| George Edmundson 01:39 - Jan 2 with 5218 views | ChampionsofInnsbruck |
Should stay, and for me is contending to start after today. We shouldn’t be thinking of offing him to Portsmouth. Loan them Baggott, he’d thrive in a promotion chasing side and it will benefit us to give him that chance. Edmundson should remain here, with Wolfenden, Burgess and Axel T. and Baggott we finally have a selection of good centre half’s to decide from. A bit like Burley had Mowbray, Venus, McGreal, Bramble and Brown on the books.
Man of the match against Stoke for me. |  | | |  |
| George Edmundson on 01:42 - Jan 2 with 4858 views | BcarefulwhatUWish4 |
Agree. Considering he's had so few opportunities this season, he stepped up and played really well. |  | | |
| George Edmundson on 01:56 - Jan 2 with 4824 views | ParisBlue |
Was good against Hull and today, less so against Swansea.
Axel struggled vs Leeds and wasn't great vs Rotherham, but decent today.
Burgess has been good for a while, except vs Leeds.
Maybe Woolfenden is the key here. |  |
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| George Edmundson on 02:21 - Jan 2 with 4794 views | HalifaxBlue |
| George Edmundson on 01:56 - Jan 2 by ParisBlue |
Was good against Hull and today, less so against Swansea.
Axel struggled vs Leeds and wasn't great vs Rotherham, but decent today.
Burgess has been good for a while, except vs Leeds.
Maybe Woolfenden is the key here. |
I mentioned this in another thread, but Woolf has been our best CB this year and I think people underrate him due to our familiarity and due to Burgess exceeding expectations. He leads us in every defensive metric (per 90, not just volume) that isn't aerial (Burgess obviously), and has won a higher proportion of his tackles than any CB in the league bar Vestergaard.
The difference in average points won per game between when he plays and when he doesn't is higher than anyone else in the squad, including Morsy, Hirst, and Davis.
I know numbers don't tell the whole story, but he is key to the way we play and our success, and is actually a much better defender then we give him credit for.
I agree Edmundson was good today, but I see no way into the team regularly. A CB will likely be coming in, Tuanzebe will expect more minutes, and Woolf deserves to play. Burgess might find it tough coming back, and he's been good too. Unless Fridge is content with being a depth option he'll go. |  |
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| George Edmundson on 03:35 - Jan 2 with 4757 views | BondiBlue |
| George Edmundson on 02:21 - Jan 2 by HalifaxBlue |
I mentioned this in another thread, but Woolf has been our best CB this year and I think people underrate him due to our familiarity and due to Burgess exceeding expectations. He leads us in every defensive metric (per 90, not just volume) that isn't aerial (Burgess obviously), and has won a higher proportion of his tackles than any CB in the league bar Vestergaard.
The difference in average points won per game between when he plays and when he doesn't is higher than anyone else in the squad, including Morsy, Hirst, and Davis.
I know numbers don't tell the whole story, but he is key to the way we play and our success, and is actually a much better defender then we give him credit for.
I agree Edmundson was good today, but I see no way into the team regularly. A CB will likely be coming in, Tuanzebe will expect more minutes, and Woolf deserves to play. Burgess might find it tough coming back, and he's been good too. Unless Fridge is content with being a depth option he'll go. |
I've been very critical of edmundson in the past but he was excellent today.
Tuanzebe may expect to start but edmundson put in a better performance at CB yesterday than axel has managed so far. Given how often edmundson has played on the left, i wouldn't be at all surprised to see him start there while burgess is away and tuanzebe to continue to rotate with woolf and also cover at right back. If they are serious about getting tuanzebe fit, i doubt they'll be playing him every week for the rest of the season. |  |
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| George Edmundson on 07:47 - Jan 2 with 4464 views | rkc123 |
| George Edmundson on 02:21 - Jan 2 by HalifaxBlue |
I mentioned this in another thread, but Woolf has been our best CB this year and I think people underrate him due to our familiarity and due to Burgess exceeding expectations. He leads us in every defensive metric (per 90, not just volume) that isn't aerial (Burgess obviously), and has won a higher proportion of his tackles than any CB in the league bar Vestergaard.
The difference in average points won per game between when he plays and when he doesn't is higher than anyone else in the squad, including Morsy, Hirst, and Davis.
I know numbers don't tell the whole story, but he is key to the way we play and our success, and is actually a much better defender then we give him credit for.
I agree Edmundson was good today, but I see no way into the team regularly. A CB will likely be coming in, Tuanzebe will expect more minutes, and Woolf deserves to play. Burgess might find it tough coming back, and he's been good too. Unless Fridge is content with being a depth option he'll go. |
I think there's this strange paradoxical thing where players who come through the youth team are initially seen through rose tinted glasses, their potential inflated by the fact they are 'one of our own', and then oddly once they become established and actually do become a really good player, there is a tendency to undervalue their importance, perhaps it is the familiarity as you said.
I think Woolfenden has been excellent, and I think Tuanzebe has started to show glimpses of how good of a player he could be for us if he remains fit and keeps building his match sharpness, against Stoke yesterday there was a moment where they seemed to be in down the left, but he just eased into a higher gear and cleaned up with no fuss. Similarly there were a couple of moments where he drove through space into the midfield and played good passes, which I think is going to become increasingly important for us as teams are starting to dedicate players to preventing our drilled passing triangles out from the back between the defenders and Morsy/Luongo, having centre backs who can carry the ball beyond that press will expose the gaps left by teams who are committing more players to stopping our playing it out.
As good as Burgess has been, I didn't feel he was great against Leeds (obviously no one was) or Leicester, and despite turning into a far better player than I think anyone could have imagined when he first arrived with us, I could see Woolfenden and Tuanzebe becoming the first choice pairing when Burgess goes away for the Asia cup. [Post edited 2 Jan 2024 7:49]
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| George Edmundson on 07:50 - Jan 2 with 4450 views | BlueBoots |
| George Edmundson on 02:21 - Jan 2 by HalifaxBlue |
I mentioned this in another thread, but Woolf has been our best CB this year and I think people underrate him due to our familiarity and due to Burgess exceeding expectations. He leads us in every defensive metric (per 90, not just volume) that isn't aerial (Burgess obviously), and has won a higher proportion of his tackles than any CB in the league bar Vestergaard.
The difference in average points won per game between when he plays and when he doesn't is higher than anyone else in the squad, including Morsy, Hirst, and Davis.
I know numbers don't tell the whole story, but he is key to the way we play and our success, and is actually a much better defender then we give him credit for.
I agree Edmundson was good today, but I see no way into the team regularly. A CB will likely be coming in, Tuanzebe will expect more minutes, and Woolf deserves to play. Burgess might find it tough coming back, and he's been good too. Unless Fridge is content with being a depth option he'll go. |
"The difference in average points won per game between when he plays and when he doesn't is higher than anyone else in the squad, including Morsy, Hirst, and Davis."
Don't know where you got that stat from...as a team we're averaging 2.12PPG this season; it's 2.18PPG when Woolfenden plays, but the Top 4 are Hirst (2.30PPG), Broadhead (2.23PPG), Morsy (2.21PPG) and Burns (2.19PPG) |  |
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| George Edmundson on 08:04 - Jan 2 with 4385 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
He's usually fairly steady. You know what you're going to get with Edmundson. He'd be dependable if he stays and he'd be a really good pick up for someone else when we moves on to play regularly - which I think will be at the end of this window.
I think he's been unlucky at times not to feature more. The injury when McKenna came in probably really set him back and Burgess took that opportunity and has never looked back. |  |
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| George Edmundson on 08:12 - Jan 2 with 4337 views | Herbivore |
| George Edmundson on 02:21 - Jan 2 by HalifaxBlue |
I mentioned this in another thread, but Woolf has been our best CB this year and I think people underrate him due to our familiarity and due to Burgess exceeding expectations. He leads us in every defensive metric (per 90, not just volume) that isn't aerial (Burgess obviously), and has won a higher proportion of his tackles than any CB in the league bar Vestergaard.
The difference in average points won per game between when he plays and when he doesn't is higher than anyone else in the squad, including Morsy, Hirst, and Davis.
I know numbers don't tell the whole story, but he is key to the way we play and our success, and is actually a much better defender then we give him credit for.
I agree Edmundson was good today, but I see no way into the team regularly. A CB will likely be coming in, Tuanzebe will expect more minutes, and Woolf deserves to play. Burgess might find it tough coming back, and he's been good too. Unless Fridge is content with being a depth option he'll go. |
I'm not sure I see a CB signing being likely this window when we already have good options there, it's one area where we're well stocked and have genuine competition. I can see an argument for Edmondson being allowed to leave if he wants guaranteed football but not until the end of the window when Burgess and Baggott will be due back imminently. I agree on Woolf, he's been superb this season but in some quarters seems to have become something of a target, which is baffling to me as he's looked incredibly comfortable at this level and is one I expect there to be interest in from higher up if we don't get promoted. |  |
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| George Edmundson on 08:30 - Jan 2 with 4284 views | bournemouthblue |
I was amazed how well he did, he actually looks pretty well setup for teams with pace too
Tuanzebe who has had a pretty rough start for Town, looked better perhaps as a right back too, albeit will need to get better going forward but wasn't without promise |  |
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| George Edmundson on 08:40 - Jan 2 with 4242 views | LRB84UK |
| George Edmundson on 07:47 - Jan 2 by rkc123 |
I think there's this strange paradoxical thing where players who come through the youth team are initially seen through rose tinted glasses, their potential inflated by the fact they are 'one of our own', and then oddly once they become established and actually do become a really good player, there is a tendency to undervalue their importance, perhaps it is the familiarity as you said.
I think Woolfenden has been excellent, and I think Tuanzebe has started to show glimpses of how good of a player he could be for us if he remains fit and keeps building his match sharpness, against Stoke yesterday there was a moment where they seemed to be in down the left, but he just eased into a higher gear and cleaned up with no fuss. Similarly there were a couple of moments where he drove through space into the midfield and played good passes, which I think is going to become increasingly important for us as teams are starting to dedicate players to preventing our drilled passing triangles out from the back between the defenders and Morsy/Luongo, having centre backs who can carry the ball beyond that press will expose the gaps left by teams who are committing more players to stopping our playing it out.
As good as Burgess has been, I didn't feel he was great against Leeds (obviously no one was) or Leicester, and despite turning into a far better player than I think anyone could have imagined when he first arrived with us, I could see Woolfenden and Tuanzebe becoming the first choice pairing when Burgess goes away for the Asia cup. [Post edited 2 Jan 2024 7:49]
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Took my son to the Stoke game. He's 13 and this is his 3rd full season, we have season tickets and Stoke was his 10th away game I think. Anyway, this season he's not just "watching" football, he's properly involved, he's learning the ins and outs of the positions, he's definitely become a lot more interested in all aspects of the game. He said yesterday "the opposition must hate playing against woolfie, he's at the end of every ball they get into the box. And, for the rest of the game he was! Apart from one that was cleared by George, woolfie was at the end of every other cross to clear it out. His work rate is outstanding and has time and time again been man of the match for us this season. | | | |
| George Edmundson on 09:20 - Jan 2 with 4068 views | Scuzzer |
Prefer Burgess on the left by a mile.
Against Stoke Fridge passed the ball straight into touch twice because he is right footed. |  |
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| George Edmundson on 09:23 - Jan 2 with 4034 views | hype313 |
Wasn't that long ago he was one of the first names on the teamsheet, he obviously won't replace Cam or Wolfie, but he is more than adequate deputy. |  |
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| George Edmundson on 09:35 - Jan 2 with 3929 views | NthQldITFC |
| George Edmundson on 02:21 - Jan 2 by HalifaxBlue |
I mentioned this in another thread, but Woolf has been our best CB this year and I think people underrate him due to our familiarity and due to Burgess exceeding expectations. He leads us in every defensive metric (per 90, not just volume) that isn't aerial (Burgess obviously), and has won a higher proportion of his tackles than any CB in the league bar Vestergaard.
The difference in average points won per game between when he plays and when he doesn't is higher than anyone else in the squad, including Morsy, Hirst, and Davis.
I know numbers don't tell the whole story, but he is key to the way we play and our success, and is actually a much better defender then we give him credit for.
I agree Edmundson was good today, but I see no way into the team regularly. A CB will likely be coming in, Tuanzebe will expect more minutes, and Woolf deserves to play. Burgess might find it tough coming back, and he's been good too. Unless Fridge is content with being a depth option he'll go. |
One of the main reasons why Woolfie's stats are so good, and why he is one of the top two or three centre backs at this level is that he reads and anticipates and positions himself so well going into a 'tackle'. It means that he can just use a shoulder to lever an opponent of the ball and take or pass the ball away effectively. He rarely has to be gambling and throwing his body into a spectacular tackle, which is maybe why some don't fully appreciate his absolute prowess. |  |
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| George Edmundson on 09:43 - Jan 2 with 3886 views | StokieBlue |
| George Edmundson on 09:20 - Jan 2 by Scuzzer |
Prefer Burgess on the left by a mile.
Against Stoke Fridge passed the ball straight into touch twice because he is right footed. |
Not sure you should be basing your entire opinion on two passes.
Burgess is often guilty of doing the same thing because he has to wait longer for the ball to roll across him then play it with the left and is closed down. In his last match he passed it directly inside to their forward, I don't remember you basing your opinion on him on that pass though.
Burgess has been brilliant but in my opinion you're looking for a reason to criticise Fridge when you don't do the same for others. He did brilliantly, I think he could do a job every week but in reality it's great to know he's ready to step in when needed and cover for Burgess.
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| George Edmundson on 10:26 - Jan 2 with 3768 views | Clutch |
He's the obvious choice to replace Burgess for now. |  | | |
| George Edmundson on 10:33 - Jan 2 with 3742 views | Asa |
Possibly his best ever performance for us yesterday. Absolutely superb. Not sure if it comes across on the tv but his positioning and anticipation yesterday was first class as well.
The issue for me with Fridge has always been he follows up a magnificent display with a couple of poor ones.
I’d have been happy for him to move on yesterday morning. He’s totally won me over with that display. Just needs consistency because he could be anything he wants to be but with injuries, inconsistency and then the obvious rust from being out in the cold for months on end he never quite looks up to it long enough.
Terrific yesterday though and may have played himself into that position for the next few weeks at least. Still a concern over passes across his body out to the left in our system. But would love nothing more for him to be the next Hladky, Burgess etc and really kick on when his days looked numbered here. | | | |
| George Edmundson on 11:02 - Jan 2 with 3661 views | _clive_baker_ |
| George Edmundson on 09:35 - Jan 2 by NthQldITFC |
One of the main reasons why Woolfie's stats are so good, and why he is one of the top two or three centre backs at this level is that he reads and anticipates and positions himself so well going into a 'tackle'. It means that he can just use a shoulder to lever an opponent of the ball and take or pass the ball away effectively. He rarely has to be gambling and throwing his body into a spectacular tackle, which is maybe why some don't fully appreciate his absolute prowess. |
He does read the game superbly, his covering defensive work is really good. One that sticks in my mind was Southampton away where he read a ball before anyone on the pitch and got across to snuff out a Che Adams chance when it looked like he was going to score, we tend to forget how valuable contributions like that might prove to be. Countless examples of those that sometimes go unnoticed. He's a very good defender. |  | | |
| George Edmundson on 11:23 - Jan 2 with 3606 views | CobboldCrusty |
Worth mentioning Edmundson was also brilliant against Hull, in what was probably our performance of the season so far |  | | |
| George Edmundson on 23:11 - Jan 2 with 3285 views | PioneerBlue |
This is a tricky one for the club. Edmundson is contracted for time to come but likely wants game time. He’s been decent each time he’s come into the starting XI. However he has no route other than due to injury to get a start over Burgess once he’s back from internationals.
You could arguably go with Wolf, Tuanzebe, Burgess and Baggot. Allowing Edmundson to go on loan. It’s risky at this stage given where we are in the league. You don’t want things to unravel due to lack of injury cover down the line. We’ve seen now how a couple can have big impacts. | |
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| George Edmundson on 10:48 - Jan 3 with 2989 views | southnorfolkblue |
Isn't Baggott away for the Asia Cup? If so I doubt he'll be loaned anywhere | |
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| George Edmundson on 10:51 - Jan 3 with 2971 views | PhilTWTD |
As things stand, he's not going anywhere. Not really a surprise as we're short on centre-halves for the next month. |  | | |
| George Edmundson on 10:52 - Jan 3 with 2957 views | Herbivore |
| George Edmundson on 10:51 - Jan 3 by PhilTWTD |
As things stand, he's not going anywhere. Not really a surprise as we're short on centre-halves for the next month. |
He's also very much the most comfortable on the left of the three CBs here this month so I expect he'll be playing pretty regularly alongside Woolf or Tuanzebe. | |
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| George Edmundson on 10:58 - Jan 3 with 2907 views | PhilTWTD |
| George Edmundson on 10:52 - Jan 3 by Herbivore |
He's also very much the most comfortable on the left of the three CBs here this month so I expect he'll be playing pretty regularly alongside Woolf or Tuanzebe. |
Will be interesting to see him and Tuanzebe. I think he's been very unfortunate not to play more. | | | |
| George Edmundson on 11:01 - Jan 3 with 2884 views | Herbivore |
| George Edmundson on 10:58 - Jan 3 by PhilTWTD |
Will be interesting to see him and Tuanzebe. I think he's been very unfortunate not to play more. |
Burgess and Woolf have, by and large, been excellent this season so can understand the lack of opportunities for others. Fridge has done well whenever he's played and when he first signed for us he looked every inch a player who would easily step up to this level. Burgess' development over the last 18 months or so has been beyond what any of us could have expected really, he's done incredibly well and has basically frozen Fridge out. He's a fridge freezer, if you will. | |
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| George Edmundson on 11:14 - Jan 3 with 2828 views | _clive_baker_ |
| George Edmundson on 10:58 - Jan 3 by PhilTWTD |
Will be interesting to see him and Tuanzebe. I think he's been very unfortunate not to play more. |
I think we've got 4 good central defenders now. All growing in experience, good ages, fit and playing well when called upon. It's not a problem area at all and not one I would tinker with right now. Perhaps if Fridge wants assurances of regular football then a conversation might need to take place in the summer, but there's not much value in that now IMO (for either party I wouldn't think). | | | |
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