| So in a protest for peace 10:20 - Nov 12 with 18180 views | GlasgowBlue |
Peter Tatchell was stopped from marching for holding sings saying
“Free Palestine”.
“Armistice Now”.
“End Israel’s Occupation”. (Twice)
“End Hamas’s Sexist, Homophobic, AntiHuman Rights Dictatorship”
What part did the organisers disagree with?
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| So in a protest for peace on 19:41 - Nov 12 with 1346 views | bluebudgie |
| So in a protest for peace on 12:23 - Nov 12 by Herbivore |
What's your solution? Clearly any intimidating behaviour and racism is unacceptable but do we ban the marches on the basis of the behaviour of a small minority of individuals or do we try and police more effectively those whose behaviour crosses a line? For me I don't think the issues are separate, if Suella Braverman hadn't effectively invited far-right thugs to come into the capital then police resources wouldn't have been wasted dealing with their violent behaviour and that would have freed up more officers to proactively tackle any unacceptable behaviour from individuals within the main march. |
If the Hammas support march had not been held on one of the most sacred days of the year for remembrance then the so-called "far-right wouldn't have been there. This had little to do with Suella Braverman, and all to do with Hammas supporting the crowd showing disrespect to the country by deciding to March on Armistice Day, they knew what the reaction would be. I also note like the media you make no mention of the pro Hammas thugs, everything is so one-sided and black and white with the majority on this board or to give it its proper name ultra left-wing echo chamber. |  | | |
| So in a protest for peace on 19:45 - Nov 12 with 1325 views | Swansea_Blue |
| So in a protest for peace on 19:26 - Nov 12 by MattinLondon |
Approximately 300k people walked on that march which in terms of numbers alone is twice the size of Ipswich and then some more. With that amount of people then unfortunately you are going to get some pure scum intent on pushing their unpalatable believes and grabbing the attention. That’s not me dismissing antisemitism, or even accepting it but with so many people you will get some vile individuals.
I’m going by what I’ve read on the BBC and what is termed as the ‘mainstream media’ and the overall consensus seems to be that the march was largely peaceful in both atmosphere and tone. |
It does seem to attract some antisemites, albeit only a few (but one is one too many). If I’ve got this right, the organiser also has a bit of a history of being reluctant to recognise Hamas as terrorists. Add those two together and there’s a whiff of these demonstrations being too pro-Hamas/against Jewish people. BUT, there’s a lot of well meaning, peaceful people at these protests too who want to see an end to the slaughter. We can’t forget that. And yes, the marches have been overwhelmingly peaceful.
They’re very one-sided. So that inevitably leads to people looking to undermine them simply because they are fully pro-Palestine. It’s very political and that becomes a bit of a problem for me.
I’d be much more comfortable if a new movement had arisen out of this latest stage of the crisis, calling for peace in this part of the Middle East, not specifically focused on either state and without all the nationalist iconography. I understand the way it is though. |  |
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| So in a protest for peace on 19:46 - Nov 12 with 1317 views | redrickstuhaart |
| So in a protest for peace on 19:41 - Nov 12 by bluebudgie |
If the Hammas support march had not been held on one of the most sacred days of the year for remembrance then the so-called "far-right wouldn't have been there. This had little to do with Suella Braverman, and all to do with Hammas supporting the crowd showing disrespect to the country by deciding to March on Armistice Day, they knew what the reaction would be. I also note like the media you make no mention of the pro Hammas thugs, everything is so one-sided and black and white with the majority on this board or to give it its proper name ultra left-wing echo chamber. |
Oh please. A march about a ceasefire is absolutely right to take place on that day.
Don't excuse morons. The only people disrespecting the country were the morons attacking police and chanting "you're not english anymore".
Or Braveman's quite deliberate stoking of tensions. |  | | |
| So in a protest for peace on 19:50 - Nov 12 with 1299 views | MattinLondon |
| So in a protest for peace on 19:41 - Nov 12 by bluebudgie |
If the Hammas support march had not been held on one of the most sacred days of the year for remembrance then the so-called "far-right wouldn't have been there. This had little to do with Suella Braverman, and all to do with Hammas supporting the crowd showing disrespect to the country by deciding to March on Armistice Day, they knew what the reaction would be. I also note like the media you make no mention of the pro Hammas thugs, everything is so one-sided and black and white with the majority on this board or to give it its proper name ultra left-wing echo chamber. |
The old echo chamber accusation.
The fact that you are able to add to this thread proves that this site isn’t an echo chamber. And the EDL are the far-right. Adding ‘so-called’ in your post questions what they are. |  | | |
| So in a protest for peace on 19:52 - Nov 12 with 1290 views | wkj |
| So in a protest for peace on 19:41 - Nov 12 by bluebudgie |
If the Hammas support march had not been held on one of the most sacred days of the year for remembrance then the so-called "far-right wouldn't have been there. This had little to do with Suella Braverman, and all to do with Hammas supporting the crowd showing disrespect to the country by deciding to March on Armistice Day, they knew what the reaction would be. I also note like the media you make no mention of the pro Hammas thugs, everything is so one-sided and black and white with the majority on this board or to give it its proper name ultra left-wing echo chamber. |
An echo-chamber is exactly what happens when proxy posting of misinformation and questionable sources go unchecked. The rub of it is, this place used to have a lot more left-wing chatter on it in years go by than it does now.
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That said - I am not sure what left/right wing has to do with the Israel/Palestine crisis [Post edited 12 Nov 2023 19:54]
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| So in a protest for peace on 19:55 - Nov 12 with 1265 views | GlasgowBlue |
| So in a protest for peace on 19:41 - Nov 12 by bluebudgie |
If the Hammas support march had not been held on one of the most sacred days of the year for remembrance then the so-called "far-right wouldn't have been there. This had little to do with Suella Braverman, and all to do with Hammas supporting the crowd showing disrespect to the country by deciding to March on Armistice Day, they knew what the reaction would be. I also note like the media you make no mention of the pro Hammas thugs, everything is so one-sided and black and white with the majority on this board or to give it its proper name ultra left-wing echo chamber. |
Can I distance myself from this viewpoint? There were numerous instances of Islamophobia coming out of the far right counter demo yesterday.
The people taking part hide behind a cloak of patriotism. Patriotism is the love of one's country. This is a multi cultural country. And all the better for it. | |
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| So in a protest for peace on 20:05 - Nov 12 with 1230 views | bluebudgie |
| So in a protest for peace on 19:55 - Nov 12 by GlasgowBlue |
Can I distance myself from this viewpoint? There were numerous instances of Islamophobia coming out of the far right counter demo yesterday.
The people taking part hide behind a cloak of patriotism. Patriotism is the love of one's country. This is a multi cultural country. And all the better for it. |
If you read my post properly you will see I didn't take sides.I am sure there was wrong on both sides but the point I was making is that in my opinion and that's all it is the calling of a march on Armistice Day in London was deeply disrespectful and as far as I'm concerned thugs from both sides made it disrespectful. But on this board as in mainstream media you only ever get one side...the left-wing side. [Post edited 12 Nov 2023 20:06]
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| So in a protest for peace on 20:05 - Nov 12 with 1220 views | Herbivore |
| So in a protest for peace on 19:41 - Nov 12 by bluebudgie |
If the Hammas support march had not been held on one of the most sacred days of the year for remembrance then the so-called "far-right wouldn't have been there. This had little to do with Suella Braverman, and all to do with Hammas supporting the crowd showing disrespect to the country by deciding to March on Armistice Day, they knew what the reaction would be. I also note like the media you make no mention of the pro Hammas thugs, everything is so one-sided and black and white with the majority on this board or to give it its proper name ultra left-wing echo chamber. |
I have no words for this level of dumb. |  |
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| So in a protest for peace on 20:08 - Nov 12 with 1191 views | wkj |
| So in a protest for peace on 20:05 - Nov 12 by bluebudgie |
If you read my post properly you will see I didn't take sides.I am sure there was wrong on both sides but the point I was making is that in my opinion and that's all it is the calling of a march on Armistice Day in London was deeply disrespectful and as far as I'm concerned thugs from both sides made it disrespectful. But on this board as in mainstream media you only ever get one side...the left-wing side. [Post edited 12 Nov 2023 20:06]
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Is a march organised with the intent to call for peace not 100% what armistice is about?
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| So in a protest for peace on 20:08 - Nov 12 with 1188 views | Herbivore |
| So in a protest for peace on 20:05 - Nov 12 by bluebudgie |
If you read my post properly you will see I didn't take sides.I am sure there was wrong on both sides but the point I was making is that in my opinion and that's all it is the calling of a march on Armistice Day in London was deeply disrespectful and as far as I'm concerned thugs from both sides made it disrespectful. But on this board as in mainstream media you only ever get one side...the left-wing side. [Post edited 12 Nov 2023 20:06]
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| So in a protest for peace on 20:09 - Nov 12 with 1189 views | redrickstuhaart |
| So in a protest for peace on 20:05 - Nov 12 by bluebudgie |
If you read my post properly you will see I didn't take sides.I am sure there was wrong on both sides but the point I was making is that in my opinion and that's all it is the calling of a march on Armistice Day in London was deeply disrespectful and as far as I'm concerned thugs from both sides made it disrespectful. But on this board as in mainstream media you only ever get one side...the left-wing side. [Post edited 12 Nov 2023 20:06]
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Why are there sides here?
And this equivalence / both sideing is just offensive nonsense. One group were set on trouble and attacked police. The other had one or two idiots who behaved badly out of far greater numbers. There was no equivalence yesterday. Stop propogating that narrative. | | | |
| So in a protest for peace on 20:09 - Nov 12 with 1182 views | Herbivore |
| So in a protest for peace on 19:55 - Nov 12 by GlasgowBlue |
Can I distance myself from this viewpoint? There were numerous instances of Islamophobia coming out of the far right counter demo yesterday.
The people taking part hide behind a cloak of patriotism. Patriotism is the love of one's country. This is a multi cultural country. And all the better for it. |
Well said, Glassers. | |
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| So in a protest for peace on 20:10 - Nov 12 with 1184 views | buoyant |
| So in a protest for peace on 19:55 - Nov 12 by GlasgowBlue |
Can I distance myself from this viewpoint? There were numerous instances of Islamophobia coming out of the far right counter demo yesterday.
The people taking part hide behind a cloak of patriotism. Patriotism is the love of one's country. This is a multi cultural country. And all the better for it. |
Well done you for acknowledging the hate (on both sides) you are a good and respectful poster on here although some of the links that you have posted in this thread are connected to massively unsavoury characters who's motives are to spread hate themselves.
I was minded to post this earlier but didn't
These individuals (again on both sides) are detracting from the heart of the matter IMO which is the travesty of innocent lives being needlessly destroyed and lost for what? It's a genuine question for what? |  |
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| So in a protest for peace on 20:11 - Nov 12 with 1181 views | redrickstuhaart |
| So in a protest for peace on 20:08 - Nov 12 by wkj |
Is a march organised with the intent to call for peace not 100% what armistice is about?
"Never forget, Never Again" |
Indeed. As an Englishamn, with a Grandfather who was in the Navy, on ships which sailed arctic convoys etc. I am not offended by non english people marching for peace on armistice day.
People offended by that are looking for offence or basically racist. | | | |
| So in a protest for peace on 20:17 - Nov 12 with 1169 views | PhilTWTD |
| So in a protest for peace on 20:05 - Nov 12 by bluebudgie |
If you read my post properly you will see I didn't take sides.I am sure there was wrong on both sides but the point I was making is that in my opinion and that's all it is the calling of a march on Armistice Day in London was deeply disrespectful and as far as I'm concerned thugs from both sides made it disrespectful. But on this board as in mainstream media you only ever get one side...the left-wing side. [Post edited 12 Nov 2023 20:06]
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You called yesterday's march a "Hammas [sic] support march", which is hardly taking a neutral stance regarding what for most of those involved was a call for peace. The idea that the mainstream media in this country is left wing is ridiculous.
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| So in a protest for peace on 20:32 - Nov 12 with 1101 views | redrickstuhaart |
| So in a protest for peace on 20:17 - Nov 12 by PhilTWTD |
You called yesterday's march a "Hammas [sic] support march", which is hardly taking a neutral stance regarding what for most of those involved was a call for peace. The idea that the mainstream media in this country is left wing is ridiculous.
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Im intrigued by this mainstream media thing.
I reckon, mainstream media in this country must be
BBC, ITV, C4 (2 neutral, 1 a bit lefty)
Sun, Times, Mail Express, Guardian, Mirror, Independent (4 overtly right wing, 2 left)
R4, Talkradio, Times Radio, LBC - 1 neutral, 2 right wing, 1 right more than left but mixed.
GB News, Sky 1 neutral, one rabidly right wing.
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| So in a protest for peace on 20:35 - Nov 12 with 1095 views | wkj |
| So in a protest for peace on 20:32 - Nov 12 by redrickstuhaart |
Im intrigued by this mainstream media thing.
I reckon, mainstream media in this country must be
BBC, ITV, C4 (2 neutral, 1 a bit lefty)
Sun, Times, Mail Express, Guardian, Mirror, Independent (4 overtly right wing, 2 left)
R4, Talkradio, Times Radio, LBC - 1 neutral, 2 right wing, 1 right more than left but mixed.
GB News, Sky 1 neutral, one rabidly right wing.
Any more obvious ones? |
Facebook - Mostly right leaning
Twitter - Was mostly left, then Elon shook it all up
Tumblr - So left that even the left didn't think the left was left enough
Truth Social - Delusional [Post edited 12 Nov 2023 20:35]
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| So in a protest for peace on 20:37 - Nov 12 with 1088 views | GlasgowBlue |
| So in a protest for peace on 20:05 - Nov 12 by bluebudgie |
If you read my post properly you will see I didn't take sides.I am sure there was wrong on both sides but the point I was making is that in my opinion and that's all it is the calling of a march on Armistice Day in London was deeply disrespectful and as far as I'm concerned thugs from both sides made it disrespectful. But on this board as in mainstream media you only ever get one side...the left-wing side. [Post edited 12 Nov 2023 20:06]
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I think you are giving too much credit to the Lads Alliance or whatever they are called. They are far right thugs who need little excuse to vent their racism.
Braveman gave them a nod and a wink to do so.
I'm sure they be believe that they are patriots. But their warped idea is that if you love your country then you hate everyone else. Including your own countrymen and women who don't conform to some distant ideal of what a real Englishman or woman looks like.
Just as Hamas and other Jihadists groups follow a warped idea of Islam, and the likes of Smotrich, Ben-Gvir and their ilk follow a warped vision of Zionism, these 'lads' warp the idea of Englishness. Which has always been about tolerance and inclusiveness. | |
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| So in a protest for peace on 20:41 - Nov 12 with 1060 views | bluebudgie |
| So in a protest for peace on 20:17 - Nov 12 by PhilTWTD |
You called yesterday's march a "Hammas [sic] support march", which is hardly taking a neutral stance regarding what for most of those involved was a call for peace. The idea that the mainstream media in this country is left wing is ridiculous.
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This has been going on for weeks- in fact, immediately following the terrorist attacks of October 7th - and this clash with Armistice Day had been highlighted for a while. Now we see yet more genocidal chanting and placards. I take it posters on here are happy with all the anti-semantic chants and the placards from this "peaceful" march.Also, the poppy sellers that have been attacked and the Rochdale and Edinburgh war memorials being desecrated .and its my view and quite a few others Phil the mainstream media is left-wing it may not be your opinion but it is mine, but I forgot this is TWTD board and anything that's not left-wing needs to be stamped on and ban me if you like but you have allowed this board to become what it is a left-wing echo chamber | | | |
| So in a protest for peace on 20:43 - Nov 12 with 1041 views | Herbivore |
| So in a protest for peace on 20:41 - Nov 12 by bluebudgie |
This has been going on for weeks- in fact, immediately following the terrorist attacks of October 7th - and this clash with Armistice Day had been highlighted for a while. Now we see yet more genocidal chanting and placards. I take it posters on here are happy with all the anti-semantic chants and the placards from this "peaceful" march.Also, the poppy sellers that have been attacked and the Rochdale and Edinburgh war memorials being desecrated .and its my view and quite a few others Phil the mainstream media is left-wing it may not be your opinion but it is mine, but I forgot this is TWTD board and anything that's not left-wing needs to be stamped on and ban me if you like but you have allowed this board to become what it is a left-wing echo chamber |
Pretty much all of this is either false or nonsense or both. | |
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| So in a protest for peace on 20:44 - Nov 12 with 1039 views | GlasgowBlue |
| So in a protest for peace on 20:09 - Nov 12 by Herbivore |
Well said, Glassers. |
Stopped clock and all that.
Edit. And may I apologise to anyone I've offended on this thread by going in hard. I'm really struggling seeing the widespread fear in the British Jewish community, and those Jews living across the rest of the world (it's off the scale in the USA) that has manifested from the antisemitism we have seen since 7/10. It started whilst the bodies were still warm and being counted. [Post edited 12 Nov 2023 20:47]
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| So in a protest for peace on 20:45 - Nov 12 with 1030 views | redrickstuhaart |
| So in a protest for peace on 20:41 - Nov 12 by bluebudgie |
This has been going on for weeks- in fact, immediately following the terrorist attacks of October 7th - and this clash with Armistice Day had been highlighted for a while. Now we see yet more genocidal chanting and placards. I take it posters on here are happy with all the anti-semantic chants and the placards from this "peaceful" march.Also, the poppy sellers that have been attacked and the Rochdale and Edinburgh war memorials being desecrated .and its my view and quite a few others Phil the mainstream media is left-wing it may not be your opinion but it is mine, but I forgot this is TWTD board and anything that's not left-wing needs to be stamped on and ban me if you like but you have allowed this board to become what it is a left-wing echo chamber |
Please set out which parts of the mainstream media you consider left wing. And also why left wing equates, in your view, with believing Palestinians should be free... [Post edited 12 Nov 2023 20:45]
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| So in a protest for peace on 20:47 - Nov 12 with 1014 views | bluebudgie |
| So in a protest for peace on 20:43 - Nov 12 by Herbivore |
Pretty much all of this is either false or nonsense or both. |
Explain what is false and nonsense and give evidence if you have any | | | |
| So in a protest for peace on 20:47 - Nov 12 with 1011 views | buoyant |
| So in a protest for peace on 20:41 - Nov 12 by bluebudgie |
This has been going on for weeks- in fact, immediately following the terrorist attacks of October 7th - and this clash with Armistice Day had been highlighted for a while. Now we see yet more genocidal chanting and placards. I take it posters on here are happy with all the anti-semantic chants and the placards from this "peaceful" march.Also, the poppy sellers that have been attacked and the Rochdale and Edinburgh war memorials being desecrated .and its my view and quite a few others Phil the mainstream media is left-wing it may not be your opinion but it is mine, but I forgot this is TWTD board and anything that's not left-wing needs to be stamped on and ban me if you like but you have allowed this board to become what it is a left-wing echo chamber |
Both pro and anti Brexit marches coincided with rememberance days as have many other peaceful protests, they were no more disrespectful that this weekend's
You've been had .... | |
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| So in a protest for peace on 20:51 - Nov 12 with 992 views | PhilTWTD |
| So in a protest for peace on 20:41 - Nov 12 by bluebudgie |
This has been going on for weeks- in fact, immediately following the terrorist attacks of October 7th - and this clash with Armistice Day had been highlighted for a while. Now we see yet more genocidal chanting and placards. I take it posters on here are happy with all the anti-semantic chants and the placards from this "peaceful" march.Also, the poppy sellers that have been attacked and the Rochdale and Edinburgh war memorials being desecrated .and its my view and quite a few others Phil the mainstream media is left-wing it may not be your opinion but it is mine, but I forgot this is TWTD board and anything that's not left-wing needs to be stamped on and ban me if you like but you have allowed this board to become what it is a left-wing echo chamber |
Have you read any of the posts in this thread and plenty of others? The chanting and placards you mention have been widely condemned by posters holding very differing views on the overall situation.
There are right wing posters on here and I've not banned you. You mention echo chambers but the idea that the mainstream media in this country is left wing is a view of far right social media bubbles and no one else and doesn't bear any serious analysis. | | | |
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