| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus 13:50 - Jan 15 with 12903 views | unstableblue |
Just consider this:
1) Trump hired a group of lawyers to prove the election was 'rigged', they reported no evidence. He hired a second group to do the same, and not only did they not find any evidence on wrongdoing, they turned into an-anti Trump group highlighting the fallacy of Trump's position.
2) Trump is facing 91 felony charges across 4 prosecutions
3) He without doubt instigated the Capitol insurrection
He has lied 1000s of times, and on all of the issues above. He is out of control in court, seemingly thinking he has impunity. He has radicalised huge swathes of the American public to be anti-State.
If he is put up against Biden.. he will A) Win and/or B) further radicalise and polarise the American population.
Trump for me is one of the maddest events/movements we have ever seen in our lifetimes.
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| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 20:45 - Jan 15 with 1955 views | StokieBlue |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 20:39 - Jan 15 by Europablue |
Thank you for your educational flex. I studied American politics too, but I probably learnt more by listening to arguments testing my principles after uni than when I was at uni.
I'm happy that you find it amusing.
Anyway, if you in your superior knowledge take issue with something I actually said then by all means talk to me. If people make comments that show lacking in understanding, isn't it natural to debate that in a forum?
I says a lot about the weakness of a person's argument if they criticize the person rather than what they said.
Democrats and Republicans alike know how to use the US political system for their own means, but on the whole they don't serve the interests of the people. Trump doesn't have any morals aside from winning. So he's not a model human by any means. The one great thing he has going for him is that he will shake things up and state obvious truths for example why does America provide all security for Europe and only the UK and maybe Malta pays the agreed upon 2% of GDP? The reaction of the Democrats to Trump is very dangerous, they have shifted the political norms so now expect every President to be impeached. |
"The reaction of the Democrats to Trump is very dangerous, they have shifted the political norms so now expect every President to be impeached."
Yet the previous attempt to impeach a president was undertaken by the Republicans and that was the first for 100 years so who really shifted the political norm?
You're trying very hard to appear to be not partisan but it slips out every so often.
SB |  | | |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 20:47 - Jan 15 with 1951 views | JohnTy |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 20:39 - Jan 15 by Europablue |
Thank you for your educational flex. I studied American politics too, but I probably learnt more by listening to arguments testing my principles after uni than when I was at uni.
I'm happy that you find it amusing.
Anyway, if you in your superior knowledge take issue with something I actually said then by all means talk to me. If people make comments that show lacking in understanding, isn't it natural to debate that in a forum?
I says a lot about the weakness of a person's argument if they criticize the person rather than what they said.
Democrats and Republicans alike know how to use the US political system for their own means, but on the whole they don't serve the interests of the people. Trump doesn't have any morals aside from winning. So he's not a model human by any means. The one great thing he has going for him is that he will shake things up and state obvious truths for example why does America provide all security for Europe and only the UK and maybe Malta pays the agreed upon 2% of GDP? The reaction of the Democrats to Trump is very dangerous, they have shifted the political norms so now expect every President to be impeached. |
I am sorry but I find your posts quite extraordinary. Let us leave it there. |  | | |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 20:56 - Jan 15 with 1910 views | Europablue |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 20:45 - Jan 15 by StokieBlue |
"The reaction of the Democrats to Trump is very dangerous, they have shifted the political norms so now expect every President to be impeached."
Yet the previous attempt to impeach a president was undertaken by the Republicans and that was the first for 100 years so who really shifted the political norm?
You're trying very hard to appear to be not partisan but it slips out every so often.
SB |
I don't remember the target being set on Clinton's back like it has been with Trump. My impression was probably that previously the Republicans were waiting for a slip-up then pounced. What Clinton got in trouble for was nothing compared to what has happened before in American history. So yes, you could say that the political norm was shifted, but it's interesting that it wasn't weaponized again until it was used against Trump. Whereas Nancy Pelosi publically stated that she was going to impeach him. The way they used it was frankly a waste of time and money. You can't impeach someone because you don't like their politics because you need a majority to successfully impeach someone.
"You're trying very hard to appear to be not partisan but it slips out every so often." that sounds like the pot calling the kettle black. You probably hate Trump so much you can't be rational about him. I'm not a Trump supporter, pragmatically I think he's better than Biden. Ron Desantis is more of a role model, but obviously he's not as charismatic as Trump. |  | | |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 20:59 - Jan 15 with 1905 views | Europablue |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 20:47 - Jan 15 by JohnTy |
I am sorry but I find your posts quite extraordinary. Let us leave it there. |
I don't know if you have the knowledge or ability to counter anything I have said, you may well do, but just haven't.
All I can say is that without challenging anything I have said your comments are pointless and worthless. | | | |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 21:03 - Jan 15 with 1887 views | StokieBlue |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 20:56 - Jan 15 by Europablue |
I don't remember the target being set on Clinton's back like it has been with Trump. My impression was probably that previously the Republicans were waiting for a slip-up then pounced. What Clinton got in trouble for was nothing compared to what has happened before in American history. So yes, you could say that the political norm was shifted, but it's interesting that it wasn't weaponized again until it was used against Trump. Whereas Nancy Pelosi publically stated that she was going to impeach him. The way they used it was frankly a waste of time and money. You can't impeach someone because you don't like their politics because you need a majority to successfully impeach someone.
"You're trying very hard to appear to be not partisan but it slips out every so often." that sounds like the pot calling the kettle black. You probably hate Trump so much you can't be rational about him. I'm not a Trump supporter, pragmatically I think he's better than Biden. Ron Desantis is more of a role model, but obviously he's not as charismatic as Trump. |
"that sounds like the pot calling the kettle black. You probably hate Trump so much you can't be rational about him."
Given I have offered absolutely no opinion about Trump you've once again shown your hand. Probably best not to claim non-partisan ship then jump to the defence of said party/individual when he's not even been mentioned.
"Ron Desantis is more of a role model"
Hard to know how to respond to a statement like that.
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| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 21:10 - Jan 15 with 1869 views | JohnTy |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 20:59 - Jan 15 by Europablue |
I don't know if you have the knowledge or ability to counter anything I have said, you may well do, but just haven't.
All I can say is that without challenging anything I have said your comments are pointless and worthless. |
I think the more you study a subject the less likely you are to come out with the kind of statements you make, and the more likely to be aware of your own limitations. I think Bukowski had something relevant to say about it. | | | |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 21:18 - Jan 15 with 1843 views | Europablue |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 21:03 - Jan 15 by StokieBlue |
"that sounds like the pot calling the kettle black. You probably hate Trump so much you can't be rational about him."
Given I have offered absolutely no opinion about Trump you've once again shown your hand. Probably best not to claim non-partisan ship then jump to the defence of said party/individual when he's not even been mentioned.
"Ron Desantis is more of a role model"
Hard to know how to respond to a statement like that.
SB |
I think I lost track of who said what to be honest.
When I said role model I meant more of a man of character. Surely, you aren't going to argue that Trump who has the moral fortitude of Hillary Clinton and is a serial philanderer has more moral character than Ron DiSantis who is a conservative Christian family man?
it doesn't sound like you are interested in an honest debate. So unless you have something to say yourself or something of substance to criticise, I will just ignore you. | | | |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 21:23 - Jan 15 with 1829 views | Europablue |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 21:10 - Jan 15 by JohnTy |
I think the more you study a subject the less likely you are to come out with the kind of statements you make, and the more likely to be aware of your own limitations. I think Bukowski had something relevant to say about it. |
You might be a bit institutionalized if you offer up a name rather than your own thoughts.
You might have said something when you said "I think the more you study a subject the less likely you are to come out with the kind of statements you make", but as a learned man, you know very well that you need to cite an example to make a proper point. | | | |
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| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 21:29 - Jan 15 with 1823 views | StokieBlue |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 21:18 - Jan 15 by Europablue |
I think I lost track of who said what to be honest.
When I said role model I meant more of a man of character. Surely, you aren't going to argue that Trump who has the moral fortitude of Hillary Clinton and is a serial philanderer has more moral character than Ron DiSantis who is a conservative Christian family man?
it doesn't sound like you are interested in an honest debate. So unless you have something to say yourself or something of substance to criticise, I will just ignore you. |
"Surely, you aren't going to argue that Trump who has the moral fortitude of Hillary Clinton"
Yep, you're definitely not partisan....
"Surely, you aren't going to argue that Trump who has the moral fortitude of Hillary Clinton and is a serial philanderer has more moral character than Ron DiSantis who is a conservative Christian family man?"
I've not argued that or anything like it yet your the one claiming it's not a honest debate?
I don't really care about this conservative Christian morals, one could easily argue they aren't that moral when he seeks to take the rights of women and LGBT people but that's not a debate I'm going to get into with you.
"it doesn't sound like you are interested in an honest debate"
An unbelievable statement given you're putting words into my mouth and posting in a clearly partisan way whilst claiming not to be.
Feel free to ignore me.
SB | | | |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 21:50 - Jan 15 with 1779 views | Europablue |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 21:29 - Jan 15 by StokieBlue |
"Surely, you aren't going to argue that Trump who has the moral fortitude of Hillary Clinton"
Yep, you're definitely not partisan....
"Surely, you aren't going to argue that Trump who has the moral fortitude of Hillary Clinton and is a serial philanderer has more moral character than Ron DiSantis who is a conservative Christian family man?"
I've not argued that or anything like it yet your the one claiming it's not a honest debate?
I don't really care about this conservative Christian morals, one could easily argue they aren't that moral when he seeks to take the rights of women and LGBT people but that's not a debate I'm going to get into with you.
"it doesn't sound like you are interested in an honest debate"
An unbelievable statement given you're putting words into my mouth and posting in a clearly partisan way whilst claiming not to be.
Feel free to ignore me.
SB |
I guess you get a kick out of saying vague things then trying to state that you didn't insinuate while not directly engaging in discussion. Maybe you just have a bet with a mate how many times you can get me to respond even though you don't directly refuse a specific thing I say.
I don't think I ever said that I wasn't partisan. I hate the concept of the party system, actually, the founding fathers of America didn't plan on party politics. It's a ridiculous concept to me to support all policies of a party because you happen to most align with that party.
Hillary and Trump are both awful because they don't have any moral integrity. They would do anything to win. I'm not religious, but I respect someone who holds principled beliefs. Maybe some see gay people as deviant, but they aren't about taking women's rights as far as I can see. They would probably advocate for the value of men and women being equal but different. My point is that if someone is consistent and has considered beliefs, I can respect them even if I strongly disagree with their argument.
I'm more conservative in that I believe in the wisdom of my ancestors, but I don't see them as perfect so there are things to fine-tune and improve on.
"you're putting words into my mouth and posting in a clearly partisan way whilst claiming not to be" did I say that or did you say that?
"Feel free to ignore me." I might take you up on that offer, but I will reply if you want to engage in discussion. | | | |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 01:36 - Jan 16 with 1646 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 18:54 - Jan 15 by Europablue |
Think of it like the EU has 27 countries each with their own laws.
There are positive features of first past the post. I really appreciate the idea of MPs having constituents so you can directly contact your MP if you have a problem. First past the post also prevents atomization and extremism. The only big problem with first past the post is that we have two very similar parties that are basically interchangeable. The Conservatives don't conserve anything and Labour don't care about work or the working class. |
I live in Edinburgh. I have a constituency MP for the Westminster UK Parliament, elected by FPTP. I also have a constituency MSP, for the Holyrood Scottish Parliament, elected by FPTP but with the option to express second etc preferences, so that the overall composition of Parliament adjusted, through the D'Hondt Method, by Additional Members being allocated on a regional basis.
It gives the best of both worlds. | | | |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 08:21 - Jan 16 with 1554 views | keighleyblue |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 18:14 - Jan 15 by Europablue |
You have just proven that you don't have a great handle on the whole American system of democracy. To be fair the Democrats don't seem to understand it either!
The whole concept is that rights are to be reserved to the States, meaning that unless something absolutely has to be decided on the Federal level, the decision should be made at the State level. It's why it was the correct decision from the Supreme Court to overturn Rowe V Wade.
Your voter in Wyoming, in general, the less populous States only has proportionately more voting in the Senate. In most cases, if the Senate rejects a bill Californians can just enact the same thing in their own State.
Isn't it interesting that politicians from California and New York seem hell-bent on having influence in other States by telling people what to do?
A candidate being able to get fewer votes is part of the system. If a competition is run based on rules then the competitors play to those rules. It's like saying we won because we got more corners when everyone else was playing to score more goals.
The thing that you have to understand about America is that there is a very delicate system it's designed to avoid tyranny of the majority. The consent to be governed is based on each State having two senators. |
in other news, the world is flat... |  | | |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 09:21 - Jan 16 with 1507 views | Blueschev |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 21:50 - Jan 15 by Europablue |
I guess you get a kick out of saying vague things then trying to state that you didn't insinuate while not directly engaging in discussion. Maybe you just have a bet with a mate how many times you can get me to respond even though you don't directly refuse a specific thing I say.
I don't think I ever said that I wasn't partisan. I hate the concept of the party system, actually, the founding fathers of America didn't plan on party politics. It's a ridiculous concept to me to support all policies of a party because you happen to most align with that party.
Hillary and Trump are both awful because they don't have any moral integrity. They would do anything to win. I'm not religious, but I respect someone who holds principled beliefs. Maybe some see gay people as deviant, but they aren't about taking women's rights as far as I can see. They would probably advocate for the value of men and women being equal but different. My point is that if someone is consistent and has considered beliefs, I can respect them even if I strongly disagree with their argument.
I'm more conservative in that I believe in the wisdom of my ancestors, but I don't see them as perfect so there are things to fine-tune and improve on.
"you're putting words into my mouth and posting in a clearly partisan way whilst claiming not to be" did I say that or did you say that?
"Feel free to ignore me." I might take you up on that offer, but I will reply if you want to engage in discussion. |
In what world is seeing gay people as "deviant" a principled belief? |  | | |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 09:27 - Jan 16 with 1484 views | nodge_blue |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 15:15 - Jan 15 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Yep, I said the same at the weekend. I've no doubt he'll attempt to change the constitution to permit multiple terms of office - **See also Putin |
Exactly that. I can just see it coming. Constitution not fit for 21st century. I have had my legal team look into that and hey ho we are going to cross a few words out. |  |
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| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 09:31 - Jan 16 with 1469 views | eireblue |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 21:50 - Jan 15 by Europablue |
I guess you get a kick out of saying vague things then trying to state that you didn't insinuate while not directly engaging in discussion. Maybe you just have a bet with a mate how many times you can get me to respond even though you don't directly refuse a specific thing I say.
I don't think I ever said that I wasn't partisan. I hate the concept of the party system, actually, the founding fathers of America didn't plan on party politics. It's a ridiculous concept to me to support all policies of a party because you happen to most align with that party.
Hillary and Trump are both awful because they don't have any moral integrity. They would do anything to win. I'm not religious, but I respect someone who holds principled beliefs. Maybe some see gay people as deviant, but they aren't about taking women's rights as far as I can see. They would probably advocate for the value of men and women being equal but different. My point is that if someone is consistent and has considered beliefs, I can respect them even if I strongly disagree with their argument.
I'm more conservative in that I believe in the wisdom of my ancestors, but I don't see them as perfect so there are things to fine-tune and improve on.
"you're putting words into my mouth and posting in a clearly partisan way whilst claiming not to be" did I say that or did you say that?
"Feel free to ignore me." I might take you up on that offer, but I will reply if you want to engage in discussion. |
The wisdom of my ancenstors,…..hmmmmmm……..which ones Homo Floresiensis, Homo Erectus, or slightly more modern, Babylonians, Neolithic Greeks?
We need specifics. |  | | |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 09:32 - Jan 16 with 1464 views | StokieBlue |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 09:27 - Jan 16 by nodge_blue |
Exactly that. I can just see it coming. Constitution not fit for 21st century. I have had my legal team look into that and hey ho we are going to cross a few words out. |
The obvious thing for him attempt to do is a "Putin" and change the constitution to allow more than 2 terms.
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| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 09:39 - Jan 16 with 1440 views | nodge_blue |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 09:32 - Jan 16 by StokieBlue |
The obvious thing for him attempt to do is a "Putin" and change the constitution to allow more than 2 terms.
SB |
Yes exactly. I think any second term for him will be more chaotic than the first as he will see that he doesn't have to play by the rules at all. He just has to say a bunch of radical stuff and a huge chunk of people lap it up, regardless of how much truth it contains.
He will probably make the UK either try to totally support him or just cast us off. If its the later, which under Labour it should be, then it will hopefully at least speed up us at least rejoining the EU custom union and maybe some more looser political alliance.
As for Ukraine. I sadly think that will be huge for them too. | |
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| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 09:50 - Jan 16 with 1417 views | DanTheMan |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 09:39 - Jan 16 by nodge_blue |
Yes exactly. I think any second term for him will be more chaotic than the first as he will see that he doesn't have to play by the rules at all. He just has to say a bunch of radical stuff and a huge chunk of people lap it up, regardless of how much truth it contains.
He will probably make the UK either try to totally support him or just cast us off. If its the later, which under Labour it should be, then it will hopefully at least speed up us at least rejoining the EU custom union and maybe some more looser political alliance.
As for Ukraine. I sadly think that will be huge for them too. |
I'd argue it'll be less chaotic. Last time the party and his team had no real plan on what they wanted to do and how to achieve it so they didn't really get anything done.
This time though, they've got a master plan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025
TL;DR - Sack anyone who isn't a conservative, make the President a dictator, and promote Christian Nationalism.
Honestly, it's scary stuff. |  |
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| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 10:11 - Jan 16 with 1382 views | Europablue |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 09:21 - Jan 16 by Blueschev |
In what world is seeing gay people as "deviant" a principled belief? |
This forum really seems to be a weird echo chamber where people are just looking to attack others rather than engage in fair discussion people really seem to take the points in whatever way allows them to win points.
This really is just a side issue. My original point is that I have no respect for politicians like Hillary Clinton and Trump who are not principled. The exact moment that Hillary Clinton supported gay marriage is when the polls suggested it was a winning position.
I see anything consistent as a principled belief even if I disagree with it even if it is someone being racist against me or something like that. At least you know where you stand with people like that.
As far as I know, DeSantis stands for States rights and family values, and that seems a lot better than individualism and the win-at-any-cost mentality of Trump. I get attacked for saying that I don't like Trump, is that because I don't hate him enough and I can see some positives? Biden is the worst-case scenario. Aside from being a career politician who only cares about power and influence, he really should be impeached on medical grounds as he is not physically up to the job. It is no coincidence that despots and terrorist organizations are acting now because there is a leadership vacuum. | | | |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 10:11 - Jan 16 with 1379 views | eireblue |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 09:50 - Jan 16 by DanTheMan |
I'd argue it'll be less chaotic. Last time the party and his team had no real plan on what they wanted to do and how to achieve it so they didn't really get anything done.
This time though, they've got a master plan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025
TL;DR - Sack anyone who isn't a conservative, make the President a dictator, and promote Christian Nationalism.
Honestly, it's scary stuff. |
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| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 10:28 - Jan 16 with 1352 views | Europablue |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 09:31 - Jan 16 by eireblue |
The wisdom of my ancenstors,…..hmmmmmm……..which ones Homo Floresiensis, Homo Erectus, or slightly more modern, Babylonians, Neolithic Greeks?
We need specifics. |
Here's the dictionary definition "a person, typically one more remote than a grandparent, from whom one is descended."
We have a proud history in Britain. Yes, we built on past civilizations like the ancient Greeks, and America took on some of the best of our enlightenment thinking.
Parents and grandparents are also considered ancestors.
My grandfather fought in WW2 against Nazis and Fascists. All of my grandparents were hardworking and were very family-oriented. Obviously, there are some things that they believed that I disagree with, but the point is that they and the collective people of Britain have handed down a cultural legacy and we should think very carefully before we discard anything. It's not to say that young people don't have value and things can't be changed.
Young British people have a duty to build on those strong foundations in the spirit of an open society with the principles of fair play. | | | |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 10:41 - Jan 16 with 1321 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 09:21 - Jan 16 by Blueschev |
In what world is seeing gay people as "deviant" a principled belief? |
It isn't. But recently we were being told that not wearing rainbow laces was ok if it clashed with certain players religious beliefs. |  |
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| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 10:51 - Jan 16 with 1307 views | Blueschev |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 10:41 - Jan 16 by GlasgowBlue |
It isn't. But recently we were being told that not wearing rainbow laces was ok if it clashed with certain players religious beliefs. |
I don't believe people should be forced in to gestures that they do not agree with, it's counter-productive and weakens the message in my opinion. But I'd also be within my rights to be of the thinking that the player not doing so had a pretty scummy belief system. | | | |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 10:54 - Jan 16 with 1296 views | StokieBlue |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 10:28 - Jan 16 by Europablue |
Here's the dictionary definition "a person, typically one more remote than a grandparent, from whom one is descended."
We have a proud history in Britain. Yes, we built on past civilizations like the ancient Greeks, and America took on some of the best of our enlightenment thinking.
Parents and grandparents are also considered ancestors.
My grandfather fought in WW2 against Nazis and Fascists. All of my grandparents were hardworking and were very family-oriented. Obviously, there are some things that they believed that I disagree with, but the point is that they and the collective people of Britain have handed down a cultural legacy and we should think very carefully before we discard anything. It's not to say that young people don't have value and things can't be changed.
Young British people have a duty to build on those strong foundations in the spirit of an open society with the principles of fair play. |
Can I ask why you say "we have a proud history in Britain" whilst continually writing in American English?
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