| Flu and Covid jabs 09:35 - Aug 8 with 7450 views | DJR |
The Telegraph is reporting there won't be Covid jabs or free flu jabs in the autumn for those aged 50-64. Seems a retrograde step for someone like me (going on 64), and makes me think it is being done for cost-saving reasons, although it may well add to winter pressures, and so be a very false economy both in public health terms and additional costs to the NHS further down the line.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/07/flu-jabs-covid-boosters-scrapped-und [Post edited 8 Aug 2023 9:35]
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| Flu and Covid jabs on 12:54 - Aug 8 with 1761 views | StokieBlue |
| Flu and Covid jabs on 12:35 - Aug 8 by GlasgowBlue |
Nit going for a gotcha moment with this post Stokie but a couple of years ago you said that you would continue to wear a face mask in the winter months even though the government were no longer mandating people to do so, because it would reduce the risk of other respiratory illnesses.
Did you do so last winter and are you going to this winter?
It came into my head a few minutes ago as I was clearing out some draws and found a collection of face coverings, including my 1981 pinstripe ITFC mask. |
To be honest GB, given your post has nothing to do with what was being discussed it does look like a post made to be a "gotcha". If you were truly interested you could have sent me a PM given it's unrelated to the topic in the thread and specifically aimed at me.
To answer, I believe I specifically said we should all continue to wear masks "on public transport" and I did wear a mask for some of the winter after Omicron emerged but to be honest, one is made to feel like a pariah if they do so (one only has to read the posts of various members of this forum to see this) and thus I relented.
It's a real shame that as a society we can't make small changes like this for the greater good. Not only would it reduce one's own risk of illness but it would also lower the demands on a hugely stretched NHS.
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| Flu and Covid jabs on 13:00 - Aug 8 with 1737 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Flu and Covid jabs on 12:53 - Aug 8 by DJR |
My understanding is that vaccines lower the risk of catching the virus, and lessen its symptoms, although these effects are not guaranteed and wear off with time. Approaching the age of 64, I don't think that is a bad thing, however mild or harsh the virus might be for me without a vaccine.
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The vaccine will have no effect on a virus it has no effect on. That’s why the flu vaccine is largely a waste of time for everybody - but can’t do much harm. If you’ve had Covid in the last few months you don’t need a vaccine that may not even protect you against the variant you’ve just had. You’ve already got strong immunity for a few months - though again it can’t do much harm.
Vaccines are hugely expensive. And worth it if taken once for a lifetime of protection or a few years protection against something serious. Flu and Covid in its current form don’t have such vaccines though. It’s preposterous to think they could be made available free to all who don’t need them on the NHS. |  |
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| Flu and Covid jabs on 13:10 - Aug 8 with 1721 views | itfc_bucks |
I've been offered a jab. 38 years old. Very mild asthma, which I manage because I run silly races in the middle of nowhere, with little/no medical support.
Bit of a waste sending one my way, rather than to the OP... [Post edited 8 Aug 2023 13:11]
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| Flu and Covid jabs on 13:12 - Aug 8 with 1716 views | DJR |
The interim recommendations of the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control in April 2023 suggested 60 as the cut-off. This is their recommendation, which suggest 60 has real benefits but 50 doesn't make much difference.
"An autumn 2023 vaccination campaign with an optimistic scenario of high vaccine uptake among individuals aged 60 years and above as a target group is expected to prevent an estimated 21−32% of the cumulative total all-age COVID-19-related hospitalisations across EU/EEA countries until 28 February 2024. The incremental gains in prevention are larger when targeting individuals aged 60 years and above instead of 80 years and above. The gains in prevention are similar, irrespective of whether individuals aged 50 years and above or 60 years and above are targeted."
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/interim-public-health-considerat | | | |
| Flu and Covid jabs on 13:12 - Aug 8 with 1713 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Flu and Covid jabs on 10:18 - Aug 8 by DJR |
I didn't think you could buy a Covid vaccine. |
Michelle Mone's company will no doubt be offering them for £99 within 2 weeks... |  | | |
| Flu and Covid jabs on 13:14 - Aug 8 with 1704 views | DJR |
| Flu and Covid jabs on 13:00 - Aug 8 by ElephantintheRoom |
The vaccine will have no effect on a virus it has no effect on. That’s why the flu vaccine is largely a waste of time for everybody - but can’t do much harm. If you’ve had Covid in the last few months you don’t need a vaccine that may not even protect you against the variant you’ve just had. You’ve already got strong immunity for a few months - though again it can’t do much harm.
Vaccines are hugely expensive. And worth it if taken once for a lifetime of protection or a few years protection against something serious. Flu and Covid in its current form don’t have such vaccines though. It’s preposterous to think they could be made available free to all who don’t need them on the NHS. |
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| Flu and Covid jabs on 13:16 - Aug 8 with 1697 views | DJR |
| Flu and Covid jabs on 13:10 - Aug 8 by itfc_bucks |
I've been offered a jab. 38 years old. Very mild asthma, which I manage because I run silly races in the middle of nowhere, with little/no medical support.
Bit of a waste sending one my way, rather than to the OP... [Post edited 8 Aug 2023 13:11]
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Very kind of you, but as someone with no known (although note the word known) underlying condition, I'm not asking for special treatment ahead of those with such a condition. [Post edited 8 Aug 2023 13:19]
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| Flu and Covid jabs on 13:19 - Aug 8 with 1687 views | itfc_bucks |
| Flu and Covid jabs on 13:16 - Aug 8 by DJR |
Very kind of you, but as someone with no known (although note the word known) underlying condition, I'm not asking for special treatment ahead of those with such a condition. [Post edited 8 Aug 2023 13:19]
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Nor am I, but objectively, the geezer in his mid thirties, who runs ultra marathons should be a fair way down the list of priorities... | | | |
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| Flu and Covid jabs on 13:21 - Aug 8 with 1678 views | DJR |
| Flu and Covid jabs on 13:19 - Aug 8 by itfc_bucks |
Nor am I, but objectively, the geezer in his mid thirties, who runs ultra marathons should be a fair way down the list of priorities... |
And I suppose when it comes to the over-60s in particular there may be many with an underlying health condition they know nothing about. [Post edited 8 Aug 2023 16:49]
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| Flu and Covid jabs on 13:32 - Aug 8 with 1657 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Flu and Covid jabs on 12:54 - Aug 8 by StokieBlue |
To be honest GB, given your post has nothing to do with what was being discussed it does look like a post made to be a "gotcha". If you were truly interested you could have sent me a PM given it's unrelated to the topic in the thread and specifically aimed at me.
To answer, I believe I specifically said we should all continue to wear masks "on public transport" and I did wear a mask for some of the winter after Omicron emerged but to be honest, one is made to feel like a pariah if they do so (one only has to read the posts of various members of this forum to see this) and thus I relented.
It's a real shame that as a society we can't make small changes like this for the greater good. Not only would it reduce one's own risk of illness but it would also lower the demands on a hugely stretched NHS.
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No I was genuinely interested. Like measures to reduce climate change, regardless of what others do, it always starts with the individual and I was genuinely interested to hear whether you had made that decision to continue with a face covering.
As it was a Covid related thread and I had just packed away a bunch of face coverings, plus your contribution, I thought it was the right place to ask.
We’d discussed it on a previous thread last summer, not via pm. [Post edited 8 Aug 2023 13:33]
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| Flu and Covid jabs on 14:06 - Aug 8 with 1598 views | blueasfook |
| Flu and Covid jabs on 12:54 - Aug 8 by StokieBlue |
To be honest GB, given your post has nothing to do with what was being discussed it does look like a post made to be a "gotcha". If you were truly interested you could have sent me a PM given it's unrelated to the topic in the thread and specifically aimed at me.
To answer, I believe I specifically said we should all continue to wear masks "on public transport" and I did wear a mask for some of the winter after Omicron emerged but to be honest, one is made to feel like a pariah if they do so (one only has to read the posts of various members of this forum to see this) and thus I relented.
It's a real shame that as a society we can't make small changes like this for the greater good. Not only would it reduce one's own risk of illness but it would also lower the demands on a hugely stretched NHS.
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I never wore a mask once. If challenged in shops or whatever, I used to just say I was asthmatic. I also used to breathe on the apples in Tesco just in case I was Covid positive. |  |
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| Flu and Covid jabs on 16:15 - Aug 8 with 1514 views | BlueBadger |
| Flu and Covid jabs on 09:49 - Aug 8 by Churchman |
It is a stupid false economy that doesn’t stand up to scrutiny at any level - just like most other things these leeches do. Immoral and idiotic.
Well, at least they can’t claim to be interested in public health and the well-being of the people at the next election, not that I ever thought this scum were.
Being in the same age bracket as you, I guess I’ll have to pay. What about those who can’t afford it? Oh I forgot, they should work harder, get on their bikes etc or die to decrease the surplus population. A cheap nod to Scrooge and A Christmas Carol but maybe the tories should read it, if they know how to, and learn something.
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The Tories base is now essentially made up of bigots, conspiracy loons and austerity obsessive. In hindsight they were always likely to do something like this. |  |
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| Flu and Covid jabs on 16:19 - Aug 8 with 1503 views | BlueBadger |
| Flu and Covid jabs on 11:53 - Aug 8 by DinDjarin |
I look after my health very well and am in top health across the board at 52 yrs old.
But have never had a flu or covid jab and never will. |
Those jabs were genuine game changers though. Particularly for the over-45's who covid was killing in masses.
And with worrying frequency post winter 2020 when vaccines were available in the unvaccinated population. [Post edited 8 Aug 2023 19:01]
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| Flu and Covid jabs on 16:25 - Aug 8 with 1503 views | BlueBadger |
| Flu and Covid jabs on 12:04 - Aug 8 by StokieBlue |
Covid was killing healthy individuals before the vaccines and the Omicron mutation. Another pandemic virus will likely do the same regardless of your state of health. For instance, Spanish Flu actually killed many healthy people in the 25 to 45 age bracket.
We know you don't like "big pharma" or vaccines but I don't think you should try and imply that being in "good health" is a substitute for vaccination. It's a view that is not supported by the science.
Obviously being in good health in general is a good head start for many not viral conditions such as heart disease etc and it "could" help with viruses but that is totally dependent on the virus itself.
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Worth also adding that the overwhelming majority of people in their 50's will have older parents, friends, neighbours and relations, know expectant mothers in the form of either adult children or the partners of their adult children or even have very young grandchildren, who will, be exposed to greater risk to their health from large numbers of unvaccinated people. Particularly in their immediate circle. [Post edited 8 Aug 2023 16:28]
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| Flu and Covid jabs on 17:59 - Aug 8 with 1462 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| Flu and Covid jabs on 11:48 - Aug 8 by GlasgowBlue |
I’m slap bang in the middle of that age group and I do find it funny to be described as being in a high risk group.
I run 30k every week, have excellent health and I’m fitter than most men half my age.
Which leads me off piste slightly, but when my old man was sixty he wouldn’t run 30 feet let alone 30 k and looked to me like an old man. Are we a much fitter and healthier generation? Looking back a generation further and Sid James looked about 70 when he was in his 40’s.
I feel like I could keep going the way I am for at least another then years and I’m sure there are loads of people my age who feel the same. |
Your fathers immune system was probably better than yours as the modern world has a fixation on super cleanliness ( antibacterial hand washes etc ). Children nowadays don't get a chance to tax their immune system hence the plethora of Autoimmune Diseases. Being fit has little or no effect on immunity. |  | | |
| Flu and Covid jabs on 20:07 - Aug 8 with 1397 views | DJR |
| Flu and Covid jabs on 12:54 - Aug 8 by StokieBlue |
To be honest GB, given your post has nothing to do with what was being discussed it does look like a post made to be a "gotcha". If you were truly interested you could have sent me a PM given it's unrelated to the topic in the thread and specifically aimed at me.
To answer, I believe I specifically said we should all continue to wear masks "on public transport" and I did wear a mask for some of the winter after Omicron emerged but to be honest, one is made to feel like a pariah if they do so (one only has to read the posts of various members of this forum to see this) and thus I relented.
It's a real shame that as a society we can't make small changes like this for the greater good. Not only would it reduce one's own risk of illness but it would also lower the demands on a hugely stretched NHS.
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Since wearing a mask made one a bit of a pariah, I have tended to use other methods when on crowded public transport, such as covering my mouth with a hand in a subtle sort of way.
At the end of the day, I don't really want to catch anything (cold, sickness bug, covid etc) in such situations.
As it is, one of those I sit with has caught Covid and will be missing the Bristol Rovers game. [Post edited 8 Aug 2023 20:08]
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| Flu and Covid jabs on 20:15 - Aug 8 with 1382 views | StokieBlue |
| Flu and Covid jabs on 14:06 - Aug 8 by blueasfook |
I never wore a mask once. If challenged in shops or whatever, I used to just say I was asthmatic. I also used to breathe on the apples in Tesco just in case I was Covid positive. |
Classy stuff.
Let's not forget, 250,000 died in this country and probably many forum posters lost people close to them but you carry on and have a laugh.
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| Flu and Covid jabs on 20:18 - Aug 8 with 1362 views | DJR |
| Flu and Covid jabs on 20:15 - Aug 8 by StokieBlue |
Classy stuff.
Let's not forget, 250,000 died in this country and probably many forum posters lost people close to them but you carry on and have a laugh.
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My mother did, but I thought the comment was beneath contempt, so didn't respond to the bait. [Post edited 8 Aug 2023 20:19]
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| Flu and Covid jabs on 01:38 - Aug 9 with 1270 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| Flu and Covid jabs on 10:34 - Aug 8 by blueasfook |
I get them (flu jabs) from my employer. They have a doctor come in October usually and we all get jabbed. I also have private health care now. I've pretty much given up with the NHS. Can't even get an appointment to see a GP. |
The loading has begun.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/aug/07/nhs-crisis-presents-business-op
Seems AXA have got in before the Americans to benefit from the lucrative part of the NHS ( they just bought nearly 30% of the Irish Private Health market also ).
Maybe I will get cheaper car insurance... but I doubt it | | | |
| Flu and Covid jabs on 07:27 - Aug 9 with 1233 views | DJR |
The problem with the private sector is that it creams off the easy work, and leaves anything difficult to the NHS. Indeed, if it cocks up a procedure, it will be NHS which comes to the rescue. | | | |
| Flu and Covid jabs on 08:25 - Aug 9 with 1205 views | Wickets |
| Flu and Covid jabs on 11:54 - Aug 8 by DJR |
I have no issue with that at all, but I am not sure it disproves my point. [Post edited 8 Aug 2023 11:55]
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Or any point whatsoever! I'm 75 very fit except for a few aches and pains and always take every jab and precautions offered ! |  | | |
| Flu and Covid jabs on 09:19 - Aug 9 with 1168 views | DJR |
| Flu and Covid jabs on 08:25 - Aug 9 by Wickets |
Or any point whatsoever! I'm 75 very fit except for a few aches and pains and always take every jab and precautions offered ! |
The sad thing is that all the disinformation appears to be leading to a drop-off in vaccinations more generally.
Indeed, I heard it reported recently that an unvaccinated child from a European country reintroduced (I think)) measles to a developing country which had managed to wipe out the disease. | | | |
| Flu and Covid jabs on 09:27 - Aug 9 with 1157 views | StokieBlue |
| Flu and Covid jabs on 09:19 - Aug 9 by DJR |
The sad thing is that all the disinformation appears to be leading to a drop-off in vaccinations more generally.
Indeed, I heard it reported recently that an unvaccinated child from a European country reintroduced (I think)) measles to a developing country which had managed to wipe out the disease. |
It's a huge problem, unfortunately many people seem to like believing the nonsense side of the "but both sides argument". I guess with regards to measles it started with Wakefield's discredited and fraudulent paper.
With regards to measles, there is a problem brewing in many large cities including London and New York.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jul/14/measles-outbreak-risk-london-uk-
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