| Over to you Keir 10:45 - Feb 12 with 10552 views | GlasgowBlue |
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| Over to you Keir on 18:27 - Feb 12 with 2100 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Over to you Keir on 18:11 - Feb 12 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I was unaware that he had admitted and apologised for being antisemitic.
Certainly I am learning about them and should I see anything I considered to be or had anything reported to me that someone felt was, I would pass it on whether I thought it was or not - it is not my place to judge the intent.
Part of the education is engaging and asking the questions. |
I think you can safely assume that at this point the party machinery will be getting him to say whatever they deem as necessary! If he wins they will probably suspend him as the easy option. |  |
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| Over to you Keir on 18:29 - Feb 12 with 2091 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Over to you Keir on 18:24 - Feb 12 by Nthsuffolkblue |
To be fair to GB, "apologised “unreservedly to the Jewish community” for the comments, which he acknowledged were “deeply offensive, ignorant and false”." is the same as antisemitic surely?
EDIT: although, GB being aware of the apology before posting "Over to you, Keir", presumably means that he doesn't accept the apology and doesn't think Starmer should either too. [Post edited 12 Feb 2024 18:30]
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| Over to you Keir on 18:29 - Feb 12 with 2085 views | positivity |
| Over to you Keir on 18:24 - Feb 12 by Nthsuffolkblue |
To be fair to GB, "apologised “unreservedly to the Jewish community” for the comments, which he acknowledged were “deeply offensive, ignorant and false”." is the same as antisemitic surely?
EDIT: although, GB being aware of the apology before posting "Over to you, Keir", presumably means that he doesn't accept the apology and doesn't think Starmer should either too. [Post edited 12 Feb 2024 18:30]
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potentially, i guess it could be |  |
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| Over to you Keir on 18:32 - Feb 12 with 2070 views | positivity |
same question to you as to glasgow, explain why? | |
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| Over to you Keir on 18:35 - Feb 12 with 2063 views | positivity |
| Over to you Keir on 18:27 - Feb 12 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I think you can safely assume that at this point the party machinery will be getting him to say whatever they deem as necessary! If he wins they will probably suspend him as the easy option. |
what other option do they have? they can't drop him without handing the victory to george galloway, which would be far worse for everyone.
if they take a different view to louise ellman, they can replace him at the general election. the apology seems genuine to me from his previous character | |
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| Over to you Keir on 18:41 - Feb 12 with 2051 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Over to you Keir on 18:35 - Feb 12 by positivity |
what other option do they have? they can't drop him without handing the victory to george galloway, which would be far worse for everyone.
if they take a different view to louise ellman, they can replace him at the general election. the apology seems genuine to me from his previous character |
I guess that will depend on how much the media want to kick up a story after the result. Votes of confidence from Jews haven't counted for much in previous incidents historically in the party as far as the media is concerned. | |
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| Over to you Keir on 19:41 - Feb 12 with 1993 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Over to you Keir on 18:32 - Feb 12 by positivity |
same question to you as to glasgow, explain why? |
Just because something might be “deeply offensive, ignorant and false" and upset some or even most of the Jewish community doesn't make it antisemitic. | |
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| Over to you Keir on 19:47 - Feb 12 with 1975 views | DJR |
BREAKING NEWs
Labour have withdrawn support for candidate.
But given they doubled-down on support for the candidate earlier in the day, it looks pretty inept/unprincipled on the part of Labour/Starmer. [Post edited 12 Feb 2024 19:51]
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| Over to you Keir on 19:49 - Feb 12 with 1954 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Over to you Keir on 19:47 - Feb 12 by DJR |
BREAKING NEWs
Labour have withdrawn support for candidate.
But given they doubled-down on support for the candidate earlier in the day, it looks pretty inept/unprincipled on the part of Labour/Starmer. [Post edited 12 Feb 2024 19:51]
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Does that count as a 'U' turn? |  |
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| Over to you Keir on 19:51 - Feb 12 with 1946 views | bluelagos |
| Over to you Keir on 19:47 - Feb 12 by DJR |
BREAKING NEWs
Labour have withdrawn support for candidate.
But given they doubled-down on support for the candidate earlier in the day, it looks pretty inept/unprincipled on the part of Labour/Starmer. [Post edited 12 Feb 2024 19:51]
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Welcome news, better late than never |  |
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| Over to you Keir on 19:56 - Feb 12 with 1933 views | DJR |
| Over to you Keir on 19:51 - Feb 12 by bluelagos |
Welcome news, better late than never |
With no support or campaigning for Labour and the Greens, this may well open the door to Georgeous George. | | | |
| Over to you Keir on 20:09 - Feb 12 with 1908 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Over to you Keir on 19:49 - Feb 12 by Pinewoodblue |
Does that count as a 'U' turn? |
Not if it’s off the back of new information, which is what they’re claiming. But then they would say that wouldn’t they. Who knows what’s going on. |  |
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| Over to you Keir on 20:13 - Feb 12 with 1881 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Over to you Keir on 20:09 - Feb 12 by Swansea_Blue |
Not if it’s off the back of new information, which is what they’re claiming. But then they would say that wouldn’t they. Who knows what’s going on. |
Thought he said it before he was selected. Still think he will be elected presumably it will still say, on the ballot paper, he is Labour candidate.
Tories still won't win not sure LIbDems will flood the place and give it a good go. | |
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| Over to you Keir on 22:09 - Feb 12 with 1796 views | bournemouthblue |
| Over to you Keir on 20:13 - Feb 12 by Pinewoodblue |
Thought he said it before he was selected. Still think he will be elected presumably it will still say, on the ballot paper, he is Labour candidate.
Tories still won't win not sure LIbDems will flood the place and give it a good go. |
He'll now just be an independent I guess
Colour me cynical but I don't expect Glasgow to congratulate Starmer on this 'U-Turn' |  |
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| Over to you Keir on 22:26 - Feb 12 with 1767 views | positivity |
| Over to you Keir on 19:56 - Feb 12 by DJR |
With no support or campaigning for Labour and the Greens, this may well open the door to Georgeous George. |
egregious george.
shame the tories have just enabled a genuine anti-semite. bcwywf | |
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| Over to you Keir on 22:34 - Feb 12 with 1754 views | DJR |
| Over to you Keir on 20:09 - Feb 12 by Swansea_Blue |
Not if it’s off the back of new information, which is what they’re claiming. But then they would say that wouldn’t they. Who knows what’s going on. |
The other possibility is that they had hoped to keep a lid on the row, with Louise Elman and the Jewish Labour Movement not demanding he be disowned, but that that line became increasingly difficult as the day wore on with there still being strong criticism.
But as I suggested this doesn't sound a particularly principled position because, if they were going to disown him, they would have been better to have done it first thing, or at least not come out straight away in support of him. | | | |
| Over to you Keir on 22:57 - Feb 12 with 1721 views | Zx1988 |
| Over to you Keir on 20:09 - Feb 12 by Swansea_Blue |
Not if it’s off the back of new information, which is what they’re claiming. But then they would say that wouldn’t they. Who knows what’s going on. |
It feels like it could well be a well-orchestrated stitch-up job by The Times, on behalf of their paymasters.
Report the lesser incident, wait for Labour to refuse to drop their candidate, and then attempt to torpedo them with something far less ambiguous. | |
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| Over to you Keir on 20:11 - Feb 13 with 1522 views | Zx1988 |
Another one now. According to the first paragraph of the BBC article he "made comments about Israel".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68289460
Since when has it been considered antisemitic to state "F**Ing Israel"?!
This is all starting to go absolutely batsh*t mental. I would fully expect the UK government to take decisive action against any UK nationals travelling abroad to participate in any sort of genocidal actions. [Post edited 13 Feb 2024 20:16]
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| Over to you Keir on 20:25 - Feb 13 with 1481 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Over to you Keir on 20:11 - Feb 13 by Zx1988 |
Another one now. According to the first paragraph of the BBC article he "made comments about Israel".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68289460
Since when has it been considered antisemitic to state "F**Ing Israel"?!
This is all starting to go absolutely batsh*t mental. I would fully expect the UK government to take decisive action against any UK nationals travelling abroad to participate in any sort of genocidal actions. [Post edited 13 Feb 2024 20:16]
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Starmer will do anything to avoid alienating voters. | |
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| Over to you Keir on 20:27 - Feb 13 with 1472 views | Zx1988 |
| Over to you Keir on 20:25 - Feb 13 by Pinewoodblue |
Starmer will do anything to avoid alienating voters. |
I imagine there's more than a dollop of "once bitten, twice shy" as well.
After Monday's incident, I wouldn't be at all surprised if this is another incident where the beefier stuff might have been withheld pending Labour's initial reaction. | |
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| Over to you Keir on 20:27 - Feb 13 with 1471 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Over to you Keir on 20:11 - Feb 13 by Zx1988 |
Another one now. According to the first paragraph of the BBC article he "made comments about Israel".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68289460
Since when has it been considered antisemitic to state "F**Ing Israel"?!
This is all starting to go absolutely batsh*t mental. I would fully expect the UK government to take decisive action against any UK nationals travelling abroad to participate in any sort of genocidal actions. [Post edited 13 Feb 2024 20:16]
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Who cares, Starmer is looking tough and decisive (ish). We already knew he has no principles so it's all good. | |
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| Over to you Keir on 20:35 - Feb 13 with 1439 views | MattinLondon |
| Over to you Keir on 20:27 - Feb 13 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Who cares, Starmer is looking tough and decisive (ish). We already knew he has no principles so it's all good. |
Of course he has principles- more so than the previous Labour leader. |  | | |
| Over to you Keir on 20:39 - Feb 13 with 1417 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Over to you Keir on 20:35 - Feb 13 by MattinLondon |
Of course he has principles- more so than the previous Labour leader. |
Of course he does. A new set for every day of the year. | |
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| Over to you Keir on 20:46 - Feb 13 with 1405 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Over to you Keir on 20:11 - Feb 13 by Zx1988 |
Another one now. According to the first paragraph of the BBC article he "made comments about Israel".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68289460
Since when has it been considered antisemitic to state "F**Ing Israel"?!
This is all starting to go absolutely batsh*t mental. I would fully expect the UK government to take decisive action against any UK nationals travelling abroad to participate in any sort of genocidal actions. [Post edited 13 Feb 2024 20:16]
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I don't see any antisemitism in saying "Fcuk Israel". He dis go on to say that dual nationals who joined the IDF should be locked up but he is incorrect in his interpretation of the law. Dual nationals can join the IDF, and regardless how things have turned out in the Israeli/Palestine conflict, I think it is entirely understandable that dual nationals would want to fight for the IDF after the events of 7/10. Again, I don't think that statement is anti semitic. What is troubling is that Jones made this statement at the same meeting that Ali engaged in an anti semitic conspiracy theory.
Regarding Ali. I made my view very clear last night why I think Ali's comments were anti semitic. More importantly, Martin Forde, the man that even DarthKoont continually put up as the arbiter of what is and isn't anti semitic, stated that what Ali said was anti semitic and that "there's no coming back from comments like that". | |
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| Over to you Keir on 21:01 - Feb 13 with 1384 views | phillymark |
| Over to you Keir on 17:21 - Feb 12 by positivity |
i'm only guessing, but the implication that netanyahu knew AND then took border guards away from their posts tips it into conspiracy theory for me.
as to the anti-semitism angle, people with more expertise than me can let us know, please! |
Classic antisemitism puts Jews at the top of conspiracies. | | | |
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