| Tennis 16:34 - Jul 14 with 7655 views | SitfcB |
Been truly spoilt over the last ten years or so with Nadal, Federer, Murray and Djokovic.
Doesn’t seem the same watching Wimbledon these days without the other three, Novak still going strong but was always the least likeable and still is for some reason 
I don’t think we will ever see domination like we did with those 4 all at once ever again in tennis. |  |
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| Tennis on 21:29 - Jul 14 with 2690 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Tennis on 18:22 - Jul 14 by Ryorry |
It did also spread into probably inevitable discussion of player personalities (ie seeming lack of these days) though.
I still miss the Mac & Connors days! |
There’s been a constant stream of top class players providing us with gripping rivalries through most of my life.
Bjorg, McEnroe, Becker, Agassi, Sampras and then into Federer and they other boys in the OP. Honourable mentions for the likes of Connors, Cash, Edberg, etc.
We even got excited about Tim Henman briefly!
The woman’s game mirrors that too. Whenever you think you’ve seen an all-time great, along comes another one or two just as good. BJK/Evert to Navratilova/Graf to Williams sisters.
It feels like it’s been a bit of a golden 40 years or so for tennis. |  |
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| Tennis on 06:23 - Jul 15 with 2605 views | ElephantintheRoom |
On thé other hand the anti Vaxer and Nadal brought a new level of cheating to tennis that made a dull, one dimensional sport almost unwatchable. Both used slow play to grind Fédèrer down and matches between the two were cheat fests excused by a gullible media as ‘the longest match’
Racket technology and identi-courts have made tennis a dull, one dimensional power game - not that the Brits notice because tennis only exists for two weeks a year on grass |  |
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| Tennis on 07:03 - Jul 15 with 2584 views | Herbivore |
| Tennis on 06:23 - Jul 15 by ElephantintheRoom |
On thé other hand the anti Vaxer and Nadal brought a new level of cheating to tennis that made a dull, one dimensional sport almost unwatchable. Both used slow play to grind Fédèrer down and matches between the two were cheat fests excused by a gullible media as ‘the longest match’
Racket technology and identi-courts have made tennis a dull, one dimensional power game - not that the Brits notice because tennis only exists for two weeks a year on grass |
You make Victor Meldrew look positively chipper. |  |
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| Tennis on 07:50 - Jul 15 with 2571 views | blueislander |
| Tennis on 06:23 - Jul 15 by ElephantintheRoom |
On thé other hand the anti Vaxer and Nadal brought a new level of cheating to tennis that made a dull, one dimensional sport almost unwatchable. Both used slow play to grind Fédèrer down and matches between the two were cheat fests excused by a gullible media as ‘the longest match’
Racket technology and identi-courts have made tennis a dull, one dimensional power game - not that the Brits notice because tennis only exists for two weeks a year on grass |
Have you ever played tennis on grass, clay and hard courts? If so did you not notice the difference in the speed and height of the bounce , and the way they react to the various types of spin imparted? | | | |
| Tennis on 10:14 - Jul 15 with 2539 views | BlueOura |
| Tennis on 19:18 - Jul 14 by StokieBlue |
"Anyway I can see you are clearly blind to anything outside of your own view".
This is a false equivalence, not all world views are equal and it's been one of the real issues of the last few years than many seem to think they are.
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Who mentioned world views? I was talking about one issue and challenged the poster on his assertion that Djokovic was actively encouraging other people to take an anti-vax position.
His attempt at presenting evidence was to post a direct quote from Djokovic backing up exactly what I said, which was that it was his own personal choice. The poster then doubled down on his position, hence my saying he was clearly blind to anything other than what he has already decided is truth, regardless of the evidence. I have yet to see any evidence in this thread of Djokovic actively encouraging other people not to take a vacccine, perhaps you could provide some?
There is no false equivalence from my side at all. |  | | |
| Tennis on 10:18 - Jul 15 with 2538 views | StokieBlue |
| Tennis on 10:14 - Jul 15 by BlueOura |
Who mentioned world views? I was talking about one issue and challenged the poster on his assertion that Djokovic was actively encouraging other people to take an anti-vax position.
His attempt at presenting evidence was to post a direct quote from Djokovic backing up exactly what I said, which was that it was his own personal choice. The poster then doubled down on his position, hence my saying he was clearly blind to anything other than what he has already decided is truth, regardless of the evidence. I have yet to see any evidence in this thread of Djokovic actively encouraging other people not to take a vacccine, perhaps you could provide some?
There is no false equivalence from my side at all. |
It was a clear false equivalence, not all world views are equal yet you implied that all should be considered equal and assessed as such.
Djokovic has horrible opinions on many subjects which have frequently been countered by experts in their fields.
Any thoughts on his statements about Kosovo which you decided to gloss over?
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| Tennis on 10:31 - Jul 15 with 2526 views | BlueOura |
| Tennis on 10:18 - Jul 15 by StokieBlue |
It was a clear false equivalence, not all world views are equal yet you implied that all should be considered equal and assessed as such.
Djokovic has horrible opinions on many subjects which have frequently been countered by experts in their fields.
Any thoughts on his statements about Kosovo which you decided to gloss over?
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I didn't imply anything of the sort, I never mentioned world views or that they should all be considered equal, so please stop claiming that I did.
No, I dont have any thoughts on his statememnts re.Kosovo. I don't know enough about the region to really have an opinion either way. I can only assume that Djokovic does have the right to an opinion though, having been born in Belgrade. | | | |
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| Tennis on 10:36 - Jul 15 with 2521 views | StokieBlue |
| Tennis on 10:31 - Jul 15 by BlueOura |
I didn't imply anything of the sort, I never mentioned world views or that they should all be considered equal, so please stop claiming that I did.
No, I dont have any thoughts on his statememnts re.Kosovo. I don't know enough about the region to really have an opinion either way. I can only assume that Djokovic does have the right to an opinion though, having been born in Belgrade. |
"Anyway I can see you are clearly blind to anything outside of your own view"
What is the implication of this line you wrote then?
Belgrade is not in Kosovo and the fact that he is Serbian and making those statements about Kosovo is the problem given the historical context and the very recent troubles in the area.
You're basically jumped in defending Djokovic whilst by your own admission, not really knowing much about his opinions or statements. Given that, I'll leave it there and bid you good day.
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| Tennis on 10:42 - Jul 15 with 2512 views | Radlett_blue |
| Tennis on 06:23 - Jul 15 by ElephantintheRoom |
On thé other hand the anti Vaxer and Nadal brought a new level of cheating to tennis that made a dull, one dimensional sport almost unwatchable. Both used slow play to grind Fédèrer down and matches between the two were cheat fests excused by a gullible media as ‘the longest match’
Racket technology and identi-courts have made tennis a dull, one dimensional power game - not that the Brits notice because tennis only exists for two weeks a year on grass |
The delays in serving used by Djokovic & Nadal (plus others as well, but they have been more visible as high profile players) do make tennis a hard watch. They push the 25 seconds time limit (way too long IMO) to and beyond the limit & most umpires are reluctant to enforce the rules. That plus using the minute at changeovers to the full & the tactical, often lengthy "bathroom breaks" make tennis matches take too long. |  |
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| Tennis on 10:58 - Jul 15 with 2499 views | BlueOura |
| Tennis on 10:36 - Jul 15 by StokieBlue |
"Anyway I can see you are clearly blind to anything outside of your own view"
What is the implication of this line you wrote then?
Belgrade is not in Kosovo and the fact that he is Serbian and making those statements about Kosovo is the problem given the historical context and the very recent troubles in the area.
You're basically jumped in defending Djokovic whilst by your own admission, not really knowing much about his opinions or statements. Given that, I'll leave it there and bid you good day.
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"outside of your OWN view" This was in direct communication to BlueBadger, with the implication being he had already made his mind up and was not going to be open to any other viewpoint, despite the evidence.
Let me know if you manage to find any evidence of Djokovic trying to influence other people not to take vaccines. | | | |
| Tennis on 11:58 - Jul 15 with 2482 views | blueislander |
| Tennis on 10:42 - Jul 15 by Radlett_blue |
The delays in serving used by Djokovic & Nadal (plus others as well, but they have been more visible as high profile players) do make tennis a hard watch. They push the 25 seconds time limit (way too long IMO) to and beyond the limit & most umpires are reluctant to enforce the rules. That plus using the minute at changeovers to the full & the tactical, often lengthy "bathroom breaks" make tennis matches take too long. |
The amount of time between points has reduced slightly since the players have had to fetch their own towels rather than the ball boys/girls getting them. | | | |
| Tennis on 12:01 - Jul 15 with 2480 views | StokieBlue |
| Tennis on 10:58 - Jul 15 by BlueOura |
"outside of your OWN view" This was in direct communication to BlueBadger, with the implication being he had already made his mind up and was not going to be open to any other viewpoint, despite the evidence.
Let me know if you manage to find any evidence of Djokovic trying to influence other people not to take vaccines. |
I've not mentioned vaccines in any of my posts so why do you keep demanding that I provide you evidence on that point whilst ignoring the points I've actually made? I do have issues with his vaccine position but I've not specifically mentioned it. He has anti-science views on other subjects, not just vaccines.
There is no good evidence for Djokovic viewpoint around vaccines so why should he try and be open to his viewpoint? Badger should be swayed by experts which is where he was forming his opinion. You've once again drawn a false equivalence between Djokovic views and those of experts.
I'm utterly sick of the "but both sides" merchants and you seem to be one of them.
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| Tennis on 13:53 - Jul 15 with 2441 views | Swoody |
| Tennis on 12:01 - Jul 15 by StokieBlue |
I've not mentioned vaccines in any of my posts so why do you keep demanding that I provide you evidence on that point whilst ignoring the points I've actually made? I do have issues with his vaccine position but I've not specifically mentioned it. He has anti-science views on other subjects, not just vaccines.
There is no good evidence for Djokovic viewpoint around vaccines so why should he try and be open to his viewpoint? Badger should be swayed by experts which is where he was forming his opinion. You've once again drawn a false equivalence between Djokovic views and those of experts.
I'm utterly sick of the "but both sides" merchants and you seem to be one of them.
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As someone that worked at the end of year ATP finals for many years trust me when I tell you that Novak was by far the nicest and most engaging of the big three, he always had time for all the support staff at the event unlike the other two. | | | |
| Tennis on 14:20 - Jul 15 with 2422 views | BlueOura |
| Tennis on 12:01 - Jul 15 by StokieBlue |
I've not mentioned vaccines in any of my posts so why do you keep demanding that I provide you evidence on that point whilst ignoring the points I've actually made? I do have issues with his vaccine position but I've not specifically mentioned it. He has anti-science views on other subjects, not just vaccines.
There is no good evidence for Djokovic viewpoint around vaccines so why should he try and be open to his viewpoint? Badger should be swayed by experts which is where he was forming his opinion. You've once again drawn a false equivalence between Djokovic views and those of experts.
I'm utterly sick of the "but both sides" merchants and you seem to be one of them.
SB |
I didn't demand anything of you. I never brought vaccines into the thread either, I simply defended the false claim that he is an anti-vaxxer that encourages others to not take vaccines. To this point nobody has been able to provide any evidence showing that he does.
You also seem to be repeatedly missing the point which was that Novak made his own decision and stood by it so it not a case of his view against the experts. In his case he is young, fit and very healthy, he had Covid and had a mild illness, therefore his personal decision not to take a vaccine was perfectly vindicated. Especially with a vaccine that has only limited abilty to prevent transmission.
Your first post in this thread stated "Because he propagates false and dangerous information on numerous subjects" So far you havent provided any evidence of this other than to question his views on kosovo which are subjective and not demonstrably false.
Do you know what i'm sick of? people who think they know everything about everything and are never humble enough to think they may be wrong or have something to learn from somebody else. You seem to be one of them. [Post edited 15 Jul 2023 16:46]
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| Tennis on 16:06 - Jul 15 with 2390 views | Vegtablue |
| Tennis on 14:20 - Jul 15 by BlueOura |
I didn't demand anything of you. I never brought vaccines into the thread either, I simply defended the false claim that he is an anti-vaxxer that encourages others to not take vaccines. To this point nobody has been able to provide any evidence showing that he does.
You also seem to be repeatedly missing the point which was that Novak made his own decision and stood by it so it not a case of his view against the experts. In his case he is young, fit and very healthy, he had Covid and had a mild illness, therefore his personal decision not to take a vaccine was perfectly vindicated. Especially with a vaccine that has only limited abilty to prevent transmission.
Your first post in this thread stated "Because he propagates false and dangerous information on numerous subjects" So far you havent provided any evidence of this other than to question his views on kosovo which are subjective and not demonstrably false.
Do you know what i'm sick of? people who think they know everything about everything and are never humble enough to think they may be wrong or have something to learn from somebody else. You seem to be one of them. [Post edited 15 Jul 2023 16:46]
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Forgive me for intruding on your conversation, which I haven't followed.
My memory of the time is that he was a poster boy for the anti-vax community; he gained notoriety for his party and his Aussie detention was hugely embarrassing. He also breached Covid regulations while infected and made false declarations for travel purposes. Notwithstanding these transgressions, he was explicit about his belief in personal choice and he didn't publicly discourage taking the vaccine. He made clear he would rather not compete again than take it himself, as an athlete who is careful about what he puts inside his body, but also that everyone must make their own informed decision, relevant to their own circumstances. | | | |
| Tennis on 16:45 - Jul 15 with 2355 views | BlueOura |
| Tennis on 16:06 - Jul 15 by Vegtablue |
Forgive me for intruding on your conversation, which I haven't followed.
My memory of the time is that he was a poster boy for the anti-vax community; he gained notoriety for his party and his Aussie detention was hugely embarrassing. He also breached Covid regulations while infected and made false declarations for travel purposes. Notwithstanding these transgressions, he was explicit about his belief in personal choice and he didn't publicly discourage taking the vaccine. He made clear he would rather not compete again than take it himself, as an athlete who is careful about what he puts inside his body, but also that everyone must make their own informed decision, relevant to their own circumstances. |
I'd say that is about right, yes, although the poster boy bit was not really of his own choosing. | | | |
| Tennis on 17:21 - Jul 15 with 2325 views | Herbivore |
| Tennis on 16:45 - Jul 15 by BlueOura |
I'd say that is about right, yes, although the poster boy bit was not really of his own choosing. |
Imagine more people taking notice of what you say when you're in the public eye. | |
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| Tennis on 17:31 - Jul 15 with 2313 views | Perublue |
Ladies final was a bit of a damp squib wasn't it...i guess the public would have been very up for the ukraine v belarus match as well as the players too.
tomorrow really is a meeting of the best of the old generation and the best of the new |  |
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| Tennis on 17:43 - Jul 15 with 2297 views | StokieBlue |
| Tennis on 14:20 - Jul 15 by BlueOura |
I didn't demand anything of you. I never brought vaccines into the thread either, I simply defended the false claim that he is an anti-vaxxer that encourages others to not take vaccines. To this point nobody has been able to provide any evidence showing that he does.
You also seem to be repeatedly missing the point which was that Novak made his own decision and stood by it so it not a case of his view against the experts. In his case he is young, fit and very healthy, he had Covid and had a mild illness, therefore his personal decision not to take a vaccine was perfectly vindicated. Especially with a vaccine that has only limited abilty to prevent transmission.
Your first post in this thread stated "Because he propagates false and dangerous information on numerous subjects" So far you havent provided any evidence of this other than to question his views on kosovo which are subjective and not demonstrably false.
Do you know what i'm sick of? people who think they know everything about everything and are never humble enough to think they may be wrong or have something to learn from somebody else. You seem to be one of them. [Post edited 15 Jul 2023 16:46]
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"Do you know what i'm sick of? people who think they know everything about everything and are never humble enough to think they may be wrong or have something to learn from somebody else. You seem to be one of them."
This pretty much covers your posting in this thread just as much as it does mine.
Since you seem to be totally focused on his covid position (something I've not mentioned at all) I can safely say that there is nothing to learn from his view and I'll stick to the view of qualified immunologists.
The fact that you seem to think his position is of any equivalence at all is the issue here.
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| Tennis on 17:44 - Jul 15 with 2294 views | BlueOura |
| Tennis on 17:21 - Jul 15 by Herbivore |
Imagine more people taking notice of what you say when you're in the public eye. |
Well done for missing the point, seems to be a common theme in this thread. | | | |
| Tennis on 17:52 - Jul 15 with 2284 views | Herbivore |
| Tennis on 17:44 - Jul 15 by BlueOura |
Well done for missing the point, seems to be a common theme in this thread. |
When someone in the public eye says they are "opposed to vaccinations" and says things like they are "curious about wellbeing and how we can empower our metabolism to be in the best shape to defend against imposters like Covid-19", I'm not sure he or you can really complain that he's become a poster boy for the anti-vaxxers. I think that's especially the case when you look at some of the other things he's had to say about health, which aren't exactly well-founded in science. See the link below, for example.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-59897918 [Post edited 15 Jul 2023 17:53]
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| Tennis on 17:59 - Jul 15 with 2271 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Tennis on 17:52 - Jul 15 by Herbivore |
When someone in the public eye says they are "opposed to vaccinations" and says things like they are "curious about wellbeing and how we can empower our metabolism to be in the best shape to defend against imposters like Covid-19", I'm not sure he or you can really complain that he's become a poster boy for the anti-vaxxers. I think that's especially the case when you look at some of the other things he's had to say about health, which aren't exactly well-founded in science. See the link below, for example.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-59897918 [Post edited 15 Jul 2023 17:53]
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Some of this borders on Noel Edmunds levels of Bat$hittery doesn't it |  |
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| Tennis on 18:23 - Jul 15 with 2253 views | Herbivore |
| Tennis on 17:59 - Jul 15 by BlueandTruesince82 |
Some of this borders on Noel Edmunds levels of Bat$hittery doesn't it |
Are you saying you don't think good vibes can cleanse polluted water? | |
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| Tennis on 19:15 - Jul 15 with 2219 views | BlueOura |
| Tennis on 17:52 - Jul 15 by Herbivore |
When someone in the public eye says they are "opposed to vaccinations" and says things like they are "curious about wellbeing and how we can empower our metabolism to be in the best shape to defend against imposters like Covid-19", I'm not sure he or you can really complain that he's become a poster boy for the anti-vaxxers. I think that's especially the case when you look at some of the other things he's had to say about health, which aren't exactly well-founded in science. See the link below, for example.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-59897918 [Post edited 15 Jul 2023 17:53]
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It was consistently reported that individuals with poor metabolic health, obesity, and/or type-2 diabetes succumbed to more serious outcomes from COVID-19, so nice to see Novak knows what he is talking about.
Anyway, things to do and that. Enjoy your evening. | | | |
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