| Whos next in or out of the door next ? 12:54 - Jul 13 with 9949 views | Pippin1970 |
I think Edmundson will be sold but probably way off. Harness possibly as well if we get another in. |  | | |  |
| Whos next in or out of the door next ? on 10:43 - Jul 14 with 3165 views | J2BLUE |
| Whos next in or out of the door next ? on 10:41 - Jul 14 by PhilTWTD |
He was, he never got back to how he was in the early stages. Seems very much a confidence player, so whether it was down to his injury and struggling to get back to full fitness or never feeling quite on top of his game mentally I'm not sure. |
I have no issue with Harness, I was just trolling a Portsmouth fan I suspected might be reading. After he's been going on about how we will be rubbish in the Championship because we have players like Harness.
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| Whos next in or out of the door next ? on 11:47 - Jul 14 with 3088 views | Parky |
Lee Evans. | | | |
| Whos next in or out of the door next ? on 11:54 - Jul 14 with 3062 views | textbackup |
| Whos next in or out of the door next ? on 06:33 - Jul 14 by Clutch |
Why do people think we would sell Edmundson? |
Didn’t look too sharp in that video of Jackson scoring in training.
Clearly keep/shift a man with one foot, with even that being questionable, on his weaker foot |  |
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| Whos next in or out of the door next ? on 12:02 - Jul 14 with 3033 views | Dubtractor |
| Whos next in or out of the door next ? on 15:28 - Jul 13 by PhilTWTD |
Harness has been very good in pre-season so far, think he's been involved in all our goals when he's been on the field. |
I'd like to keep hold of Harness tbh. No arguing that he was pretty poor after his injury, but he was decent before that, and is a player who always looks to do something positive. |  |
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| Whos next in or out of the door next ? on 13:01 - Jul 14 with 2917 views | ElephantintheRoom |
McKenna if there’s a 0-0 draw in Bristol? | |
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| Whos next in or out of the door next ? on 13:32 - Jul 14 with 2894 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Whos next in or out of the door next ? on 09:46 - Jul 14 by jayessess |
Think in general people get a bit gung-ho about players potentially leaving the club.
If we decided to move Edmundson on it would be an incredibly complicated bit of work to do. With Keogh leaving we already have a vacancy for a centre back, probably one who'll need to take Burgess' first team place. The budget for that signing is going to be significant - a transfer fee and wages commensurate with a regular Championship starter. Meanwhile Woolfenden is a nailed on starter, so we'd need a second player, someone who doesn't have the expectation that they'll start most weeks. The budget for the signing would reflect that.
It's now mid-July, so unless one or other player shows up tomorrow that means we'd be looking at changing half our central defensive unit a long way through pre-season and potentially after the season starts. Oh, and we'd also have to find a good value move for a player we paid a decent wedge for, likely on decent money, who hasn't played a lot of football lately.
Tough ask and I think if we were looking to do something like that, more of the work would already be done. |
I think there are several that fall into the bracket of 'not actively pushing out' but will go if we can upgrade them - Evans, Jackson, Edmundson, Harness, Ladapo all spring to mind (not that I am saying all will go - maybe a couple).
Personally, I think in general people are underestimating how many might still come in. A lot seem to think we will just want a LCB and another versatile forward. We are still looking to strengthen at CM/RW for a start if we can get the right player. We will be working until the deadline to improve the squad and expect we will see a couple of Prem loanees come in once clubs at that level get settled.
We've made two good signings so far but ostensibly they were two players we nearly had permanently last summer in L1. We will need more if we want to kick on quickly and McKenna/Ashton know that. [Post edited 14 Jul 2023 13:35]
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| Whos next in or out of the door next ? on 14:14 - Jul 14 with 2836 views | jayessess |
| Whos next in or out of the door next ? on 13:32 - Jul 14 by tractorboy1978 |
I think there are several that fall into the bracket of 'not actively pushing out' but will go if we can upgrade them - Evans, Jackson, Edmundson, Harness, Ladapo all spring to mind (not that I am saying all will go - maybe a couple).
Personally, I think in general people are underestimating how many might still come in. A lot seem to think we will just want a LCB and another versatile forward. We are still looking to strengthen at CM/RW for a start if we can get the right player. We will be working until the deadline to improve the squad and expect we will see a couple of Prem loanees come in once clubs at that level get settled.
We've made two good signings so far but ostensibly they were two players we nearly had permanently last summer in L1. We will need more if we want to kick on quickly and McKenna/Ashton know that. [Post edited 14 Jul 2023 13:35]
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After last season we should be a bit more wary about going right up to the deadline.
I'd also say that one of the main advantages we're going to need to exploit over other teams is collective cohesion. We're going to be one of the few teams in the division off the back of an unambiguously successful season, with a collective sense of momentum, a lot of belief in the manager, his methods, with a confidence in our settled pattern of play. We'll have to make that count for us because there will be a lot of teams with more money to spend, more experienced players at the level. It's also something that is difficult to integrate players into in mid-August.
I can't see us getting to August 25th and thinking, let's scrabble around trying to replace our reserve RCB. |  |
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| Whos next in or out of the door next ? on 15:03 - Jul 14 with 2774 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Whos next in or out of the door next ? on 14:14 - Jul 14 by jayessess |
After last season we should be a bit more wary about going right up to the deadline.
I'd also say that one of the main advantages we're going to need to exploit over other teams is collective cohesion. We're going to be one of the few teams in the division off the back of an unambiguously successful season, with a collective sense of momentum, a lot of belief in the manager, his methods, with a confidence in our settled pattern of play. We'll have to make that count for us because there will be a lot of teams with more money to spend, more experienced players at the level. It's also something that is difficult to integrate players into in mid-August.
I can't see us getting to August 25th and thinking, let's scrabble around trying to replace our reserve RCB. |
Realistically though, our squad right now is virtually the same as it was at the back end of last season with the exception of Taylor. I don't think we are anywhere near a level of turnover that is going to damage any cohesion or momentum, and we have 3/4 changes to the squad in the bag still as far as I'm concerned.
You might be right re Edmundson but I still expect a couple from the list of players I mentioned to end up going. If Rak Sakyi becomes available then I suspect Jackson will be off whether that is tomorrow or 25th August. [Post edited 14 Jul 2023 15:08]
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| Whos next in or out of the door next ? on 15:07 - Jul 14 with 2756 views | SheffordBlue |
| Whos next in or out of the door next ? on 10:41 - Jul 14 by PhilTWTD |
He was, he never got back to how he was in the early stages. Seems very much a confidence player, so whether it was down to his injury and struggling to get back to full fitness or never feeling quite on top of his game mentally I'm not sure. |
Worth noting that in many games he'd come on in the first round of subs in one position. When the second round of subs was made he quite often not only changed who he was then playing with but also his position.
Difficult to make an impact in 20 minutes with different partners and in two different positions. | |
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| Whos next in or out of the door next ? on 15:31 - Jul 14 with 2702 views | jayessess |
| Whos next in or out of the door next ? on 15:03 - Jul 14 by tractorboy1978 |
Realistically though, our squad right now is virtually the same as it was at the back end of last season with the exception of Taylor. I don't think we are anywhere near a level of turnover that is going to damage any cohesion or momentum, and we have 3/4 changes to the squad in the bag still as far as I'm concerned.
You might be right re Edmundson but I still expect a couple from the list of players I mentioned to end up going. If Rak Sakyi becomes available then I suspect Jackson will be off whether that is tomorrow or 25th August. [Post edited 14 Jul 2023 15:08]
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Yeah, I don't think 3/4 changes would do massive damage to our cohesion/momentum. But what I think I would question is how much benefit you get from swapping out squad players late in the window?
You get to the last week in August and you've already recruited an extra forward into that spare squad space (probably someone who can potentially play in any position across the forward line). Harness has spent all Summer and all last season learning how we play, what his role in the team is, what his team mates are good and bad at. How much better does the player you find to replace him with have to be to end up in credit at the end of it? Especially if it's a loan player. | |
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| Whos next in or out of the door next ? on 15:55 - Jul 14 with 2650 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Whos next in or out of the door next ? on 15:31 - Jul 14 by jayessess |
Yeah, I don't think 3/4 changes would do massive damage to our cohesion/momentum. But what I think I would question is how much benefit you get from swapping out squad players late in the window?
You get to the last week in August and you've already recruited an extra forward into that spare squad space (probably someone who can potentially play in any position across the forward line). Harness has spent all Summer and all last season learning how we play, what his role in the team is, what his team mates are good and bad at. How much better does the player you find to replace him with have to be to end up in credit at the end of it? Especially if it's a loan player. |
A similar quality to Nathan Broadhead is probably the answer - we saw the difference in levels at the back end of last season.
I don't really see it as 'squad players'. I see it as 25 players that are all going to play a key part, particularly with 9 subs on the bench and 5 being able to be used. In the attacking positions in particular you need to have players capable of playing a minimum of 25-30 minutes a week at a high level if we want to be troubling the top 6. I think there's legitimate question marks about whether Jackson/Harness in particular are going to be able to do that a level higher. | | | |
| Whos next in or out of the door next ? on 22:08 - Jul 14 with 2483 views | jayessess |
| Whos next in or out of the door next ? on 15:55 - Jul 14 by tractorboy1978 |
A similar quality to Nathan Broadhead is probably the answer - we saw the difference in levels at the back end of last season.
I don't really see it as 'squad players'. I see it as 25 players that are all going to play a key part, particularly with 9 subs on the bench and 5 being able to be used. In the attacking positions in particular you need to have players capable of playing a minimum of 25-30 minutes a week at a high level if we want to be troubling the top 6. I think there's legitimate question marks about whether Jackson/Harness in particular are going to be able to do that a level higher. |
But the reality is that some players are squad players. We aren't expecting the same contribution from Janoi Donacien and Greg Leigh as we are from Leif Davis and Harry Clarke. You can't recruit 25 players all of whom have the same expectations to start, all of them on the same salaries. You'll need some players who are cheaper and can do a job, so you concentrate some of your resources on higher end players. You'll need some players who accept that their role is the 25-30 minutes a week (and only some weeks), rather than the starring role. [Post edited 15 Jul 2023 9:50]
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| Whos next in or out of the door next ? on 07:08 - Jul 15 with 2343 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Whos next in or out of the door next ? on 22:08 - Jul 14 by jayessess |
But the reality is that some players are squad players. We aren't expecting the same contribution from Janoi Donacien and Greg Leigh as we are from Leif Davis and Harry Clarke. You can't recruit 25 players all of whom have the same expectations to start, all of them on the same salaries. You'll need some players who are cheaper and can do a job, so you concentrate some of your resources on higher end players. You'll need some players who accept that their role is the 25-30 minutes a week (and only some weeks), rather than the starring role. [Post edited 15 Jul 2023 9:50]
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We will see what happens - more ins and outs than you think is my opinion. | | | |
| Whos next in or out of the door next ? on 10:52 - Jul 15 with 2207 views | GlasgowBlue |
2 out = Evans and Jackson
3 in = Cashin or Trusty, Rak-Sakyi, TJJ |  |
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| Whos next in or out of the door next ? on 16:43 - Jul 18 with 1970 views | BlueBoots |
What do I win? |  |
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| Whos next in or out of the door next ? on 18:51 - Jul 18 with 1847 views | ipswichtillidie |
There is no way I can see Edmundson going anywhere. We have 3 recognised centre halves. We will sign one not two imo and let Baggott go out on loan again.
Jackson yes, if the right offer came in but again not before we have signed a right sided replacement.
Harness also possible but started pre season well and again would expect another number 10 in the door first. Actually think he’ll stay and be cover for Broady.
Edwards again offers so much and hope he isn’t one that goes. Not many players like him in the squad and can be very useful and could actually develop and surprise this season imo. |  |
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| Whos next in or out of the door next ? on 18:59 - Jul 18 with 1823 views | GlasgowBlue |
Who will buy an injured Edmundson? I think we need to look for a replacement regardless of whether he is still at the club as he hasn't been fit for nearly 18 months. | |
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| Whos next in or out of the door next ? on 00:05 - Jul 19 with 1668 views | Sharkey |
| Whos next in or out of the door next ? on 06:48 - Jul 14 by LegendofthePhoenix |
Shifting anyone will be difficult, as every player will have had a hefty wage increase upon promotion. Assuming that the buyers are L1 teams, our players were already on high wages by L1 standards, and you'd expect that wages have gone up by 50-100% upon promotion. So the players will want to see their contract settled before moving on. Easiest for the players who have less time left on their contract. It's a costly business, promotion. |
Do you know for sure that players got 'a hefty wage increase' for promotion? I'd have thought a (possibly substantial) one-off promotion bonus was more likely, as that would have been much more sensible by the club, to avoid exactly the situation you're talking about. |  | | |
| Whos next in or out of the door next ? on 06:46 - Jul 19 with 1578 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
| Whos next in or out of the door next ? on 00:05 - Jul 19 by Sharkey |
Do you know for sure that players got 'a hefty wage increase' for promotion? I'd have thought a (possibly substantial) one-off promotion bonus was more likely, as that would have been much more sensible by the club, to avoid exactly the situation you're talking about. |
This link is a couple of years old, but according to this, the average championship wage is 3-4 times the average League 1 wage!
So yes, I am sure that every player will have had a contract clause that assures them of a hefty salary increase upon promotion.
https://sqaf.club/how-much-do-footballers-get-paid/ |  |
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| Whos next in or out of the door next ? on 11:30 - Jul 19 with 1479 views | DinDjarin |
| Whos next in or out of the door next ? on 06:46 - Jul 19 by LegendofthePhoenix |
This link is a couple of years old, but according to this, the average championship wage is 3-4 times the average League 1 wage!
So yes, I am sure that every player will have had a contract clause that assures them of a hefty salary increase upon promotion.
https://sqaf.club/how-much-do-footballers-get-paid/ |
We didn't have an average L1 wage bill though. |  | | |
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