| Russell Brand 23:28 - Sep 15 with 45629 views | _clive_baker_ |
Big weekend for him then |  | | |  |
| Russell Brand on 16:28 - Sep 19 with 2818 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Russell Brand on 14:50 - Sep 19 by itfcjoe |
No one will ever see Brands evidence, it simply won’t be presented |
Well if it isn't then he's bang-to-rights.
What makes you think it won't be presented? It would be a bit odd to say you have contradictory evidence and then not present it, particularly when you have your own YouTube channel. |  |
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| Russell Brand on 16:31 - Sep 19 with 2796 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Russell Brand on 14:55 - Sep 19 by Herbivore |
He was given a week or so to respond to Dispatches and the Times and he could have provided counter evidence then. Instead he decided to ignore them and make a YouTube video claiming a conspiracy against him. |
Where have you seen he was given a week or so to respond to Dispatches and the Times? I've not seen this. He posted his denial the day before the programme aired, which suggests he had very little time to respond. | |
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| Russell Brand on 16:35 - Sep 19 with 2768 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Russell Brand on 14:40 - Sep 19 by The_Flashing_Smile |
An ad hominem attack, the refuge of someone losing an argument. Shame, as this was an interesting debate.
Yes I was a fan of Brand but this was literally years ago. I haven't watched his videos in years (apart from the latest denial one) and didn't even know he's an anti-vaxer these days, which as I'm sure you know is completely against my own views.
If you think news and media outlets don't have agendas you're as mad as a barrel of frogs. None of this means I'm saying investigative journalism isn't important - I'm on the side of truth and finding better ways to protect women than what we have. When they'd rather speak to a journalist than the police, something's very wrong IMO.
EDIT: Just to add, you talk about "the allegations being made and the evidence supporting them" and yet you haven't seen Brand's supposed evidence yet. This is a very important point, and something you do get in a court of law - both sides. [Post edited 19 Sep 2023 14:45]
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Classic Herbs. Don't have an answer, fire a down arrow. Brilliant debating with you. | |
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| Russell Brand on 16:36 - Sep 19 with 2767 views | Herbivore |
| Russell Brand on 16:31 - Sep 19 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Where have you seen he was given a week or so to respond to Dispatches and the Times? I've not seen this. He posted his denial the day before the programme aired, which suggests he had very little time to respond. |
It was in the Dispatches documentary. Have you actually watched it? |  |
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| Russell Brand on 16:40 - Sep 19 with 2732 views | Kievthegreat |
| Russell Brand on 16:36 - Sep 19 by Herbivore |
It was in the Dispatches documentary. Have you actually watched it? |
It's also how he knew to make his video trying to get out in front of the story! It's the risk all good investigative journalists face that by being thorough and fair. They give the subject a chance to try and shape the narrative by giving them a right of reply. |  | | |
| Russell Brand on 16:48 - Sep 19 with 2700 views | Herbivore |
| Russell Brand on 16:35 - Sep 19 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Classic Herbs. Don't have an answer, fire a down arrow. Brilliant debating with you. |
There's nothing more to say and your response was churlish, hence the down arrow. | |
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| Russell Brand on 16:49 - Sep 19 with 2684 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Russell Brand on 16:36 - Sep 19 by Herbivore |
It was in the Dispatches documentary. Have you actually watched it? |
I did watch it. I didn't see a bit where they gave him a week to respond. | |
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| Russell Brand on 16:50 - Sep 19 with 2693 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Russell Brand on 16:40 - Sep 19 by Kievthegreat |
It's also how he knew to make his video trying to get out in front of the story! It's the risk all good investigative journalists face that by being thorough and fair. They give the subject a chance to try and shape the narrative by giving them a right of reply. |
Lets be honest, he's known this was coming and been looking over his shoulder for a long time. Over the past 5 years or so, I'd imagine that several 'high profile' men have been reflecting on their pasts knowing their conscience isn't completely clean and a chicken could soon be coming home to roost. |  | | |
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| Russell Brand on 16:52 - Sep 19 with 2676 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Russell Brand on 16:48 - Sep 19 by Herbivore |
There's nothing more to say and your response was churlish, hence the down arrow. |
Churlish? Bit rich given I was responding to your ad hominem attack.
There's at least 3 points in there you've decided to swerve. [Post edited 19 Sep 2023 16:54]
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| Russell Brand on 17:04 - Sep 19 with 2645 views | Kievthegreat |
| Russell Brand on 16:49 - Sep 19 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I did watch it. I didn't see a bit where they gave him a week to respond. |
1:15
"A week after being being asked to respond to the allegations in this film, Brand posted this video..."
*cut to Brand's youtube video* | | | |
| Russell Brand on 17:17 - Sep 19 with 2608 views | Mullet |
| Russell Brand on 14:55 - Sep 19 by Herbivore |
He was given a week or so to respond to Dispatches and the Times and he could have provided counter evidence then. Instead he decided to ignore them and make a YouTube video claiming a conspiracy against him. |
8 days the journalist said yesterday on the news. |  |
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| Russell Brand on 17:19 - Sep 19 with 2604 views | Mullet |
| Russell Brand on 16:40 - Sep 19 by Kievthegreat |
It's also how he knew to make his video trying to get out in front of the story! It's the risk all good investigative journalists face that by being thorough and fair. They give the subject a chance to try and shape the narrative by giving them a right of reply. |
A classic tactic of groomers too. Build an audience (literally in this case) who will defend you and discredit the evidence and people presenting it every turn.
Same as used by Trump et al. with their "alternative media" delusion and toxicity. | |
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| Russell Brand on 17:25 - Sep 19 with 2585 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Russell Brand on 17:04 - Sep 19 by Kievthegreat |
1:15
"A week after being being asked to respond to the allegations in this film, Brand posted this video..."
*cut to Brand's youtube video* |
Fair enough, I obviously missed that bit.
Let's see what, if any, evidence he has. As I've said, if he doesn't release any after saying he has it then he's caught bang to rights in my book (not that I don't think he is already, just this will unequivocally confirm it). | |
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| Russell Brand on 16:30 - Sep 20 with 1966 views | Whos_blue |
Bizarre indeed. Other than several inevitable digs at the BBC and lefties I'm not sure I've come away particularly enlightened.
I haven't engaged with this thread yet but I would say that I was probably a bit in thrall with Brand back in the day
I thought he was different and sometimes had something to say that I wanted to hear.
However, he drifted in to bellend teritory some time ago.
The allegations are terrible, but I do want him to be heard.
Not because I support him in anyway, but I want to see effective justice rather than our (society) judge and jury routine. |  |
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| Russell Brand on 17:05 - Sep 20 with 1903 views | pointofblue |
May be misreading but she almost seems to be calling herself a hypocrite - hauling Brand over the coals for Sachsgate when he seemed on the political left but now defending him as he's on the right? | |
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| Russell Brand on 17:42 - Sep 20 with 1871 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
I don't have a problem with it personally, seems a fair and balanced piece. | |
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| Russell Brand on 17:54 - Sep 20 with 1840 views | gordon |
Apologies if it's already been said, but one of the really sad things about all this is just how talentless, unfunny, and witless he is. On his radio show when he interacts with people (without any script, or the possibility to wave his hands around etc etc), he's just mind-bogglingly dull. The same with his opinions about politics, when he was a big deal a few years ago - his opinions were equivalent to those of a precocious GCSE student.
It's a really sad reflection on society that someone whose only redeeming feature (from the perspective of a broadcaster/publisher etc) was the possibility that they might say or do something sexually inappropriate became such a big star. |  | | |
| Russell Brand on 19:37 - Sep 20 with 1762 views | DJR |
| Russell Brand on 17:42 - Sep 20 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I don't have a problem with it personally, seems a fair and balanced piece. |
I'm not sure I've ever heard the words "fair", "balanced", "Allison" and "Pearson" in the same sentence!
She's certainly changed from the time she used to be rather uncontroversial on the BBC 2 arts' programme, the Late Show. [Post edited 20 Sep 2023 19:40]
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| Russell Brand on 20:17 - Sep 20 with 1714 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Russell Brand on 19:37 - Sep 20 by DJR |
I'm not sure I've ever heard the words "fair", "balanced", "Allison" and "Pearson" in the same sentence!
She's certainly changed from the time she used to be rather uncontroversial on the BBC 2 arts' programme, the Late Show. [Post edited 20 Sep 2023 19:40]
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I've never heard of her TBH. | |
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| Russell Brand on 20:25 - Sep 20 with 1687 views | Herbivore |
| Russell Brand on 17:42 - Sep 20 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I don't have a problem with it personally, seems a fair and balanced piece. |
There's a surprise. | |
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| Russell Brand on 20:27 - Sep 20 with 1684 views | Herbivore |
| Russell Brand on 17:54 - Sep 20 by gordon |
Apologies if it's already been said, but one of the really sad things about all this is just how talentless, unfunny, and witless he is. On his radio show when he interacts with people (without any script, or the possibility to wave his hands around etc etc), he's just mind-bogglingly dull. The same with his opinions about politics, when he was a big deal a few years ago - his opinions were equivalent to those of a precocious GCSE student.
It's a really sad reflection on society that someone whose only redeeming feature (from the perspective of a broadcaster/publisher etc) was the possibility that they might say or do something sexually inappropriate became such a big star. |
He's not especially bright, eloquent, or witty. He's a dumb person's impression of a loquacious gadabout. | |
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| Russell Brand on 20:31 - Sep 20 with 1667 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Russell Brand on 20:25 - Sep 20 by Herbivore |
There's a surprise. |
What's the point of engaging with me? Is it just to look cool in front of your 'mates'? | |
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| Russell Brand on 20:35 - Sep 20 with 1656 views | Herbivore |
| Russell Brand on 20:31 - Sep 20 by The_Flashing_Smile |
What's the point of engaging with me? Is it just to look cool in front of your 'mates'? |
I don't have any 'mates' on here. I mainly respond to you when I feel your nonsense goes beyond the pale, otherwise I just try to ignore you. | |
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