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Ukraine are fighting Russia on their own soil and in doing so they are highlighting Russian weakesses and more importantly stopping the war from expanding west and escalating into a much bigger and deadly conflict. The Defence Secretary Ben Wallace recognises this and wants gratitude shown. To us that is for allowing The Ukraine to take the brunt of Putin. This whole government are a bunch of men's private parts.
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They just keep on giving. on 22:09 - Jul 12 with 2223 views
They just keep on giving. on 06:35 - Jul 13 by Lord_Lucan
What did I invent?
Curious.
You did describe the World's second largest and second most populous continent as 'mostly a basket case'. Not a great look and a probable indication that you haven't spent much time there.
They just keep on giving. on 06:42 - Jul 13 by WeWereZombies
You did describe the World's second largest and second most populous continent as 'mostly a basket case'. Not a great look and a probable indication that you haven't spent much time there.
I was there a couple of months ago mate.
Oh, and anyone that says “Not a good look” is a bit of a tosser.
IMHO of course.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
They just keep on giving. on 06:44 - Jul 13 by Lord_Lucan
I was there a couple of months ago mate.
Oh, and anyone that says “Not a good look” is a bit of a tosser.
IMHO of course.
Well done, you have described a continent of fifty four sovereign states as the place you were in a couple of months ago. A bit like someone who goes to Manchester on a rainy weekend and says it always rains there...or makes an assessment of someone's character because they suffer a minor criticism of their own.
They just keep on giving. on 06:59 - Jul 13 by WeWereZombies
Well done, you have described a continent of fifty four sovereign states as the place you were in a couple of months ago. A bit like someone who goes to Manchester on a rainy weekend and says it always rains there...or makes an assessment of someone's character because they suffer a minor criticism of their own.
Funnily enough I was in Manchester last week and it p1ssed down.
You’re an oddball baby.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
They just keep on giving. on 06:59 - Jul 13 by WeWereZombies
Well done, you have described a continent of fifty four sovereign states as the place you were in a couple of months ago. A bit like someone who goes to Manchester on a rainy weekend and says it always rains there...or makes an assessment of someone's character because they suffer a minor criticism of their own.
Lucan does not like to deal in evidence that comes from anything other than his own personal experience.
I loathe the Tories, passionately, but Ben Wallace has been the Secretary of State for Defence that Ukraine has needed over the 500+ days of this conflict.
His decision to send Stingers before the invasion began stopped the initial tank column from reaching Kyiv.
Since then he has worked tirelessly to support Zelensky, and has been pivotal on building the coalition of support from other NATO countries.
(He also earns tremendous credit from me for refusing to cash in his own popularity amongst MPs and party members by throwing his hat in the ring during two Tory leadership elections, because he knew that the job he was doing at the MoD was absolutely critical and shouldn't be interrupted.)
If he is saying this, it will be because one or more of the NATO countries where public support for Ukraine is marginal have expressed a need for it to help them sell, to their own electorate, further transfers of armaments or money to Ukraine.
"We have made it clear that there isn't a blank cheque" is a pretty basic and important message for Biden to project, for example, not least because he has to agree the Budget with Republicans due to not holding both House and Senate. That may have been one of their conditions for agreeing the next round of budget negotiations.
TL:DR Ben Wallace has earned Zelensky's trust and there will be a reason why he has needed to say this.
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They just keep on giving. on 09:58 - Jul 13 with 2029 views
They just keep on giving. on 17:45 - Jul 12 by Lord_Lucan
I support the assistance to Ukraine but Ben Wallace is 100% correct.
“We are not Amazon”. Spot on.
…..and let’s not forget, Ukraine were / are no angels.
……and also, we have kind of reneged on no NATO expansion.
We also allowed Ukraine to dismantle their massive nuclear arsenal as part of a back room deal.
The whole situation is much more complicated than some TW4TD waffle about the Tories.
Beggars belief really.
Edit. The way Wallace has been shafted by Biden to be NATO big boss is bloody ridiculous, there were reports that the old fool wanted Ursula whatsername, completely not researching that she was the most useless military strategist in Germany since the end days of Hitler.
Biden has done more in his time to sour USA / U.K. relationships in a couple of years that anyone in history, mainly because of his so called Irish heritage - and he hates Wallace because he served in NI
Thankfully Biden is a puppet and the real line of “special relationship” is both our intelligence services who are almost definitely the best on the planet and they are as close as feck.
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What utter tosh.
If Biden is the puppet as you claim, then how is he responsible for shafting Wallace ? How on earth is he therefore allowed to bring his supposed hatred of Wallace into things ? This is the kind of witless drivel that passes for journalism in the Mail or Express.
The reality is, the job of the head of NATO is not some grace and favour position handed out at the behest of the US president. If so, why did the Trumpanzee not appoint his man ?
Wallace had said if the job became vacant, he would be willing to put his name forward. It's clear he has taken soundings and found there is not likely to be a new appointment soon, when there is he is not considered suitable by the various heads of state of NATO.
But does not fit in with the rightie play book, so we have some ridiculous conspiracy nonsense whereby Biden is a puppet of whom ? The illuminati, the Beidebeck groups, Smersh, Spectre.....
My thought, which seems echoed by many NATO countries, is that some sort of agreement will have to be arrived at. As with NI, and Cyprus. Much of the land occupied by Russia is lived in mostly ethnic Russians, how they got there is a matter that will have to be addressed during talks.
However the thought is that NATO is not a bottomless pit of armaments and munitions. It might seem on the surface that it is beneficial to have Russia slowly degraded. But at what cost ?
If it cannot retain control of its other borders, then how will it fend off possible land grabs by both China and India ? Those two countries have long been at war in the Kashmir, and would see any advancement by the other as a snub at best, and a threat at worse.
The real question now is how do NATO (and others) get Russia and Ukraine round the negotiating table. That will need handling carefully, hence the wish to keep Jens Stoltenberg in place. Wallace has perhaps shown his lack of tact over this, and is now blubbing, as with Dorries.
Wallace may have been used (Dorries) and is now being discarded. That is politics. Something both of them should, I say should be well aware of. Unfortunately not, it would seem.
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They just keep on giving. on 22:07 - Jul 15 with 1792 views
They just keep on giving. on 20:36 - Jul 15 by HARRY10
What utter tosh.
If Biden is the puppet as you claim, then how is he responsible for shafting Wallace ? How on earth is he therefore allowed to bring his supposed hatred of Wallace into things ? This is the kind of witless drivel that passes for journalism in the Mail or Express.
The reality is, the job of the head of NATO is not some grace and favour position handed out at the behest of the US president. If so, why did the Trumpanzee not appoint his man ?
Wallace had said if the job became vacant, he would be willing to put his name forward. It's clear he has taken soundings and found there is not likely to be a new appointment soon, when there is he is not considered suitable by the various heads of state of NATO.
But does not fit in with the rightie play book, so we have some ridiculous conspiracy nonsense whereby Biden is a puppet of whom ? The illuminati, the Beidebeck groups, Smersh, Spectre.....
My thought, which seems echoed by many NATO countries, is that some sort of agreement will have to be arrived at. As with NI, and Cyprus. Much of the land occupied by Russia is lived in mostly ethnic Russians, how they got there is a matter that will have to be addressed during talks.
However the thought is that NATO is not a bottomless pit of armaments and munitions. It might seem on the surface that it is beneficial to have Russia slowly degraded. But at what cost ?
If it cannot retain control of its other borders, then how will it fend off possible land grabs by both China and India ? Those two countries have long been at war in the Kashmir, and would see any advancement by the other as a snub at best, and a threat at worse.
The real question now is how do NATO (and others) get Russia and Ukraine round the negotiating table. That will need handling carefully, hence the wish to keep Jens Stoltenberg in place. Wallace has perhaps shown his lack of tact over this, and is now blubbing, as with Dorries.
Wallace may have been used (Dorries) and is now being discarded. That is politics. Something both of them should, I say should be well aware of. Unfortunately not, it would seem.
The only way you get russia around a table is by beating them into a position where they have no choice.
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They just keep on giving. on 22:26 - Jul 15 with 1780 views
They just keep on giving. on 07:48 - Jul 13 by Herbivore
Lucan does not like to deal in evidence that comes from anything other than his own personal experience.
And that’s not such a bad thing really. There’s so many people now who have firm opinions based on no personal experience whatsoever, but rather because it’s what their ‘tribe’ shouts about on social media or wherever. Personal experience never did a one any harm (except for those people who end up in A&E with a saucepan on their head or something wedged up their jacksie).
They just keep on giving. on 22:26 - Jul 15 by Swansea_Blue
And that’s not such a bad thing really. There’s so many people now who have firm opinions based on no personal experience whatsoever, but rather because it’s what their ‘tribe’ shouts about on social media or wherever. Personal experience never did a one any harm (except for those people who end up in A&E with a saucepan on their head or something wedged up their jacksie).
I'd say it is quite a bad thing as it goes. Personal experience is valuable in life but when forming an opinion on something then it's important to consider a range of evidence and not just base it on your own limited experience.
They just keep on giving. on 22:07 - Jul 15 by redrickstuhaart
The only way you get russia around a table is by beating them into a position where they have no choice.
That seems to be the only option now, but that risks the nuclear button. Hence, the proxy and never ending war.
Since Yeltsin's time Russia has had a "long term aim" of joining the United Nations (Yeltsin's words.)
Even Putin expressed similar re: NATO:
“Russia is part of European culture. And I cannot imagine my own country in isolation from Europe and what we often call the civilised world. So it is hard for me to visualise NATO as an enemy,” said Putin, the country’s acting president in 2000,"
They were never entertained, hence the present day Russian mentality and the need for that buffer between Russia and the "West."
The Russian mentality saw Ukraine's drift towards the West as a threat.
Putin is a warmongering monster, but who created that being and the vast support he gets in Russia?
[Post edited 16 Jul 2023 6:19]
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They just keep on giving. on 06:20 - Jul 16 with 1690 views
They just keep on giving. on 22:26 - Jul 15 by Swansea_Blue
And that’s not such a bad thing really. There’s so many people now who have firm opinions based on no personal experience whatsoever, but rather because it’s what their ‘tribe’ shouts about on social media or wherever. Personal experience never did a one any harm (except for those people who end up in A&E with a saucepan on their head or something wedged up their jacksie).
On the personal experience front, I did spend six days crossing a nation undergoing revolution in Africa (and the Tunisians were either polite or indifferent, very civilised.) Africa does always seem to have one or more wars going on, but I would not judge the entire continent on the basis of my own personal experience or the heightened reporting that arises from conflict.
And I did once spend a Friday night in A&E in Newry, suspected Swansea would be up there but didn't expect you to beat it. How is the jacksie now ?
They just keep on giving. on 06:15 - Jul 16 by rodney76
That seems to be the only option now, but that risks the nuclear button. Hence, the proxy and never ending war.
Since Yeltsin's time Russia has had a "long term aim" of joining the United Nations (Yeltsin's words.)
Even Putin expressed similar re: NATO:
“Russia is part of European culture. And I cannot imagine my own country in isolation from Europe and what we often call the civilised world. So it is hard for me to visualise NATO as an enemy,” said Putin, the country’s acting president in 2000,"
They were never entertained, hence the present day Russian mentality and the need for that buffer between Russia and the "West."
The Russian mentality saw Ukraine's drift towards the West as a threat.
Putin is a warmongering monster, but who created that being and the vast support he gets in Russia?
[Post edited 16 Jul 2023 6:19]
Arguably, us by not standing up to them at the end of WW2 and going to war again to stop their annexation of half of Europe...
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They just keep on giving. on 10:01 - Jul 16 with 1647 views
They just keep on giving. on 06:15 - Jul 16 by rodney76
That seems to be the only option now, but that risks the nuclear button. Hence, the proxy and never ending war.
Since Yeltsin's time Russia has had a "long term aim" of joining the United Nations (Yeltsin's words.)
Even Putin expressed similar re: NATO:
“Russia is part of European culture. And I cannot imagine my own country in isolation from Europe and what we often call the civilised world. So it is hard for me to visualise NATO as an enemy,” said Putin, the country’s acting president in 2000,"
They were never entertained, hence the present day Russian mentality and the need for that buffer between Russia and the "West."
The Russian mentality saw Ukraine's drift towards the West as a threat.
Putin is a warmongering monster, but who created that being and the vast support he gets in Russia?
[Post edited 16 Jul 2023 6:19]
I think you mean European Union, not United Nations in that second paragraph. Russia (as the Soviet Union) has been a UN member since its founding in 1945, although quite a few resolutions would have been passed had they not been there to black ball them...
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