| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 17:52 - Oct 19 with 1420 views | factual_blue |
| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 15:22 - Oct 19 by Ewan_Oozami |
Not going to reply to any specific post on this thread but what I don't understand about the police and crime reports like this is, why don't they send a drone with a 4k camera and sound recording in to assess the scene first and respond appropriately? Much cheaper and less risky than piling in with an ARU I would have thought? |
I would guess their argument would be that in the time it's taken for the drone to check it out, a real gunman could shoot a dozen people.
Whether or not that's a valid argument I leave to others. |  |
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| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 17:54 - Oct 19 with 1416 views | Cornette |
| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 17:19 - Oct 19 by matteoblue |
England, 2023 |
Your understanding of your location and the year is outstanding. Well done.
If you can tell me who the president is, I'll let you be on your way, sir. [Post edited 19 Oct 2023 17:55]
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| It's triple cheese, extra cheese, mayo, pickles, onions ONLY, large fry, with a Sprite, you dumb bitch! |
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| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 18:09 - Oct 19 with 1367 views | Crawfordsboot |
| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 16:09 - Oct 19 by leitrimblue |
Would you like to point out where I have mentioned nasty police in my post?
It's not a narrative that the Met rammed a 13 year old boy off his bike and pointed guns at him for holding a water pistol it's a fact.
You could point to the difficulties the police have in doing such a job as mitigating factors but there is no point pretending that this event didn't happen |
Of course this event happened however it is also a fact that the boy was knocked from his bike because the police received a report that he was pointing a gun.
In the circumstances their actions appear perfectly reasonable and proportionate. |  | | |
| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 18:14 - Oct 19 with 1360 views | HankScorpio |
| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 18:09 - Oct 19 by Crawfordsboot |
Of course this event happened however it is also a fact that the boy was knocked from his bike because the police received a report that he was pointing a gun.
In the circumstances their actions appear perfectly reasonable and proportionate. |
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| I expect nothing from you, except to die and be a very cheap funeral. |
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| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 18:43 - Oct 19 with 1316 views | eireblue |
This made me giggle
“Specialist officers are trained on specific tactics including using vehicles to bring cyclists to a stop.”
In my experience, that isn’t really a specialism. |  | | |
| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 19:01 - Oct 19 with 1279 views | bazza |
It just showed the water pistol On the news, they should sue the company that makes water pistols
That look like replica hand guns .. crazy, no wonder they thought it was real. |  | | |
| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 19:47 - Oct 19 with 1227 views | lowhouseblue |
| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 19:01 - Oct 19 by bazza |
It just showed the water pistol On the news, they should sue the company that makes water pistols
That look like replica hand guns .. crazy, no wonder they thought it was real. |
it seems to be this:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Electric-Powered-Automatic-Rechargeable-Birthday/dp/B0C |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 19:56 - Oct 19 with 1194 views | bazza |
He’s lucky he didn’t get shot going round waving that about .. why would anyone even make a water pistol that looks like that. Utter Madness | | | |
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| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 09:47 - Oct 21 with 976 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 19:56 - Oct 19 by bazza |
He’s lucky he didn’t get shot going round waving that about .. why would anyone even make a water pistol that looks like that. Utter Madness |
There is a valid point that toys should be more obviously toys but others have pointed out that real weapons are being deliberately made to look like toys so it doesn't entirely solve the problem. The Amazon link above is interesting as it claims the target audience for it is adults.
However, the real issue in all this is whether the context was properly assessed by those who should be experts in all this. The fact nobody thought (until the press publicised it) that this needed some investigation is astounding. Further, the idea from you and others on this thread that we ought to live in a shoot first, ask questions later culture is worrying. Yes, armed police have a difficult and dangerous job, but they should be able to react calmly and rationally due to their training.
Is it possible that, with all their training, the only way the situation could be fully assessed is by knocking the boy off his bike and pointing multiple lethal weapons at him? Is it possible that it further required him to be handcuffed afterwards? Without being there we probably don't know. The point of the investigation will be to find out from those eyewitnesses (and body/dash cam footage if it hasn't been deleted by now) whether this is so. Further, perhaps it will help prevent the same response to a similar situation in the future. |  |
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