| If it is Hirst 16:44 - Jul 11 with 9435 views | Bobsthename |
What do we reckon 5 mil plus add ons?
Wonder what Leicester wanted. |  | | |  |
| If it is Hirst on 17:51 - Jul 11 with 3031 views | BiGDonnie |
| If it is Hirst on 17:03 - Jul 11 by itfcjoe |
Somewhere like £1.5m rising to £2.5m with another £1m on top of we go up |
Bargain if that's the case. |  |
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| If it is Hirst on 18:02 - Jul 11 with 2959 views | EastTownBlue |
I reckon a couple of hundred … more times I’ll watch that goal at Barnsley. | | | |
| If it is Hirst on 18:35 - Jul 11 with 2822 views | BlueNomad |
We will never know |  | | |
| If it is Hirst on 19:49 - Jul 11 with 2610 views | TalkingBlues |
| If it is Hirst on 16:50 - Jul 11 by FrimleyBlue |
2 mill plus add ons. |
£4 million plus add ons is the number being touted 😬 |  |
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| If it is Hirst on 19:55 - Jul 11 with 2555 views | jayessess |
| If it is Hirst on 19:49 - Jul 11 by TalkingBlues |
£4 million plus add ons is the number being touted 😬 |
If it were that (and I doubt it), then they'd have absolutely had our pants down. [Post edited 11 Jul 2023 20:03]
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| If it is Hirst on 20:01 - Jul 11 with 2486 views | chicoazul |
| If it is Hirst on 17:03 - Jul 11 by itfcjoe |
Somewhere like £1.5m rising to £2.5m with another £1m on top of we go up |
Amazing business if true. |  |
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| If it is Hirst on 20:03 - Jul 11 with 2445 views | burnbudgiesburn |
| If it is Hirst on 19:55 - Jul 11 by jayessess |
If it were that (and I doubt it), then they'd have absolutely had our pants down. [Post edited 11 Jul 2023 20:03]
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More likely 4m including extras/sell on etc, so likely 2.5m upfront
The only places i've seen 4m quoted are 2 random tweeters. | | | |
| If it is Hirst on 20:07 - Jul 11 with 2394 views | jayessess |
| If it is Hirst on 20:03 - Jul 11 by burnbudgiesburn |
More likely 4m including extras/sell on etc, so likely 2.5m upfront
The only places i've seen 4m quoted are 2 random tweeters. |
I could see "rising to £4m", for sure.
£4m up front? When Swansea are paying £2.5m for Yates and Coventry £3.5m up front for Simms. Nah, mate. | |
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| If it is Hirst on 20:17 - Jul 11 with 2312 views | JDB23 |
| If it is Hirst on 17:12 - Jul 11 by StokieBlue |
950k?
You can't buy a League One striker whilst in League One for that much. We wouldn't sell Ladapo for that much, we got 500k+ for Simpson.
We don't get a discount just because we are Ipswich.
I obviously hope I am wrong of course.
SB [Post edited 11 Jul 2023 17:15]
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Charlton just bought a 2 seasons in a row 20+ goal scorer for about £300k.
I know there are some mad figures flying about but some of this speculation is getting a bit silly now. Swansea are getting Yates for around £2.5-3m, can we really say Hirst is worth similar? | | | |
| If it is Hirst on 20:37 - Jul 11 with 2220 views | itfcjoe |
| If it is Hirst on 17:06 - Jul 11 by StokieBlue |
Can you outline what that is based on?
It's no more than we paid for Broadhead whilst a League One side and this is a Champ side buying a striker.
Would be a cracking deal at that price.
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Just think age profile, 2 'failures' in the Championship, absolutely miles off it at Leicester who are in this division
Jerry Yates just got 20+ in league 1, followed by 8 then 14 in the Champ and is going for a couple of million where Blackpool don't want to sell him
Broadhead was £1.5m when he was doing well enough in the Champ for a poor side at a time when Everton needed the cash desperately so just were getting shot of what they could.
If Sims is £3.5m up front (and we reportedly thought that was way too high) I can't see that we'd be anywhere near that sort of figure for Hirst
Age at start of season - Competition - total 90s - total 90s
Simms
19 - L1 - 15.0 - 8
20 - SPL - 12.5 - 5
21 Champ - 12.5 - 7
21 PL - 2.5 - 1
Hirst
19 - Belgian 2nd tier - 14.3 - 3
20 - Nothing
21 - Champ - 7.6 - 0
22 - L1 - 26.9 - 13
23 - Champ - 3.1 - 0
23 - L1 - 12.2 - 6
It's not just purely about goals, because more to game, but big fees are for goalscorers and Simms has proven he can be one of them at higher levels at a younger age than Hirst |  |
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| If it is Hirst on 21:24 - Jul 11 with 2061 views | TalkingBlues |
| If it is Hirst on 19:55 - Jul 11 by jayessess |
If it were that (and I doubt it), then they'd have absolutely had our pants down. [Post edited 11 Jul 2023 20:03]
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Yep, you’d like to think that was a number including any add ons in the future.
Simms doesn’t look expensive if it costs us £4 million for Hirst. | |
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| If it is Hirst on 23:33 - Jul 11 with 1803 views | StokieBlue |
| If it is Hirst on 20:37 - Jul 11 by itfcjoe |
Just think age profile, 2 'failures' in the Championship, absolutely miles off it at Leicester who are in this division
Jerry Yates just got 20+ in league 1, followed by 8 then 14 in the Champ and is going for a couple of million where Blackpool don't want to sell him
Broadhead was £1.5m when he was doing well enough in the Champ for a poor side at a time when Everton needed the cash desperately so just were getting shot of what they could.
If Sims is £3.5m up front (and we reportedly thought that was way too high) I can't see that we'd be anywhere near that sort of figure for Hirst
Age at start of season - Competition - total 90s - total 90s
Simms
19 - L1 - 15.0 - 8
20 - SPL - 12.5 - 5
21 Champ - 12.5 - 7
21 PL - 2.5 - 1
Hirst
19 - Belgian 2nd tier - 14.3 - 3
20 - Nothing
21 - Champ - 7.6 - 0
22 - L1 - 26.9 - 13
23 - Champ - 3.1 - 0
23 - L1 - 12.2 - 6
It's not just purely about goals, because more to game, but big fees are for goalscorers and Simms has proven he can be one of them at higher levels at a younger age than Hirst |
Thanks.
However it's all dependent on the "if Simms is 3.5m" which I can't seem to see as confirmed anywhere and seems unlikely given we were rumoured to be in that ballpark for him. In fact most articles put it quite a bit higher than that. Can you source a reliable article with that figure please?
Everything else doesn't matter if that figure isn't correct.
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| If it is Hirst on 23:34 - Jul 11 with 1801 views | J2BLUE |
| If it is Hirst on 17:09 - Jul 11 by CityBlue |
His true cash value is probably about £950k with potential for an add on.
In todays climate though and knowing the position we are in, they can push for £2.5m total package.
He didn't feature in either half yesterday for Leicester which makes me think he was probably here having medical (that last piece is wishful thinking). |
Meanwhile, back on Earth... |  |
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| If it is Hirst on 00:38 - Jul 12 with 1707 views | ReusersTown |
| If it is Hirst on 17:51 - Jul 11 by BiGDonnie |
Bargain if that's the case. |
Seems about his value to me, looking at all the factors. No doubt he is useful for us and may have a great season and be worth a lot more. But looking at the raw information from a market perspective wouldn't really he a bargain. We seem to be getting carried away with what we think he might do for us estimating an inflated price based on that, but in reality shouldn't really be the case. | | | |
| If it is Hirst on 01:03 - Jul 12 with 1672 views | StokieBlue |
| If it is Hirst on 00:38 - Jul 12 by ReusersTown |
Seems about his value to me, looking at all the factors. No doubt he is useful for us and may have a great season and be worth a lot more. But looking at the raw information from a market perspective wouldn't really he a bargain. We seem to be getting carried away with what we think he might do for us estimating an inflated price based on that, but in reality shouldn't really be the case. |
Yet a PL team gave him a new contract last season on a very decent wage.
How many players on 20k+ a week do you see moving for 1.5m?
I'd love it to be true but your "raw information" seems to exclude the realities of contracts and football.
Guess we will find out soon enough but I think there may need to be a reality check with some of our fans. Let's not forget, we just paid 1.5m for a League One midfielder with only a year left on his contract. That didn't seem to raise an eyebrow yet valuations for Hirst are all over the place.
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| If it is Hirst on 03:36 - Jul 12 with 1573 views | Vegtablue |
| If it is Hirst on 01:03 - Jul 12 by StokieBlue |
Yet a PL team gave him a new contract last season on a very decent wage.
How many players on 20k+ a week do you see moving for 1.5m?
I'd love it to be true but your "raw information" seems to exclude the realities of contracts and football.
Guess we will find out soon enough but I think there may need to be a reality check with some of our fans. Let's not forget, we just paid 1.5m for a League One midfielder with only a year left on his contract. That didn't seem to raise an eyebrow yet valuations for Hirst are all over the place.
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Do we know his wages are that high? In the event they are I'd suggest it's further reason for Leicester to want to do the deal. We've recently paid players off in similar circumstances because no buyer could be found for them, so they may consider themselves fortunate for the interest.
Hirst's experiences in the Championship have been quite hideous. Rotherham used him as a bit-part player throughout his loan season when he was 21/22; he finished with zero goal contributions in 31 cameos and Rotherham weren't good enough for the division. He followed this with a positive season in L1 before another bitterly disappointing Championship outing for Blackburn. He managed zero goal contributions again and the loan was terminated early.
Simms had a half-season scoring goals in the Championship and recent PL minutes, where he scored one excellent goal against Chelsea. Yates had 18 goal contributions in the Championship last season for a relegated side, building on two good prior seasons. Hirst today compares very poorly to both: surely nobody outside Ipswich will be grouping these three names together? We've seen a player suited to our style and a couple of standout performances, but his 6 goals in 21 appearances is unlikely to have convinced our rivals to forget his Championship form and bid 7 figures for the man. Leicester's objectives are the same as ours now (albeit with a more pressing timeframe) and they have no use for him.
I don't mean to appear negative about the signing - I believe Hirst is capable of proving himself in the 2nd tier this season and am happy he's returning home - just pointing out, like a couple of others, why the 'going rate' for Championship strikers this summer shouldn't apply. And if Leicester were to try to attract a loan move to a bottom half Championship team and history repeated, well it isn't a sensible risk for a club that doesn't trust him in this league themselves. He'd be unsellable to anyone at this level. | | | |
| If it is Hirst on 06:44 - Jul 12 with 1488 views | hunty21 |
| If it is Hirst on 17:48 - Jul 11 by BloomBlue |
We missed out on Simms, maybe Ashton has started to get desperate, if yes he'll have to overpay, 4million I'm guessing. |
Do you know how transfers work there will be transfers on pipeline waiting for clubs to give greenliggt or find replacement as in hirst where swansea sold pinroe and yates gone to swansea | | | |
| If it is Hirst on 08:42 - Jul 12 with 1332 views | tractordownsouth |
| If it is Hirst on 01:03 - Jul 12 by StokieBlue |
Yet a PL team gave him a new contract last season on a very decent wage.
How many players on 20k+ a week do you see moving for 1.5m?
I'd love it to be true but your "raw information" seems to exclude the realities of contracts and football.
Guess we will find out soon enough but I think there may need to be a reality check with some of our fans. Let's not forget, we just paid 1.5m for a League One midfielder with only a year left on his contract. That didn't seem to raise an eyebrow yet valuations for Hirst are all over the place.
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I think Leicester's relegation does little to change the value. Assuming he had a relegation wage clause he won't be on 20k anymore, which in theory should make the fee more expensive but now they're not a Premier League club their asking price will go down, so those two things added together probably make it cost neutral.
Difficult to tell what is the going rate for strikers at the moment. Hirst is far less proven than Yates, although he's nearly three years younger. Obviously the Simms deal distorts the market a bit but I think that was a unique case with Gyokeres leaving for £20m.
Maybe a £2m initial fee with some significant add-ons. I don't think many other clubs will be after him so don't see a bidding war taking places. |  |
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| If it is Hirst on 10:04 - Jul 12 with 1205 views | ReusersTown |
| If it is Hirst on 01:03 - Jul 12 by StokieBlue |
Yet a PL team gave him a new contract last season on a very decent wage.
How many players on 20k+ a week do you see moving for 1.5m?
I'd love it to be true but your "raw information" seems to exclude the realities of contracts and football.
Guess we will find out soon enough but I think there may need to be a reality check with some of our fans. Let's not forget, we just paid 1.5m for a League One midfielder with only a year left on his contract. That didn't seem to raise an eyebrow yet valuations for Hirst are all over the place.
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The new contract was an act of asset protection to stop him leaving for free after a decent season in league one, with them hoping he could do it in the Championship, and they would recoup £5-6m.
You would expect his wages to have come down significantly with relegation, if they would even be a factor in his price.
To all intents and purposes in terms of performance to date Hirst is just a good league 1 striker, having never been a success or even scored in the Championship. So yes I would be hoping we are looking in that ballpark, as it seems like a logical price not these random inflated figures that are being thrown around for the sake of drama. | | | |
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