of having everything people need /want within easy reach - work, social facilities, schools, hospitals, retail, entertainment etc, and all of that in sufficient variety. you need very dense conurbations to provide all that within walking / cycling distance. sustainable new build makes much more sense in cities / large towns - and it needs to be much denser than we are used to. you need district heating for example. achieving that sort of global energy efficiency is 100 x harder in small settlements. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| The housing crisis - build new villages or small towns? on 11:18 - May 18 with 1395 views | leitrimblue |
My parents have a 3 bedroom council house in Haverhill that they have rented for the last 40 odd years. There now only the 2 of um living there and they have been on some kinda list to swap it for a smaller house preferably near to my sister in Clare, but have had no interest in over 5 years. |  | | |
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| The housing crisis - build new villages or small towns? on 11:20 - May 18 with 1376 views | brazil1982 |
The recent development next to Whitton Utd / old bakery site, is that social / council rentals? Who built them?
I've looked at Henley Gate development and it's £290k for a two bed house with little parking and a tiny garden.
New affordable housing / council housing being developed on Holbrook Road: "The designs include sustainable energy, as well as good sized gardens, generous landscaping, ample parking, and a new play area." which is encouraging.
The fashion also seems to build no garages, although I think most people don't use these for parking their huge cars now. Parking near my cousin's in that development off Sproughton Road is ridiculous. |  | | |
| The housing crisis - build new villages or small towns? on 11:27 - May 18 with 1344 views | J2BLUE |
| The housing crisis - build new villages or small towns? on 08:49 - May 18 by chicoazul |
Boomer generation selfishness and stupidity in a nutshell. |
What a pathetic, stupid, ignorant comment.
You used to be more than poundland shock value. |  |
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| The housing crisis - build new villages or small towns? on 11:29 - May 18 with 1336 views | Ryorry |
| The housing crisis - build new villages or small towns? on 11:06 - May 18 by lowhouseblue |
villages aren't terribly sustainable. they have low density (which makes cost higher and broad energy efficiency harder to achieve), they have high land use per person, they assume high per capita travel. there has to be a critical mass in terms of having everything people need /want within easy reach - work, social facilities, schools, hospitals, retail, entertainment etc, and all of that in sufficient variety. you need very dense conurbations to provide all that within walking / cycling distance. sustainable new build makes much more sense in cities / large towns - and it needs to be much denser than we are used to. you need district heating for example. achieving that sort of global energy efficiency is 100 x harder in small settlements. |
We need farmers, growers, forestry workers, conservationists, tourism & other rural industries essential to the UK economy, food security & renewable energy - living where they are working is in many cases essential.
TWTD is sometimes alarmingly full of theories from city/town dwellers who have no idea of the realities of rural life, or who haven't thought their ideas through in practical terms (not singling you out personally Lowie). | |
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| The housing crisis - build new villages or small towns? on 11:36 - May 18 with 1293 views | lowhouseblue |
| The housing crisis - build new villages or small towns? on 11:29 - May 18 by Ryorry |
We need farmers, growers, forestry workers, conservationists, tourism & other rural industries essential to the UK economy, food security & renewable energy - living where they are working is in many cases essential.
TWTD is sometimes alarmingly full of theories from city/town dwellers who have no idea of the realities of rural life, or who haven't thought their ideas through in practical terms (not singling you out personally Lowie). |
yes indeed, people who work in the countryside need to live there. my point is that in terms of a planning strategy to solve the national housing crisis cities are much more sustainable than new build villages. but they're not the place for people who work in the countryside. in terms of providing additional housing for people who need it in rural areas, again, adding to existing towns is much more sustainable than new build villages. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| The housing crisis - build new villages or small towns? on 11:39 - May 18 with 1277 views | Ryorry |
| The housing crisis - build new villages or small towns? on 09:32 - May 18 by chicoazul |
So what’s the end to this then? Another poster explained the population of the UK grows year on year. So we just build ever more and more houses? Where? Who will build them, who will pay for the associated infrastructure? How will we cope with the carbon cost we incur?
Everybody says they want change; nobody wants to be the one to change. Nobody wants to feel a little pain or discomfort. I paid my taxes I did my bit I should be able to have what I want. That’s why we get the governments we do. |
Read the links, & BlueBoots' reply -
"The housing crisis - build new villages or small towns? on 20:31 - May 17 by Ryorry
Sadly, not enough people are aware of this, my fav charity, who are the only housing charity I'm aware of which, to deal with the problem, actually builds and renovates new and old houses/buildings instead of just talking & campaigning forever for others to build/renovate them ...
https://www.habitatforhumanity.org.uk/what-we-do/"
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"The housing crisis - build new villages or small towns? on 08:37 - May 18 with 163 views - reply by BlueBoots -
Looking at their website, the majority of their work is carried out in the developing world (and rightly so) I find the fact that they have this page on their website too...
https://www.habitatforhumanity.org.uk/our-work-in-gb/
...simultaneously encouraging and disturbing. Encouraging as they're clearly doing fantastic work, but disturbing as this is something that should be pushed through at every opportunity by local authorities and preferably government driven with policy and incentives (never going to happen, because, as others have mentioned, there's more crony money to be made out of new large scale property development, and lower cost alternatives aren't as attractive)
Think I'll probably add embarrassing to disturbing that this is being driven by a charity that helps countries suffering from poverty." | |
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