| This ball over the line thing 17:50 - Nov 6 with 3264 views | FrimleyBlue |
To erm solve the problem. Why don't they judge it on the base of the ball being behind the line? What's with the over hang rubbish.
I've always been surprised by it at corners. |  |
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| This ball over the line thing on 17:53 - Nov 6 with 2146 views | SitfcB |
The ball has to be fully behind the line, when it overhangs it’s not. |  |
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| This ball over the line thing on 17:56 - Nov 6 with 2132 views | MattinLondon |
It’s not rubbish as it has always been what the rules have stated. |  | | |
| This ball over the line thing on 17:59 - Nov 6 with 2120 views | Ewan_Oozami |
How do you define the base of the ball in that case? Do you want the lino to lie down with their eyeball on the grass and try and determine the base of the ball? |  |
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| This ball over the line thing on 17:59 - Nov 6 with 2119 views | FrimleyBlue |
| This ball over the line thing on 17:53 - Nov 6 by SitfcB |
The ball has to be fully behind the line, when it overhangs it’s not. |
Thats what I mean. Change the rule. Its not gonna have a massive effect.
Base of ball has to be on the line. Job done.
Same as offside. Foot only the foot has to be at least 1ft offside. Job done
Ball has hit hand, denied a goal scoring opportunity. Pen
Accidental but still hit hand indirect Freekick. Job done | |
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| This ball over the line thing on 18:01 - Nov 6 with 2111 views | FrimleyBlue |
| This ball over the line thing on 17:59 - Nov 6 by Ewan_Oozami |
How do you define the base of the ball in that case? Do you want the lino to lie down with their eyeball on the grass and try and determine the base of the ball? |
No. You just carry on as normal. Base it on what you see. You'll get some wrong. You'll get some right. But it's fairly easy to tell if base of ball is out of play. The base of the ball is simply what is touching the turf. Quite easy imo.
Then var can pick it up if it leads to a goal.
Personally I don't get the overhang thing it's odd. [Post edited 6 Nov 2023 18:02]
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| This ball over the line thing on 18:02 - Nov 6 with 2094 views | SitfcB |
| This ball over the line thing on 17:59 - Nov 6 by FrimleyBlue |
Thats what I mean. Change the rule. Its not gonna have a massive effect.
Base of ball has to be on the line. Job done.
Same as offside. Foot only the foot has to be at least 1ft offside. Job done
Ball has hit hand, denied a goal scoring opportunity. Pen
Accidental but still hit hand indirect Freekick. Job done |
Change the rule that when the ball isn’t completely out of play that it’s deemed as out of play? | |
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| This ball over the line thing on 18:05 - Nov 6 with 2078 views | FrimleyBlue |
| This ball over the line thing on 18:02 - Nov 6 by SitfcB |
Change the rule that when the ball isn’t completely out of play that it’s deemed as out of play? |
Yes.
In cricket you don't get a catch if your feet are behind the boundary so why can't a ball actually be out if the base of the ball is out? It would make more sense imo.
Also.. if a player is off the pitch after say chasing a loose ball.
If the ball makes it way back to him and be heads it.. is he still on the pitch if his head is on the pitch or off the pitch as his feet are off the pitch? ( obv in this scenario I'm imaging a ball in the air going back at him) not the playing laying down for some reason lol. [Post edited 6 Nov 2023 18:07]
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| This ball over the line thing on 18:08 - Nov 6 with 2048 views | norfsufblue |
| This ball over the line thing on 17:59 - Nov 6 by FrimleyBlue |
Thats what I mean. Change the rule. Its not gonna have a massive effect.
Base of ball has to be on the line. Job done.
Same as offside. Foot only the foot has to be at least 1ft offside. Job done
Ball has hit hand, denied a goal scoring opportunity. Pen
Accidental but still hit hand indirect Freekick. Job done |
Back in the ninetys when I did a fa coaching course a referee told my group that ( at that time) if a ball struck a hand and the offender gained an advantage from it then it was handball deliberate or not.. Seemed very simple to apply in my view.... I couldn't even fathom a guess at what the law says now |  | | |
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| This ball over the line thing on 18:11 - Nov 6 with 2003 views | FrimleyBlue |
| This ball over the line thing on 18:08 - Nov 6 by norfsufblue |
Back in the ninetys when I did a fa coaching course a referee told my group that ( at that time) if a ball struck a hand and the offender gained an advantage from it then it was handball deliberate or not.. Seemed very simple to apply in my view.... I couldn't even fathom a guess at what the law says now |
The rules are bizarre for a lot now.
The offside from an opponent touch has now changed too I believe. | |
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| Not a great analogy on 18:12 - Nov 6 with 1988 views | Dyland |
| This ball over the line thing on 18:05 - Nov 6 by FrimleyBlue |
Yes.
In cricket you don't get a catch if your feet are behind the boundary so why can't a ball actually be out if the base of the ball is out? It would make more sense imo.
Also.. if a player is off the pitch after say chasing a loose ball.
If the ball makes it way back to him and be heads it.. is he still on the pitch if his head is on the pitch or off the pitch as his feet are off the pitch? ( obv in this scenario I'm imaging a ball in the air going back at him) not the playing laying down for some reason lol. [Post edited 6 Nov 2023 18:07]
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In cricket, the ball has gone "over the line" as soon as it hits the rope.
There's no equivalent in cricket to the football example being discussed here.
Though you've hit on a good idea completely by accident. Have rope instead of painted lines in footy.
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| This ball over the line thing on 18:18 - Nov 6 with 1964 views | Jon_456 |
| This ball over the line thing on 17:59 - Nov 6 by FrimleyBlue |
Thats what I mean. Change the rule. Its not gonna have a massive effect.
Base of ball has to be on the line. Job done.
Same as offside. Foot only the foot has to be at least 1ft offside. Job done
Ball has hit hand, denied a goal scoring opportunity. Pen
Accidental but still hit hand indirect Freekick. Job done |
Obviously you’re doing your usual talking b*llocks to get a reaction but I’ll bite.
A footballers foot being at least a foot offside doesn’t solve the offside problem. You’ll still get VAR taking an age trying to workout if they’re 1 foot or 30.47cm past the defender. |  | | |
| This ball over the line thing on 18:20 - Nov 6 with 1955 views | FrimleyBlue |
| This ball over the line thing on 18:18 - Nov 6 by Jon_456 |
Obviously you’re doing your usual talking b*llocks to get a reaction but I’ll bite.
A footballers foot being at least a foot offside doesn’t solve the offside problem. You’ll still get VAR taking an age trying to workout if they’re 1 foot or 30.47cm past the defender. |
Get a reaction? You emotionally attached to the fa rules or something?
I'm just opening a discussion on a football subject which is in the news at the moment. | |
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| This ball over the line thing on 18:25 - Nov 6 with 1934 views | norfsufblue |
| This ball over the line thing on 18:11 - Nov 6 by FrimleyBlue |
The rules are bizarre for a lot now.
The offside from an opponent touch has now changed too I believe. |
However on the wicket, bowlers and batsmen have to have something behind the line ! It all really hinges on whether the line is part of the field of play or not, the boundary rope is outside the field . | | | |
| This ball over the line thing on 18:27 - Nov 6 with 1920 views | FrimleyBlue |
| This ball over the line thing on 18:25 - Nov 6 by norfsufblue |
However on the wicket, bowlers and batsmen have to have something behind the line ! It all really hinges on whether the line is part of the field of play or not, the boundary rope is outside the field . |
Yep the crease may have been a better example to use lol. | |
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| This ball over the line thing on 18:42 - Nov 6 with 1874 views | ITFC_Forever |
| This ball over the line thing on 17:59 - Nov 6 by FrimleyBlue |
Thats what I mean. Change the rule. Its not gonna have a massive effect.
Base of ball has to be on the line. Job done.
Same as offside. Foot only the foot has to be at least 1ft offside. Job done
Ball has hit hand, denied a goal scoring opportunity. Pen
Accidental but still hit hand indirect Freekick. Job done |
How are you going to judge if the base of a moving ball in mid-air is over the the line?
All of the ball has to be over all of the line, it’s not hard. And for the hard of thinking, yes, at corners it can over-hang the line and there can be clear green grass between the base of the ball and the white paint of the line. |  |
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| Not a great analogy on 19:05 - Nov 6 with 1811 views | stonojnr |
| Not a great analogy on 18:12 - Nov 6 by Dyland |
In cricket, the ball has gone "over the line" as soon as it hits the rope.
There's no equivalent in cricket to the football example being discussed here.
Though you've hit on a good idea completely by accident. Have rope instead of painted lines in footy.
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if it hits the rope yes its a boundary, but you can of course legitimately catch the ball even if its passed over the boundary rope in the air, as long as your feet stay in the playing area and dont touch the boundary.
hence all those acrobatic dives in the air lobbing the ball back across the rope to another fielder counts as a catch. | | | |
| Not a great analogy on 19:10 - Nov 6 with 1805 views | Dyland |
| Not a great analogy on 19:05 - Nov 6 by stonojnr |
if it hits the rope yes its a boundary, but you can of course legitimately catch the ball even if its passed over the boundary rope in the air, as long as your feet stay in the playing area and dont touch the boundary.
hence all those acrobatic dives in the air lobbing the ball back across the rope to another fielder counts as a catch. |
Indeed, and there's no equivalent example in footy, innit. E.g. a goalie can claw the ball out of the goal mouth with his feet in play, but if the ball's over the line* it's a goal.
* completely over the line, not half of it or some of it etc. | |
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| This ball over the line thing on 19:31 - Nov 6 with 1760 views | Wickets |
| This ball over the line thing on 18:01 - Nov 6 by FrimleyBlue |
No. You just carry on as normal. Base it on what you see. You'll get some wrong. You'll get some right. But it's fairly easy to tell if base of ball is out of play. The base of the ball is simply what is touching the turf. Quite easy imo.
Then var can pick it up if it leads to a goal.
Personally I don't get the overhang thing it's odd. [Post edited 6 Nov 2023 18:02]
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Yup i agree make it if you can see daylight between the ball and the line its out . Saves all the guesswork . |  | | |
| This ball over the line thing on 19:35 - Nov 6 with 1746 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| This ball over the line thing on 18:20 - Nov 6 by FrimleyBlue |
Get a reaction? You emotionally attached to the fa rules or something?
I'm just opening a discussion on a football subject which is in the news at the moment. |
What you seem to fail to realise is that you are not offering a solution to a problem but rather shifting what basis the problem rests on. By making it the base of the ball, you require the ball to be on the ground and it frequently won't be.
I think what you are really driving at, is stop VAR, allow the officials to make a decision and then accept it will sometimes be wrong. However, at the level where goal line technology is in use, this seems to work well. No problem with that remaining as it is. |  |
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| Well that's just typical on 19:41 - Nov 6 with 1726 views | Dyland |
| This ball over the line thing on 18:42 - Nov 6 by ITFC_Forever |
How are you going to judge if the base of a moving ball in mid-air is over the the line?
All of the ball has to be over all of the line, it’s not hard. And for the hard of thinking, yes, at corners it can over-hang the line and there can be clear green grass between the base of the ball and the white paint of the line. |
As ever it's one rule for a ball on the ground, and quite another for when it's in the air... and er, the rest of us. | |
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| This ball over the line thing on 19:45 - Nov 6 with 1697 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| This ball over the line thing on 19:31 - Nov 6 by Wickets |
Yup i agree make it if you can see daylight between the ball and the line its out . Saves all the guesswork . |
Every time the ball is in the air near the side or end of the pitch it is out of play? | |
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| This ball over the line thing on 19:48 - Nov 6 with 1683 views | Swansea_Blue |
| This ball over the line thing on 17:59 - Nov 6 by FrimleyBlue |
Thats what I mean. Change the rule. Its not gonna have a massive effect.
Base of ball has to be on the line. Job done.
Same as offside. Foot only the foot has to be at least 1ft offside. Job done
Ball has hit hand, denied a goal scoring opportunity. Pen
Accidental but still hit hand indirect Freekick. Job done |
No need to change it - the rule is very clear and easily implemented (as shown by goal line technology).
What’s needed is an education programme for fans who think they know best based on an obscure camera angle. |  |
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| This ball over the line thing on 19:51 - Nov 6 with 1654 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| This ball over the line thing on 19:48 - Nov 6 by Swansea_Blue |
No need to change it - the rule is very clear and easily implemented (as shown by goal line technology).
What’s needed is an education programme for fans who think they know best based on an obscure camera angle. |
Especially if the obscure camera angle is combined with a ball that isn't on the ground. You have to be in line to tell. The camera angles frequently aren't. Unfortunately sometimes the assistant referee cannot be or has their view obscured. | |
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| This ball over the line thing on 19:51 - Nov 6 with 1654 views | FrimleyBlue |
| This ball over the line thing on 19:48 - Nov 6 by Swansea_Blue |
No need to change it - the rule is very clear and easily implemented (as shown by goal line technology).
What’s needed is an education programme for fans who think they know best based on an obscure camera angle. |
My OP was made more because of a managers rant and sky pundits rather than fan thoughts. | |
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| This ball over the line thing on 19:53 - Nov 6 with 1639 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| This ball over the line thing on 19:51 - Nov 6 by FrimleyBlue |
My OP was made more because of a managers rant and sky pundits rather than fan thoughts. |
An education programme for managers and pundits would be a good idea too! | |
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