| Tennis 16:34 - Jul 14 with 7653 views | SitfcB |
Been truly spoilt over the last ten years or so with Nadal, Federer, Murray and Djokovic.
Doesn’t seem the same watching Wimbledon these days without the other three, Novak still going strong but was always the least likeable and still is for some reason 
I don’t think we will ever see domination like we did with those 4 all at once ever again in tennis. |  |
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| Tennis on 18:16 - Jul 14 with 1298 views | Herbivore |
| Tennis on 17:22 - Jul 14 by Vegtablue |
There was a special period when they weren't, prior to his body giving up on him. I think his injury cheated us of what would have been a much long chapter succeeding in that company, when he found the consistent aggression required to reach the summit in 2016 and dominate the world that year really. Not to be though! |
But he had to flog himself so hard in 2016 just to narrowly overtake Djokovic as world number 1 - including playing a load of extra tournaments - that his body just broke down. And it's not really right to say he dominated that year, he only won one major. Compare that to the dominant years the other three had, all of them have won three majors in a year at least once. I think if his hip had held up he'd have won a few more but he'd still have been miles behind the other three. I say this as someone who considers Murray one of the greatest British sports people of all time. I think in another era he wins 10+ majors potentially, but the other three always just had that extra few percent over him. |  |
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| Tennis on 18:16 - Jul 14 with 1298 views | blueislander |
| Tennis on 18:13 - Jul 14 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Mainly because the conversation was about Djokovic, Nadal, Federer and Murray. |
OK If you want to limit the conversation to those four , and not expand it into the future of tennis rather than the past. |  | | |
| Tennis on 18:18 - Jul 14 with 1287 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Tennis on 18:16 - Jul 14 by blueislander |
OK If you want to limit the conversation to those four , and not expand it into the future of tennis rather than the past. |
The OP was literally about those 4.
But you're right Alcaraz is the next big thing. |  |
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| Tennis on 18:22 - Jul 14 with 1266 views | Ryorry |
| Tennis on 18:18 - Jul 14 by Cheltenham_Blue |
The OP was literally about those 4.
But you're right Alcaraz is the next big thing. |
It did also spread into probably inevitable discussion of player personalities (ie seeming lack of these days) though.
I still miss the Mac & Connors days! |  |
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| Tennis on 18:24 - Jul 14 with 1262 views | BlueOura |
| Tennis on 17:28 - Jul 14 by BlueBadger |
https://inews.co.uk/sport/tennis/novak-djokovic-not-vaccinated-why-covid-vaccine
“Personally I am opposed to vaccination and I wouldn’t want to be forced by someone to take a vaccine in order to be able to travel,” Djokovic said on 19 April 2020.'
'And then in June he organised the controversial Adria Tour, an event which lacked social distancing, featured full crowds, and ultimately ended early when Covid-19 spread among the players and some of their close contacts.' [Post edited 14 Jul 2023 17:29]
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So he made a personal choice like I said, thanks for confirming. Yes the Adria tour was ill-advised but I believe he apologised for this.
People make mistakes, often they learn from them. Other people are so quick to judge, usually from a place of ignorance. Why don't we ever take a step back and try to understand where a person imight be coming from or why they may hold a different view to ourselves?
Look at Dele Alli, everyman and his dog has been calling him unprofessional and a waste of space for the last 3 or 4 years, suddenly the full context is revealed and it all looks a little different and a lot of his behaviour is understandable. |  | | |
| Tennis on 18:25 - Jul 14 with 1254 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Tennis on 18:22 - Jul 14 by Ryorry |
It did also spread into probably inevitable discussion of player personalities (ie seeming lack of these days) though.
I still miss the Mac & Connors days! |
Ivan Lendl was quite the watch too! | |
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| Tennis on 18:30 - Jul 14 with 1250 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
The boy Alcaraz looks quality though doesn't he!
Some player. Ruud and Rune also comming through.
Medvedev still only 26, Tsipas maybe not quite stepped up to true contender.
Some great matches in the women's draw this year. Jauber reminds me of Arancha Sanchez Vicario, looks class. |  |
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| Tennis on 18:32 - Jul 14 with 1240 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Tennis on 18:24 - Jul 14 by BlueOura |
So he made a personal choice like I said, thanks for confirming. Yes the Adria tour was ill-advised but I believe he apologised for this.
People make mistakes, often they learn from them. Other people are so quick to judge, usually from a place of ignorance. Why don't we ever take a step back and try to understand where a person imight be coming from or why they may hold a different view to ourselves?
Look at Dele Alli, everyman and his dog has been calling him unprofessional and a waste of space for the last 3 or 4 years, suddenly the full context is revealed and it all looks a little different and a lot of his behaviour is understandable. |
It wasnt a mistake to lie about it to the Aussies, or to take a stance which was foolish, selfish and dangerous. It was a decision. | | | |
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| Tennis on 18:33 - Jul 14 with 1236 views | BlueOura |
| Tennis on 18:05 - Jul 14 by Cheltenham_Blue |
His position alone made him influence others by refusing to have the vaccine.
Its really not difficult to see that. |
So because he is famous he should lose the right to make his own medical choices? He had to answer questions because the whole World wanted to stick their nose into other peoples business as usual. I'm pretty sure he would rather have kept his medical information private, had he been allowed.
In any case I think we had plenty of celebrities, politicians, sports stars and the like trying to persuade us all to get jabbed so I dont think he upset the balance to much. | | | |
| Tennis on 18:37 - Jul 14 with 1223 views | BlueBadger |
| Tennis on 18:33 - Jul 14 by BlueOura |
So because he is famous he should lose the right to make his own medical choices? He had to answer questions because the whole World wanted to stick their nose into other peoples business as usual. I'm pretty sure he would rather have kept his medical information private, had he been allowed.
In any case I think we had plenty of celebrities, politicians, sports stars and the like trying to persuade us all to get jabbed so I dont think he upset the balance to much. |
He's entitled to his own choices, but to spout anti-vixx nonsense and encourage others to do so during a global pandemic is as stupid as it is irresponsible and selfish. |  |
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| Tennis on 18:37 - Jul 14 with 1223 views | Herbivore |
| Tennis on 18:33 - Jul 14 by BlueOura |
So because he is famous he should lose the right to make his own medical choices? He had to answer questions because the whole World wanted to stick their nose into other peoples business as usual. I'm pretty sure he would rather have kept his medical information private, had he been allowed.
In any case I think we had plenty of celebrities, politicians, sports stars and the like trying to persuade us all to get jabbed so I dont think he upset the balance to much. |
He's still a massive bell piece though. | |
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| Tennis on 18:38 - Jul 14 with 1225 views | BlueBadger |
| Tennis on 18:24 - Jul 14 by BlueOura |
So he made a personal choice like I said, thanks for confirming. Yes the Adria tour was ill-advised but I believe he apologised for this.
People make mistakes, often they learn from them. Other people are so quick to judge, usually from a place of ignorance. Why don't we ever take a step back and try to understand where a person imight be coming from or why they may hold a different view to ourselves?
Look at Dele Alli, everyman and his dog has been calling him unprofessional and a waste of space for the last 3 or 4 years, suddenly the full context is revealed and it all looks a little different and a lot of his behaviour is understandable. |
He made a choice and then decided to double down on and actively endanger others by lying about his vaccinations status and by setting up a completely precaution free tournament. | |
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| Tennis on 18:42 - Jul 14 with 1215 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Tennis on 18:33 - Jul 14 by BlueOura |
So because he is famous he should lose the right to make his own medical choices? He had to answer questions because the whole World wanted to stick their nose into other peoples business as usual. I'm pretty sure he would rather have kept his medical information private, had he been allowed.
In any case I think we had plenty of celebrities, politicians, sports stars and the like trying to persuade us all to get jabbed so I dont think he upset the balance to much. |
No, because he's famous he should be making sure his supporters do the right thing for others.
You're coming across a little anti-vax yourself, so I'll stop the interaction now. | |
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| Tennis on 18:44 - Jul 14 with 1215 views | BlueOura |
| Tennis on 18:37 - Jul 14 by BlueBadger |
He's entitled to his own choices, but to spout anti-vixx nonsense and encourage others to do so during a global pandemic is as stupid as it is irresponsible and selfish. |
But he didn't, as we've already established. Anyway I can see you are clearly blind to anything outside of your own view, and in any case i'm not even a particular fan of Novak so don't intend to spend the rest of the evening defending him on the internet. Therfore I will bid you a good evening sir. | | | |
| Tennis on 18:46 - Jul 14 with 1209 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Tennis on 18:15 - Jul 14 by redrickstuhaart |
I dont think so. He was always a tier below all 3 of them. And whilst its unusual to have 3 so strong, its not really unusual to have one or two. |
I'd say he certainly would have won more but I don't think ir would be double figures.
Federer is 41 injuries didn't catch up until quite late in his career really but having 4/5 years on the other 2 meant he wad probably past his peak in a lot of their matches.
Nadal is 37, though frequently injured he's managed his schedule well to usually be fit for the clay and has on the whole managed to avoid lengthy lay offs.
Novak is 36 and has been really lucky with injuries and may have another good 4 years in him. Hell of a player but some at best, odd ideas.
Murray is also 36 and is only now properly fit for tbe 1st time in 5 or 6 years. He really was class with huge range of shots and and great court coverage, IMO at least another 2 to 3 majors in his locker without the injury issues but in terms of consistency not quite as good. But all the shots and in any other era probably dominant.
Federer GOAT for me.
Novak may win more and is hard to argue again but just for the touch, the finesse the range of shots. I'd argue peak Federer beats any other player at their peak apart from Nadal on Clay. [Post edited 14 Jul 2023 18:49]
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| Tennis on 18:52 - Jul 14 with 1190 views | BlueBadger |
| Tennis on 16:56 - Jul 14 by hype313 |
Kygiros is the only one really with a personality these days. |
Speaking of 'characters' in sport...
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| Tennis on 19:09 - Jul 14 with 1176 views | Vegtablue |
| Tennis on 18:16 - Jul 14 by Herbivore |
But he had to flog himself so hard in 2016 just to narrowly overtake Djokovic as world number 1 - including playing a load of extra tournaments - that his body just broke down. And it's not really right to say he dominated that year, he only won one major. Compare that to the dominant years the other three had, all of them have won three majors in a year at least once. I think if his hip had held up he'd have won a few more but he'd still have been miles behind the other three. I say this as someone who considers Murray one of the greatest British sports people of all time. I think in another era he wins 10+ majors potentially, but the other three always just had that extra few percent over him. |
That's not altogether unfair. In 2016 Andy won Wimbledon, won the Olympics, won the ATP Tour Finals, had 41 weeks at no. 1, was runner up at Australia, runner up at the French and QF at the US Open. Djokovic won the Australian, won the French and was runner up at the US Open, runner up at the ATP Tour Finals, 3R at Wimbledon and 1R at the Olympics.. So dominance is too strong but I think the "Balloon d'Or" remains his, when all is totalled up. I don't agree he flogged himself more to achieve his time at no. 1. They played 19 tournaments each, Murray just won more matches and so played an extra 13 over the course of the season.
I place Rafa, Rog and Nole in the top 3 of all time and Andy in the top 10, so perhaps we don't disagree as much as my first post may have hinted. Yet I don't think Andy was miles off, especially towards the end of his first career, and during that latter spell I do believe he'd closed the gap that existed prior to the Lendl partnership. His game evolved IMO. Then, like with Rafa but more catastrophically lol, tennis took its toll. It's remarkable Novak has remained so healthy, considering how attritional his style is too.
Good to find another Andy fan! | | | |
| Tennis on 19:16 - Jul 14 with 1172 views | BlueBadger |
| Tennis on 18:44 - Jul 14 by BlueOura |
But he didn't, as we've already established. Anyway I can see you are clearly blind to anything outside of your own view, and in any case i'm not even a particular fan of Novak so don't intend to spend the rest of the evening defending him on the internet. Therfore I will bid you a good evening sir. |
Coward. Not even going to tell me to 'do my research'? | |
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| Tennis on 19:17 - Jul 14 with 1170 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Tennis on 19:09 - Jul 14 by Vegtablue |
That's not altogether unfair. In 2016 Andy won Wimbledon, won the Olympics, won the ATP Tour Finals, had 41 weeks at no. 1, was runner up at Australia, runner up at the French and QF at the US Open. Djokovic won the Australian, won the French and was runner up at the US Open, runner up at the ATP Tour Finals, 3R at Wimbledon and 1R at the Olympics.. So dominance is too strong but I think the "Balloon d'Or" remains his, when all is totalled up. I don't agree he flogged himself more to achieve his time at no. 1. They played 19 tournaments each, Murray just won more matches and so played an extra 13 over the course of the season.
I place Rafa, Rog and Nole in the top 3 of all time and Andy in the top 10, so perhaps we don't disagree as much as my first post may have hinted. Yet I don't think Andy was miles off, especially towards the end of his first career, and during that latter spell I do believe he'd closed the gap that existed prior to the Lendl partnership. His game evolved IMO. Then, like with Rafa but more catastrophically lol, tennis took its toll. It's remarkable Novak has remained so healthy, considering how attritional his style is too.
Good to find another Andy fan! |
Murray top ten of all time?
Allowing nadal, federer and the anti vaxer. Lendl, Borg, Sampras, becker... Maybe. | | | |
| Tennis on 19:18 - Jul 14 with 1171 views | StokieBlue |
| Tennis on 18:44 - Jul 14 by BlueOura |
But he didn't, as we've already established. Anyway I can see you are clearly blind to anything outside of your own view, and in any case i'm not even a particular fan of Novak so don't intend to spend the rest of the evening defending him on the internet. Therfore I will bid you a good evening sir. |
"Anyway I can see you are clearly blind to anything outside of your own view".
This is a false equivalence, not all world views are equal and it's been one of the real issues of the last few years than many seem to think they are.
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| Tennis on 19:49 - Jul 14 with 1151 views | BlueBadger |
| Tennis on 19:18 - Jul 14 by StokieBlue |
"Anyway I can see you are clearly blind to anything outside of your own view".
This is a false equivalence, not all world views are equal and it's been one of the real issues of the last few years than many seem to think they are.
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That was a Mad Harry level self awareness failure from them there wasn't it? | |
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| Tennis on 20:19 - Jul 14 with 1111 views | Vegtablue |
| Tennis on 19:17 - Jul 14 by redrickstuhaart |
Murray top ten of all time?
Allowing nadal, federer and the anti vaxer. Lendl, Borg, Sampras, becker... Maybe. |
He sneaks into mine! I know it's hard to compare, equipment and professionalism were very different, but I do view those three as the greatest of all the eras and, despite this Herculean challenge, Murray is 8th all-time for grand slam SFs, 9th for grand slam finals and his finals defeats have been against those bloody goats alone. | | | |
| Tennis on 20:20 - Jul 14 with 1108 views | Ryorry |
| Tennis on 18:25 - Jul 14 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Ivan Lendl was quite the watch too! |
... not to mention Rod Laver, Arthur Ashe, Ken Rosewall ... (maybe before your time).
The ones I miss most though are the four-times mens' doubles champs from the mid-60s to mid-70s, John Newcombe & Tony Roche. For sheer entertainment, fun & skill, those doubles matches have never been beaten I think - we used to sit round as a family (quite rare, only for exceptional TV) absolutely enthralled from start to finish.
Don't know whether I've just switched on at the wrong times, but there seems to have been little coverage of doubles matches this year, apart from the mens' wheelchair event, which was pretty impressive & good fun. | |
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| Tennis on 20:21 - Jul 14 with 1104 views | blueislander |
| Tennis on 19:17 - Jul 14 by redrickstuhaart |
Murray top ten of all time?
Allowing nadal, federer and the anti vaxer. Lendl, Borg, Sampras, becker... Maybe. |
You miss out the real GOAT. Rod Laver, along with Hoad, Rosewall , Emerson, Newcombe.and the best I ever saw live John McEnroe. | | | |
| Tennis on 21:15 - Jul 14 with 1082 views | SE1blue |
| Tennis on 18:33 - Jul 14 by BlueOura |
So because he is famous he should lose the right to make his own medical choices? He had to answer questions because the whole World wanted to stick their nose into other peoples business as usual. I'm pretty sure he would rather have kept his medical information private, had he been allowed.
In any case I think we had plenty of celebrities, politicians, sports stars and the like trying to persuade us all to get jabbed so I dont think he upset the balance to much. |
He’s mates with Nigel Farage, so based on the measure of ‘you’re as good as the company you keep’, he’s a massive fanny trumpet. |  |
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