We really need a new striker in Jan 14:34 - Oct 29 with 15355 views | textbackup | Potentially most important bit of business since Stewart |  |
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Good post Biggers on 14:02 - Oct 30 with 2619 views | Dyland |
We really need a new striker in Jan on 13:04 - Oct 30 by BigCommon | Thinking outside the box a bit. There's a noticeable drop off when Hirst come off. But is it entirely down to Hirst leaving the pitch?... You could argue, that we've started losing the MF a bit, as Mass Morsy and even Chappers tire, at around the same minutes mark. And we've been more or less forced to hit it longer , rather than play through the lines. Which, lets be fare to Scarlett, doesn't really suit his game... I think its equally important, that we bolster the spine of the team, just for the energy needed to control the game more in the latter stages.. We've got one credible Mass/Morsy replacement, in Taylor. But even then, he's not quite up to the standard, in terms of positioning and reading the game, imo.... Thought the fitness levels of Bristol City and Plymouth, were off the scale. It's not often we look the more ragged towards the end of games than the oppo'... I'd also throw in, that Davis is looking a bit jaded. Still getting the assists, but caught napping twice in the last two games, defensively. That's usually a concentration issue, born out of fatigue... Can't argue that our players aren't leaving everything on the pitch to get these points every match... But, personally, when I look at our key players, I'm asking myself, how far they can go at this pace?. So getting back to the OP, without the team controlling the general play, a lone strikers role is much harder. They can be made to look very average, without the correct service. Hirst has benefitted from playing with a more energised team in the first hour or so of games. We need more than just another striker, if we are to keep pushing all season, for a full 90, each game. Imo. |
Personally I think another at the level of MorsyMass is as much a priority as a Hirst-a-like. |  |
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We really need a new striker in Jan on 14:20 - Oct 30 with 2569 views | Steve_M |
We really need a new striker in Jan on 13:04 - Oct 30 by BigCommon | Thinking outside the box a bit. There's a noticeable drop off when Hirst come off. But is it entirely down to Hirst leaving the pitch?... You could argue, that we've started losing the MF a bit, as Mass Morsy and even Chappers tire, at around the same minutes mark. And we've been more or less forced to hit it longer , rather than play through the lines. Which, lets be fare to Scarlett, doesn't really suit his game... I think its equally important, that we bolster the spine of the team, just for the energy needed to control the game more in the latter stages.. We've got one credible Mass/Morsy replacement, in Taylor. But even then, he's not quite up to the standard, in terms of positioning and reading the game, imo.... Thought the fitness levels of Bristol City and Plymouth, were off the scale. It's not often we look the more ragged towards the end of games than the oppo'... I'd also throw in, that Davis is looking a bit jaded. Still getting the assists, but caught napping twice in the last two games, defensively. That's usually a concentration issue, born out of fatigue... Can't argue that our players aren't leaving everything on the pitch to get these points every match... But, personally, when I look at our key players, I'm asking myself, how far they can go at this pace?. So getting back to the OP, without the team controlling the general play, a lone strikers role is much harder. They can be made to look very average, without the correct service. Hirst has benefitted from playing with a more energised team in the first hour or so of games. We need more than just another striker, if we are to keep pushing all season, for a full 90, each game. Imo. |
We've definitely failed to assert sufficient control in the last two matches, in both cases at least in part down to the opposition. It's possible that a two break break has upset our rhythm slightly but we also miss Burns for the amount of running he gets through. FWIW, I think that we look less effective without Hirst even early in matches, but the inability to hold onto the ball - really noticeable on Wednesday - compounds the fatigue in midfield. The two factors play off each other though and we look more stretched at the moment than we've done for a long while. I posted elsewhere in this thread to say so but a central midfielder is needed too, another position we probably didn't match our ambition in over the Summer. |  |
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Good post Biggers on 14:21 - Oct 30 with 2565 views | DanTheMan |
Good post Biggers on 14:02 - Oct 30 by Dyland | Personally I think another at the level of MorsyMass is as much a priority as a Hirst-a-like. |
100% agreed. It's horrible to say but Evans means we should be able to free up a squad space in January and get someone in who can push them. I like the look of Taylor but he's a different sort of place to those two. |  |
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We really need a new striker in Jan on 15:44 - Oct 30 with 2504 views | Vaughan8 | We are starting early! We had this with:- Harness is finished Ladapo is cr@p Burgess will get found out Williams is useless (after 30 mins) Hutchinson is not good Hladky is not as good as Walton Clearly Scarlett is the 3rd option. Hes a striker so surely is brought in to play that role. We don't need 4 players for 1 position. Obviously if we get a striker who si going to score 15 goals in the last 4 months, then brilliant, but firstly not to the detrimant of the team, and secondly, they'll cost a fortune (unless you get lucky!) |  | |  |
We really need a new striker in Jan on 15:57 - Oct 30 with 2488 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
We really need a new striker in Jan on 14:43 - Oct 29 by textbackup | Yet I’d say our forwards are our weakest position. Hirst - is ok Ladapo- is on Jackson - fills a gap when needed Scarlett- no idea what he brings, doesn’t control it, doesn’t run, when he does he’s slow, doesn’t win headers. |
Hirst has been excellent, plays a specific way with two number 10s. Vital away from home, incredible work rate and hold up play. We need to find someone that plays his style that is better than Ladapdo IMO. |  | |  |
We really need a new striker in Jan on 07:43 - Nov 8 with 2239 views | textbackup | You know what, still completely and utterly stand by my ‘Hirst is ok’ comment. Read a couple on here saying he’s excellent. If he’d been getting the goals this season, we’d all be saying ‘player X and X need to step up when he’s not wearing his shooting boots’ Last couple of games he’s been in a battle, clear to see, and of course the whole team have been a bit jaded and awkward to watch, but his touch has been incredibly poor for most of these games. Not sure he’s mustered a shot on target(?) created very little for others. And seems to have been offside more than Bonne. The bigger worry is then Ladapo being the man to replace him. If we are to really push for top 2, IMO we need an upgrade on GH, then have him as the replacement, shipping Ladapo in the process. |  |
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We really need a new striker in Jan on 07:45 - Nov 8 with 2215 views | Herbivore |
We really need a new striker in Jan on 07:43 - Nov 8 by textbackup | You know what, still completely and utterly stand by my ‘Hirst is ok’ comment. Read a couple on here saying he’s excellent. If he’d been getting the goals this season, we’d all be saying ‘player X and X need to step up when he’s not wearing his shooting boots’ Last couple of games he’s been in a battle, clear to see, and of course the whole team have been a bit jaded and awkward to watch, but his touch has been incredibly poor for most of these games. Not sure he’s mustered a shot on target(?) created very little for others. And seems to have been offside more than Bonne. The bigger worry is then Ladapo being the man to replace him. If we are to really push for top 2, IMO we need an upgrade on GH, then have him as the replacement, shipping Ladapo in the process. |
I still disagree. He's been far more than okay. |  |
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We really need a new striker in Jan on 07:55 - Nov 8 with 2172 views | textbackup |
We really need a new striker in Jan on 07:45 - Nov 8 by Herbivore | I still disagree. He's been far more than okay. |
Would have been nice to have a striker lastnight to grab the game by scruff of neck, create something for himself, take the ball under a bit of pressure etc. But it is what it is until Jan when hopefully we can upgrade |  |
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We really need a new striker in Jan on 08:07 - Nov 8 with 2152 views | Herbivore |
We really need a new striker in Jan on 07:55 - Nov 8 by textbackup | Would have been nice to have a striker lastnight to grab the game by scruff of neck, create something for himself, take the ball under a bit of pressure etc. But it is what it is until Jan when hopefully we can upgrade |
Hirst is generally very good at taking the ball under pressure. His touch was a bit off last night (he wasn't the only one) but that doesn't change my opinion that he's largely been very good for us this season. I'm not sure the striker you want exists, certainly not within our price range. If you want someone who does everything Hirst does but who can also pluck it out of the air, beat three men and lash it in from 20 yards on the reg then I think you're going to be disappointed by whoever we sign to strengthen our striking options. |  |
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We really need a new striker in Jan on 08:10 - Nov 8 with 2143 views | cressi |
We really need a new striker in Jan on 14:59 - Oct 29 by Illinoisblue | Scarlett is an interesting one; clearly rated by McKenna (one of the best young strikers in Europe) but hasn’t done much here yet. Hard to make an impact with just a few mins here and there but I reckon a few months under KMc and he’ll be up to speed. |
That's a risky strategy he may be up to speed. Last night all our forwards were average at best. |  | |  |
We really need a new striker in Jan on 08:20 - Nov 8 with 2124 views | BloomBlue |
We really need a new striker in Jan on 07:55 - Nov 8 by textbackup | Would have been nice to have a striker lastnight to grab the game by scruff of neck, create something for himself, take the ball under a bit of pressure etc. But it is what it is until Jan when hopefully we can upgrade |
A lot of Town fans told us Ellis Simms will do that when moaning about him joining Coventry. I've not looked at Coventry results because I don't care about other team's results so maybe Simms is, but as nobody has really mentioned him on here since I assume he hasn't. Hirst is just the striker we need with the KM system. |  | |  |
We really need a new striker in Jan on 08:24 - Nov 8 with 2118 views | BlueStreak |
We really need a new striker in Jan on 07:55 - Nov 8 by textbackup | Would have been nice to have a striker lastnight to grab the game by scruff of neck, create something for himself, take the ball under a bit of pressure etc. But it is what it is until Jan when hopefully we can upgrade |
I honestly think he was good last night. He battles so much with the CB's allows space for the 10s and there were a couple of passages of play where it is was neat one touch interplay which was excellent. He also should have had a stone wall pen which was him driving into the box which was his own work and Ayala should have been booked in the first half for hauling him back whilst we were breaking. Freddie is such a drop off it is embarrassing. Nothing sticks you know he isn't going to get his body in between defenders and the ball and it just allows teams to build pressure on us. Also stitched up Morsy for his booking. Trampoline touch. Hirst is decent and you can see why KMc loves him. The drop off is just too big that will cost us. What we would do for a Murphy type signing in January to help with the workload for two similar players. Is there anyone like that about though? Colby Bishop? |  | |  |
We really need a new striker in Jan on 08:47 - Nov 8 with 2087 views | tractorboy1978 |
We really need a new striker in Jan on 08:07 - Nov 8 by Herbivore | Hirst is generally very good at taking the ball under pressure. His touch was a bit off last night (he wasn't the only one) but that doesn't change my opinion that he's largely been very good for us this season. I'm not sure the striker you want exists, certainly not within our price range. If you want someone who does everything Hirst does but who can also pluck it out of the air, beat three men and lash it in from 20 yards on the reg then I think you're going to be disappointed by whoever we sign to strengthen our striking options. |
I've noticed he seems to get very little protection from referees as well. As soon as Hugill came on last night, it was a foul every time someone got within a yard of him! |  | |  |
We really need a new striker in Jan on 08:55 - Nov 8 with 2078 views | BiGDonnie |
We really need a new striker in Jan on 07:43 - Nov 8 by textbackup | You know what, still completely and utterly stand by my ‘Hirst is ok’ comment. Read a couple on here saying he’s excellent. If he’d been getting the goals this season, we’d all be saying ‘player X and X need to step up when he’s not wearing his shooting boots’ Last couple of games he’s been in a battle, clear to see, and of course the whole team have been a bit jaded and awkward to watch, but his touch has been incredibly poor for most of these games. Not sure he’s mustered a shot on target(?) created very little for others. And seems to have been offside more than Bonne. The bigger worry is then Ladapo being the man to replace him. If we are to really push for top 2, IMO we need an upgrade on GH, then have him as the replacement, shipping Ladapo in the process. |
He's so much better than 'ok'. We wouldn't be anywhere near to 2nd without him so far this season. Last couple of games he hasn't hit the levels he usually does but it'll come. I'd go as far to say he's one of the best target men in the championship, I wouldn't swap many for him. Ladapo I agree isn't a good enough replacement and won't ever challenge Hirst for a starting spot. |  |
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We really need a new striker in Jan on 09:29 - Nov 8 with 2064 views | Herbivore |
We really need a new striker in Jan on 08:47 - Nov 8 by tractorboy1978 | I've noticed he seems to get very little protection from referees as well. As soon as Hugill came on last night, it was a foul every time someone got within a yard of him! |
He gets no change out of the officials at all. Gets his shirt ripped off his back and can't get a free kick, runs across the front of his man to distract him when he's going for a header and it's a free kick against him. |  |
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Good post Biggers on 09:31 - Nov 8 with 2060 views | Swansea_Blue |
Good post Biggers on 14:02 - Oct 30 by Dyland | Personally I think another at the level of MorsyMass is as much a priority as a Hirst-a-like. |
Let’s be greedy and ask Santa for both. |  |
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We really need a new striker in Jan on 09:42 - Nov 8 with 2039 views | textbackup |
We really need a new striker in Jan on 08:07 - Nov 8 by Herbivore | Hirst is generally very good at taking the ball under pressure. His touch was a bit off last night (he wasn't the only one) but that doesn't change my opinion that he's largely been very good for us this season. I'm not sure the striker you want exists, certainly not within our price range. If you want someone who does everything Hirst does but who can also pluck it out of the air, beat three men and lash it in from 20 yards on the reg then I think you're going to be disappointed by whoever we sign to strengthen our striking options. |
I’m sure you’d have thought the same about possible additions last Jan, as it was, they were all a huge upgrade. |  |
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We really need a new striker in Jan on 09:43 - Nov 8 with 2035 views | Herbivore |
We really need a new striker in Jan on 09:42 - Nov 8 by textbackup | I’m sure you’d have thought the same about possible additions last Jan, as it was, they were all a huge upgrade. |
Of which Hirst was one. To get a player that can do what he does and produce something out of nothing you're looking at £10m plus. I'm struggling to think of someone who plays in a similar way but with the ability to score from nothing that would be remotely in our price range. |  |
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We really need a new striker in Jan on 10:36 - Nov 8 with 1997 views | textbackup |
We really need a new striker in Jan on 09:43 - Nov 8 by Herbivore | Of which Hirst was one. To get a player that can do what he does and produce something out of nothing you're looking at £10m plus. I'm struggling to think of someone who plays in a similar way but with the ability to score from nothing that would be remotely in our price range. |
Hirst is a decent player, and cost us £1m… why does an upgrade come at a cost of ten times him? |  |
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We really need a new striker in Jan on 10:37 - Nov 8 with 1994 views | FrimleyBlue |
We really need a new striker in Jan on 10:36 - Nov 8 by textbackup | Hirst is a decent player, and cost us £1m… why does an upgrade come at a cost of ten times him? |
Because he's playing close to his best level possible, we need more? ( Based on going up of course) |  |
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We really need a new striker in Jan on 10:42 - Nov 8 with 1988 views | braveblue |
We really need a new striker in Jan on 14:59 - Oct 29 by Illinoisblue | Scarlett is an interesting one; clearly rated by McKenna (one of the best young strikers in Europe) but hasn’t done much here yet. Hard to make an impact with just a few mins here and there but I reckon a few months under KMc and he’ll be up to speed. |
He got us a draw at Birmingham!!! |  | |  |
We really need a new striker in Jan on 11:27 - Nov 8 with 1929 views | Herbivore |
We really need a new striker in Jan on 10:36 - Nov 8 by textbackup | Hirst is a decent player, and cost us £1m… why does an upgrade come at a cost of ten times him? |
We got a relative bargain and someone like Ellis Simms went for around £8m (including top ups) and doesn't look like he'd be much of an upgrade on Hirst, if at all. Who do you have in mind that is like Hirst but better and can score out of nothing who would also be affordable? |  |
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We really need a new striker in Jan on 11:51 - Nov 8 with 1894 views | textbackup |
We really need a new striker in Jan on 11:27 - Nov 8 by Herbivore | We got a relative bargain and someone like Ellis Simms went for around £8m (including top ups) and doesn't look like he'd be much of an upgrade on Hirst, if at all. Who do you have in mind that is like Hirst but better and can score out of nothing who would also be affordable? |
Absolutely no idea, and as it not my job it’s not on me to supply names. I find it a pointless exercise fans having a wish list when they have no say in the matter. |  |
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We really need a new striker in Jan on 11:55 - Nov 8 with 1871 views | Herbivore |
We really need a new striker in Jan on 11:51 - Nov 8 by textbackup | Absolutely no idea, and as it not my job it’s not on me to supply names. I find it a pointless exercise fans having a wish list when they have no say in the matter. |
Thinking of the games I've watched this season at our level, the only side who have had centre forwards who can do what Hirst does plus a bit of magic were playing for Leeds and cost about £20m-£30m a pop. I think we can sign someone to compete with him but it's going to be tricky to upgrade. |  |
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We really need a new striker in Jan on 11:56 - Nov 8 with 1868 views | BondiBlue | Throw money at smodzics |  |
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