| Russell Brand 23:28 - Sep 15 with 45628 views | _clive_baker_ |
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| FAO Dubtractor on 09:23 - Sep 18 with 3819 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| FAO Dubtractor on 10:21 - Sep 17 by Herbivore |
I think I was on sabbatical for the Badenoch stuff but I remember pulling him up for comments about both Carrie and Boris Johnson. The fat shaming stuff of Boris, whilst not as bad as the misogyny, was always unnecessary and unpleasant. |
Fat shaming and misogyny you say?
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| FAO Dubtractor on 09:46 - Sep 18 with 3738 views | Herbivore |
| FAO Dubtractor on 09:23 - Sep 18 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Fat shaming and misogyny you say?
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Crikey, trawling back through over three years of posts for a gotcha. I regret that, I should have just gone with evil. [Post edited 18 Sep 2023 9:46]
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| Russell Brand on 10:37 - Sep 18 with 3621 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Russell Brand on 20:40 - Sep 16 by Steve_M |
Fascinating who is willing to defend Brand without even looking at the detailed allegations.
The whole Andrew Sachs thing was a massive red flag a long time ago too. |
It was a massive red flag. And I remember getting poo pooed at the time on here for condemning Brand and Ross at the time. If I recall correctly, the defence of Brand from his fanboys in here was that more people complained about the incident than actually heard it.
This also calls into question Miliband’s judgement going to Brand’s home begging for an endorsement on the even of the 2015 general election with the knowledge of the Sachs incident. |  |
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| Russell Brand on 11:28 - Sep 18 with 3531 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Russell Brand on 10:37 - Sep 18 by GlasgowBlue |
It was a massive red flag. And I remember getting poo pooed at the time on here for condemning Brand and Ross at the time. If I recall correctly, the defence of Brand from his fanboys in here was that more people complained about the incident than actually heard it.
This also calls into question Miliband’s judgement going to Brand’s home begging for an endorsement on the even of the 2015 general election with the knowledge of the Sachs incident. |
It was true though, there were more complaints after the event was reported than from people listening to it as it aired.
I really don't think it's a red flag or remotely comparable to the latest allegations. The Sachs incident was two silly men getting out of hand on an answerphone message. Ross was more the culprit - blurting out "He f-ed your grandaughter" when Brand was going to leave a much different, non-offensive message, and then it got out of hand as they one-upped each other for comedic effect.
It was unplanned and spur of the moment - but also not live. So the other bizarre thing is once everyone had calmed down the production team decided it was fine to put out.
And again, I don't think any of this relates to the current allegations. [Post edited 18 Sep 2023 11:29]
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| Russell Brand on 11:54 - Sep 18 with 3462 views | blueasfook |
He's been hiding in plain sight for many years really. Most of his memoirs seem to be about his "shagging exploits" and he openly brags about this in interviews and articles.
If he has sexually assaulted women then it needs to become a police matter, and the women involved need to make formal criminal complaints. |  |
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| Russell Brand on 12:02 - Sep 18 with 3424 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Russell Brand on 11:54 - Sep 18 by blueasfook |
He's been hiding in plain sight for many years really. Most of his memoirs seem to be about his "shagging exploits" and he openly brags about this in interviews and articles.
If he has sexually assaulted women then it needs to become a police matter, and the women involved need to make formal criminal complaints. |
Have you read the memoirs? They're mostly about mental health problems, loneliness/being an outsider, not having a father and then drug addiction, with sex addiction and a quest for fame as things to fill the void after drugs, particularly the first book. They're not really "about his shagging exploits". | |
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| Russell Brand on 12:02 - Sep 18 with 3418 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Russell Brand on 11:54 - Sep 18 by blueasfook |
He's been hiding in plain sight for many years really. Most of his memoirs seem to be about his "shagging exploits" and he openly brags about this in interviews and articles.
If he has sexually assaulted women then it needs to become a police matter, and the women involved need to make formal criminal complaints. |
I was surprised that there have been no complaints about him given how this has blown up. We seem to play everything out in the news/social media these days. But then again, maybe this will encourage people to come forward if they have been abused by him. |  |
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| Russell Brand on 12:33 - Sep 18 with 3343 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Russell Brand on 12:02 - Sep 18 by Swansea_Blue |
I was surprised that there have been no complaints about him given how this has blown up. We seem to play everything out in the news/social media these days. But then again, maybe this will encourage people to come forward if they have been abused by him. |
This is precisely what is going on. The exact nature of the documentary was suppressed for a while, but at various points the suggestion was that the scope went beyond Brand.
Dispatches are clearly sitting on more, but it seems clear to me that they are hoping for a response similar to what happened with Weinstein, now that these women have come forward and spoken out. The documentary included a female production assistant who said that at the peak he was having sex with 5 different women a day.
This was the biggest open secret in comedy, and as I said in another post, there was a list circulated on closed Comedy Imdustry Facebook groups of other comedians and promoters, which I saw. The documentary referred to female comics swapping information via WhatsApp, too.
There will be a follow up from Dispatches, whether about Brand, or the wider comedy industry, I am sure. |  | | |
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| Russell Brand on 13:17 - Sep 18 with 3246 views | lowhouseblue |
| Russell Brand on 12:02 - Sep 18 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Have you read the memoirs? They're mostly about mental health problems, loneliness/being an outsider, not having a father and then drug addiction, with sex addiction and a quest for fame as things to fill the void after drugs, particularly the first book. They're not really "about his shagging exploits". |
perhaps, consciously or sub-consciously, he was getting his excuses in early? |  |
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| Russell Brand on 13:36 - Sep 18 with 3185 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Russell Brand on 13:17 - Sep 18 by lowhouseblue |
perhaps, consciously or sub-consciously, he was getting his excuses in early? |
That seems a bit of a stretch. He talks about sex addiction rather than abuse of women (obviously one could follow the other, but it's not a given) and all this had already happened, so it's not getting excuses in early. Unless you're suggesting he planned to do worse in the following 16 years. | |
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| Russell Brand on 13:37 - Sep 18 with 3178 views | blueasfook |
| Russell Brand on 12:33 - Sep 18 by ArnoldMoorhen |
This is precisely what is going on. The exact nature of the documentary was suppressed for a while, but at various points the suggestion was that the scope went beyond Brand.
Dispatches are clearly sitting on more, but it seems clear to me that they are hoping for a response similar to what happened with Weinstein, now that these women have come forward and spoken out. The documentary included a female production assistant who said that at the peak he was having sex with 5 different women a day.
This was the biggest open secret in comedy, and as I said in another post, there was a list circulated on closed Comedy Imdustry Facebook groups of other comedians and promoters, which I saw. The documentary referred to female comics swapping information via WhatsApp, too.
There will be a follow up from Dispatches, whether about Brand, or the wider comedy industry, I am sure. |
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| FAO Dubtractor on 13:41 - Sep 18 with 3163 views | blueasfook |
| FAO Dubtractor on 09:48 - Sep 17 by GlasgowBlue |
I’ll have to respectfully disagree with you dubbers. When I was pulling him fur sone of the racist remarks he aimed at the likes of Badenoch on here over a year ago I was told that if I was more offended by Harry’s attacks on Tories rather than what the Tories were doing to the country then it said an awful lot more about me than Harry.
He was indulged by a certain section of people in here because of who he was aiming his remarks at. It’s only been noticed more recently because he’s widened his net somewhat.
Racist remarks aimed at Badenoch were tolerated because, well it was Badenoch. Misogynist posts aimed at Carrie Johnson were tolerated because, well it it was Boris Johnson’s wife. [Post edited 17 Sep 2023 9:50]
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Any arguments he makes are instantly diminished by the use of personal insults he throws in. I tend to ignore him now cos you know you're not going to get a decent debate with him, just labelled a "righty thicko" if you disagree with him. | |
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| Russell Brand on 13:45 - Sep 18 with 3145 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Russell Brand on 12:33 - Sep 18 by ArnoldMoorhen |
This is precisely what is going on. The exact nature of the documentary was suppressed for a while, but at various points the suggestion was that the scope went beyond Brand.
Dispatches are clearly sitting on more, but it seems clear to me that they are hoping for a response similar to what happened with Weinstein, now that these women have come forward and spoken out. The documentary included a female production assistant who said that at the peak he was having sex with 5 different women a day.
This was the biggest open secret in comedy, and as I said in another post, there was a list circulated on closed Comedy Imdustry Facebook groups of other comedians and promoters, which I saw. The documentary referred to female comics swapping information via WhatsApp, too.
There will be a follow up from Dispatches, whether about Brand, or the wider comedy industry, I am sure. |
Cheers, as I'm not reading anything about him so all I know is what's being posted on here. I'm in a weird position of not giving a sh*t about all the gossip, but also hoping that if he has been a predator then any victims do actually get taken seriously and he's held to account. | |
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| Russell Brand on 14:05 - Sep 18 with 3102 views | itfcjoe |
| Russell Brand on 11:54 - Sep 18 by blueasfook |
He's been hiding in plain sight for many years really. Most of his memoirs seem to be about his "shagging exploits" and he openly brags about this in interviews and articles.
If he has sexually assaulted women then it needs to become a police matter, and the women involved need to make formal criminal complaints. |
I guess they won't because why would a woman want to put herself through everything that will come with this? Having a highly paid legal team pore over every part of her life and every sexual encounter she's ever had or what she's worn on nights out, or ex-boyfriends paid to spill what she is like in the bedroom etc to build a character of her.
And that's before you mention his army of social media followers who already think this is a big witchhunt because he has disagreed with covid vaccines, and the mainstream media etc. Their lives will be hell, he'll quietly get away with it and continue to grift on social media platforms |  |
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| Russell Brand on 14:06 - Sep 18 with 3085 views | lowhouseblue |
| Russell Brand on 13:36 - Sep 18 by The_Flashing_Smile |
That seems a bit of a stretch. He talks about sex addiction rather than abuse of women (obviously one could follow the other, but it's not a given) and all this had already happened, so it's not getting excuses in early. Unless you're suggesting he planned to do worse in the following 16 years. |
perhaps it will turn out that he wasn't a "sex addict" and instead he was just a misogynist and serial sex assaulter? i certainly don't know. | |
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| Russell Brand on 14:10 - Sep 18 with 3055 views | itfcjoe |
| Russell Brand on 11:28 - Sep 18 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It was true though, there were more complaints after the event was reported than from people listening to it as it aired.
I really don't think it's a red flag or remotely comparable to the latest allegations. The Sachs incident was two silly men getting out of hand on an answerphone message. Ross was more the culprit - blurting out "He f-ed your grandaughter" when Brand was going to leave a much different, non-offensive message, and then it got out of hand as they one-upped each other for comedic effect.
It was unplanned and spur of the moment - but also not live. So the other bizarre thing is once everyone had calmed down the production team decided it was fine to put out.
And again, I don't think any of this relates to the current allegations. [Post edited 18 Sep 2023 11:29]
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The production team also let the podcast come out, and then they let his show go out live, and then the podcast for that went out before the complaints started and the BBC reacted to it.
I'd agree with it not being a 'red flag', at the time Sachs' Granddaughter was in a group called the Satanic Sluts and he was the most promiscuous person on the celebrity scene. I'm sure she may look back on it now with regret, and how his and JR's actions made it blow up like it did, will obviously temper that. But everyone looks back at mistakes they made when they were young and a different person but doesn't mean it wasn't consensual and what they wanted at the time | |
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| Russell Brand on 14:45 - Sep 18 with 2969 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| Russell Brand on 11:28 - Sep 18 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It was true though, there were more complaints after the event was reported than from people listening to it as it aired.
I really don't think it's a red flag or remotely comparable to the latest allegations. The Sachs incident was two silly men getting out of hand on an answerphone message. Ross was more the culprit - blurting out "He f-ed your grandaughter" when Brand was going to leave a much different, non-offensive message, and then it got out of hand as they one-upped each other for comedic effect.
It was unplanned and spur of the moment - but also not live. So the other bizarre thing is once everyone had calmed down the production team decided it was fine to put out.
And again, I don't think any of this relates to the current allegations. [Post edited 18 Sep 2023 11:29]
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Another possible red flag conversation that got past the production team.
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| Russell Brand on 15:10 - Sep 18 with 2900 views | bluelagos |
| Russell Brand on 12:02 - Sep 18 by Swansea_Blue |
I was surprised that there have been no complaints about him given how this has blown up. We seem to play everything out in the news/social media these days. But then again, maybe this will encourage people to come forward if they have been abused by him. |
Seems there have been complaints. Here is one example where a complaint was effectively silenced on the back of legal action by RBs lawyer
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2014/sep/11/russell-brand-jemima-khan-masseu |  |
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| Russell Brand on 15:16 - Sep 18 with 2855 views | Ryorry |
| Russell Brand on 13:45 - Sep 18 by Swansea_Blue |
Cheers, as I'm not reading anything about him so all I know is what's being posted on here. I'm in a weird position of not giving a sh*t about all the gossip, but also hoping that if he has been a predator then any victims do actually get taken seriously and he's held to account. |
Likewise, take same position - which I don’t think is weird btw! [Post edited 18 Sep 2023 15:19]
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| Russell Brand on 15:48 - Sep 18 with 2773 views | noggin |
| Russell Brand on 13:45 - Sep 18 by Swansea_Blue |
Cheers, as I'm not reading anything about him so all I know is what's being posted on here. I'm in a weird position of not giving a sh*t about all the gossip, but also hoping that if he has been a predator then any victims do actually get taken seriously and he's held to account. |
Same here. I just don't know how these assaults can be proven after so many years. |  |
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| Russell Brand on 16:44 - Sep 18 with 2668 views | pointofblue |
| Russell Brand on 14:05 - Sep 18 by itfcjoe |
I guess they won't because why would a woman want to put herself through everything that will come with this? Having a highly paid legal team pore over every part of her life and every sexual encounter she's ever had or what she's worn on nights out, or ex-boyfriends paid to spill what she is like in the bedroom etc to build a character of her.
And that's before you mention his army of social media followers who already think this is a big witchhunt because he has disagreed with covid vaccines, and the mainstream media etc. Their lives will be hell, he'll quietly get away with it and continue to grift on social media platforms |
Whilst I understand that, it is also a case of trial via social media now. Brand has not been charged or sentenced with anything but most seem certain he is guilty, and others certain of his innocence. Allegations like this should be decided in court, not via the populace online. And perhaps the starting point is the Home Office looking at the way rape and sexual trials are run, so they're as fair towards the alleged victim and the accused. | |
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| Russell Brand on 17:11 - Sep 18 with 2600 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Russell Brand on 16:44 - Sep 18 by pointofblue |
Whilst I understand that, it is also a case of trial via social media now. Brand has not been charged or sentenced with anything but most seem certain he is guilty, and others certain of his innocence. Allegations like this should be decided in court, not via the populace online. And perhaps the starting point is the Home Office looking at the way rape and sexual trials are run, so they're as fair towards the alleged victim and the accused. |
Indeed. Seems like with the line "get away with it" Joe has made his mind up.
I'm not claiming he's innocent either, I'd just rather all this was done in a court of law than by journalists/social media. | |
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| Russell Brand on 17:14 - Sep 18 with 2578 views | Herbivore |
| Russell Brand on 17:11 - Sep 18 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Indeed. Seems like with the line "get away with it" Joe has made his mind up.
I'm not claiming he's innocent either, I'd just rather all this was done in a court of law than by journalists/social media. |
Have a look at the conviction rate for rapists and the horrible things victims have to go through as part of the process and it's not hard to understand why victims might be reluctant to go to the police. | |
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| Russell Brand on 17:24 - Sep 18 with 2554 views | Mullet |
| Russell Brand on 14:45 - Sep 18 by Eireannach_gorm |
Another possible red flag conversation that got past the production team.
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| Russell Brand on 17:24 - Sep 18 with 2553 views | DJR |
| Russell Brand on 17:11 - Sep 18 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Indeed. Seems like with the line "get away with it" Joe has made his mind up.
I'm not claiming he's innocent either, I'd just rather all this was done in a court of law than by journalists/social media. |
Whilst I agree with you say in principle, it has to be acknowledged that stories such as this (which I can't say I am following that closely) often bring forward more victims, meaning it more likely that at least some of the victims will be willing to put their head above the parapet and press charges because there is strength in numbers.
From recollection, this is what happened in the case of Harvey Weinstein. [Post edited 18 Sep 2023 17:29]
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