| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 11:58 - Jun 27 with 1215 views | positivity |
| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 11:52 - Jun 27 by Herbivore |
A vote for Labour at this point also looks like a vote for right wingers though. |
if you take the socialist workers as your centre point then it probably is, but it doesn't meet the traditional definition of right-wing, nor are they anywhere near as right-wing as the tories.
could you see a john mcdonnell, an eddie izzard, an angela rayner joining the conservative party? they're voting labour and so am i, and so is anyone who wants to see an end to the tories decade(s) of misrule and denigration of the nhs |  |
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| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 12:00 - Jun 27 with 1192 views | positivity |
| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 11:57 - Jun 27 by Darth_Koont |
What’s pragmatic about voting for an “alternative” that offers no actual alternatives? And for another dodgy leader that has lied as much as Johnson but with a nasty authoritarian streak thrown in?
What real-world problems do you think you’re addressing here? It’s just endless empty platitudes with zero sense of responsibility. |
the usual kneejerk smeary response i expect from you, join paz and elephant on the div list | |
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| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 12:10 - Jun 27 with 1160 views | Herbivore |
| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 11:58 - Jun 27 by positivity |
if you take the socialist workers as your centre point then it probably is, but it doesn't meet the traditional definition of right-wing, nor are they anywhere near as right-wing as the tories.
could you see a john mcdonnell, an eddie izzard, an angela rayner joining the conservative party? they're voting labour and so am i, and so is anyone who wants to see an end to the tories decade(s) of misrule and denigration of the nhs |
That's equivalent to suggesting that because there are migrants and descendants of migrants in the Tory party that the Tories don't have an anti-immigration stance. Just because there's a few leftists that haven't left or been forced out of the Labour party yet does not mean that Labour are in any way left wing. The very best case you could make for them is that they are economically centre right and socially centrist but they seem to be drifting ever rightward in both respects. There really isn't anything progressive coming from them currently. |  |
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| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 12:11 - Jun 27 with 1155 views | giant_stow |
| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 11:52 - Jun 27 by Herbivore |
A vote for Labour at this point also looks like a vote for right wingers though. |
But what do you do though? Vote Green and let the Tories back in? |  |
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| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 12:25 - Jun 27 with 1106 views | Darth_Koont |
| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 11:58 - Jun 27 by positivity |
if you take the socialist workers as your centre point then it probably is, but it doesn't meet the traditional definition of right-wing, nor are they anywhere near as right-wing as the tories.
could you see a john mcdonnell, an eddie izzard, an angela rayner joining the conservative party? they're voting labour and so am i, and so is anyone who wants to see an end to the tories decade(s) of misrule and denigration of the nhs |
The Labour right that has a stranglehold on the Labour Party now is EASILY as right wing as the Tories.
People with a vested interest in the Labour Party may choose to fight that from within and think that their time will come again. Personally, I don’t think the people of the UK can or should wait for that distant possibility.
Your belief that everything will be better once we rearrange the deckchairs is naive to say the least. We need solutions to actual long-standing problems that have emerged from the narrow political and economic consensus over several decades, not more of the same. |  |
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| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 12:28 - Jun 27 with 1107 views | positivity |
| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 12:10 - Jun 27 by Herbivore |
That's equivalent to suggesting that because there are migrants and descendants of migrants in the Tory party that the Tories don't have an anti-immigration stance. Just because there's a few leftists that haven't left or been forced out of the Labour party yet does not mean that Labour are in any way left wing. The very best case you could make for them is that they are economically centre right and socially centrist but they seem to be drifting ever rightward in both respects. There really isn't anything progressive coming from them currently. |
there's a lot more progressive stuff coming from them than the tories, that's why all those and thousands of other "leftists" will be voting for labour.
like me, they're under no illusions that labour are (or ever were) perfect, but they know that they're far better than any credible alternative | |
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| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 12:30 - Jun 27 with 1102 views | ElderGrizzly |
They are simply trying to avoid the Tories throwing the "overspending Labour" tag at them.
Advice has always been taken and then adjusted it in some way. It's not even a news story. |  | | |
| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 12:32 - Jun 27 with 1092 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 12:25 - Jun 27 by Darth_Koont |
The Labour right that has a stranglehold on the Labour Party now is EASILY as right wing as the Tories.
People with a vested interest in the Labour Party may choose to fight that from within and think that their time will come again. Personally, I don’t think the people of the UK can or should wait for that distant possibility.
Your belief that everything will be better once we rearrange the deckchairs is naive to say the least. We need solutions to actual long-standing problems that have emerged from the narrow political and economic consensus over several decades, not more of the same. |
"The Labour right that has a stranglehold on the Labour Party now is EASILY as right wing as the Tories."
It clearly isn't. Why even write stuff like this?
Braverman and her merry band are much further right than anything in the Labour party. | | | |
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| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 12:34 - Jun 27 with 1067 views | Darth_Koont |
| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 12:11 - Jun 27 by giant_stow |
But what do you do though? Vote Green and let the Tories back in? |
Your vote rarely matters. If it does, vote for the best candidate. Otherwise ...
Protest.
Riot.
Don’t vote.
Vote Green.
Vote SNP.
Talk to people.
Make your voice heard.
But if you hate the Tories and right-wing politics you can’t meekly accept the re-badged version that Labour has become. | |
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| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 12:39 - Jun 27 with 1067 views | chicoazul |
| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 11:50 - Jun 27 by positivity |
i'll downvote posters who automatically post tiresome negativity to every credible alternative to the current government who are destroying our nhs, our public health, our environment. that's been you incessantly since corbyn stepped down. from your posting history you seem to have far more hate towards centre-left, centre etc far more than you hate the right. that's a dangerous position to be in
those who are more thoughtful and pragmatic and insightful (djr being an example that springs to mind), i'm always happy to listen to, even if i don't always agree
i expect labour in power to be a lot better than the tories and a lot worse than perfect, whether they're led by starmer or corbyn or anyone.
vote often and vote wisely, or enable the right-wingers. fascists always turn out to vote, then they deny others the opportunity.
love, pos xx |
They aren’t an alternative, that’s literally the point. Sure I and many others disagree about the detail of this but the fundamental is true, both parties are the same. |  |
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| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 12:40 - Jun 27 with 1065 views | chicoazul |
| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 11:58 - Jun 27 by positivity |
if you take the socialist workers as your centre point then it probably is, but it doesn't meet the traditional definition of right-wing, nor are they anywhere near as right-wing as the tories.
could you see a john mcdonnell, an eddie izzard, an angela rayner joining the conservative party? they're voting labour and so am i, and so is anyone who wants to see an end to the tories decade(s) of misrule and denigration of the nhs |
No true Scotsman | |
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| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 12:40 - Jun 27 with 1063 views | Herbivore |
| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 12:28 - Jun 27 by positivity |
there's a lot more progressive stuff coming from them than the tories, that's why all those and thousands of other "leftists" will be voting for labour.
like me, they're under no illusions that labour are (or ever were) perfect, but they know that they're far better than any credible alternative |
What progressive stuff is coming from them? The green energy company was a nice idea but they've gone pretty quiet on that. What other progressive stances are they taking? They haven't even confirmed that they'd undo a lot of the damaging anti immigration policies, FFS. [Post edited 27 Jun 2023 12:41]
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| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 12:41 - Jun 27 with 1058 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 11:52 - Jun 27 by Herbivore |
A vote for Labour at this point also looks like a vote for right wingers though. |
Perhaps it is a question of getting Turkeys to vote for Christmas. |  |
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| Will you come into my parlour said the spider to the fly on 12:51 - Jun 27 with 1044 views | Pinewoodblue |
Written approaching two hundred years ago but relates to Labour’s approach that they are a safe option.
Edit Boris did much the same at the last election. [Post edited 27 Jun 2023 12:53]
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| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 12:54 - Jun 27 with 1038 views | positivity |
| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 12:40 - Jun 27 by Herbivore |
What progressive stuff is coming from them? The green energy company was a nice idea but they've gone pretty quiet on that. What other progressive stances are they taking? They haven't even confirmed that they'd undo a lot of the damaging anti immigration policies, FFS. [Post edited 27 Jun 2023 12:41]
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where are the alternative to labour more progressive? can't see anything from the tories more progressive than these:-
https://labourlist.org/2023/05/labour-manifesto-2024-election-what-policies-npf- | |
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| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 13:06 - Jun 27 with 1004 views | Herbivore |
That doesn't answer my question, but that's expected. If you are content with a Labour party that is not prepared to put clear water between itself and the Tories on a range of key issues then that's your prerogative. I'm increasingly feeling like I can't, in good conscience, vote for this version of the Labour party because their politics does not represent me. | |
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| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 13:08 - Jun 27 with 999 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 12:32 - Jun 27 by ElderGrizzly |
"The Labour right that has a stranglehold on the Labour Party now is EASILY as right wing as the Tories."
It clearly isn't. Why even write stuff like this?
Braverman and her merry band are much further right than anything in the Labour party. |
Translated as: “he was mean to Jeremy” | | | |
| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 13:12 - Jun 27 with 988 views | Darth_Koont |
| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 12:32 - Jun 27 by ElderGrizzly |
"The Labour right that has a stranglehold on the Labour Party now is EASILY as right wing as the Tories."
It clearly isn't. Why even write stuff like this?
Braverman and her merry band are much further right than anything in the Labour party. |
I agree that Braverman and others are publicly loopier and more likely to push right-wing rhetoric. But in practical terms Labour’s right-wingers are happy proposing the same policies.
What positions have Labour taken that are different? We already know they’re happy going even further right on tax and spending but where are they pitching to the left? | |
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| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 13:23 - Jun 27 with 964 views | Darth_Koont |
| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 13:08 - Jun 27 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Translated as: “he was mean to Jeremy” |
That feels a lot like projection.
It was never about Corbyn for me. But actual policy solutions to long-ignored problems facing the UK economy and society. Of course, I defended Corbyn from the lamentable and largely fantasy attacks that resulted from a leader and major party actually promising change.
I even said Starmer’s leadership platform was a positive step forward. My despair is based on him dishonestly trashing the lot and reverting to the same sleepwalking, right-leaning politics that have brought the UK to its present state.
But I’m guessing you won’t see this from the perspective of real-world problems and solutions. Safer to pretend that there was some bizarre cult at play. | |
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| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 13:24 - Jun 27 with 971 views | positivity |
| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 13:06 - Jun 27 by Herbivore |
That doesn't answer my question, but that's expected. If you are content with a Labour party that is not prepared to put clear water between itself and the Tories on a range of key issues then that's your prerogative. I'm increasingly feeling like I can't, in good conscience, vote for this version of the Labour party because their politics does not represent me. |
there's plenty of clear water in there, have a read.
if there's really nothing in there that appeals to you more than a tory policy, then you might as well enable the tories with a protest vote. my conscience wouldn't allow me to do that | |
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| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 13:26 - Jun 27 with 968 views | lowhouseblue |
| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 12:34 - Jun 27 by Darth_Koont |
Your vote rarely matters. If it does, vote for the best candidate. Otherwise ...
Protest.
Riot.
Don’t vote.
Vote Green.
Vote SNP.
Talk to people.
Make your voice heard.
But if you hate the Tories and right-wing politics you can’t meekly accept the re-badged version that Labour has become. |
can you riot on the internet? it would involve you being outside you know. plus it will probably need there to be more than one of you. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 13:27 - Jun 27 with 967 views | positivity |
| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 12:32 - Jun 27 by ElderGrizzly |
"The Labour right that has a stranglehold on the Labour Party now is EASILY as right wing as the Tories."
It clearly isn't. Why even write stuff like this?
Braverman and her merry band are much further right than anything in the Labour party. |
the poor lad is so far down the conspiracy rabbithole, i expect to see him pop up in q-anon within months. very odd behaviour! | |
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| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 13:28 - Jun 27 with 964 views | positivity |
| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 13:26 - Jun 27 by lowhouseblue |
can you riot on the internet? it would involve you being outside you know. plus it will probably need there to be more than one of you. |
don't underestimate the guy, i'm sure he could start a riot with himself. his views change daily depending on the latest propaganda that he's fed! | |
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| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 13:32 - Jun 27 with 955 views | Darth_Koont |
All that like the 28 billion in green investment has been shelved by the “iron-clad fiscal rules” mantra.
Labour are utterly committed to low tax and low spend, expecting private enterprise, poorer workers/households and “technology” to fill the yawning gaps. It’s just doubling down on the same failed growth model, no doubt blaming immigrants and “the left” when it fails to bear fruit for anyone but established interests. | |
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| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 13:34 - Jun 27 with 950 views | Darth_Koont |
| Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Labour do seem quite close to the Tories on 13:28 - Jun 27 by positivity |
don't underestimate the guy, i'm sure he could start a riot with himself. his views change daily depending on the latest propaganda that he's fed! |
Eh? | |
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