| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium 20:45 - Feb 24 with 8688 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Where the people around me actually know about football? That 10 minute spell in the 2nd half where Brum were pressing was unbearable.
"Nooooooo not backwards!! Forward!!!"
"Go to him Wolfie"
"What the F8ck???"
"Quicker!! Too Slow"
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| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 16:02 - Feb 25 with 2105 views | Vegtablue |
| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 15:21 - Feb 25 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Sorry? Leicester and Leeds are not receiving parachute payments?
Has anyone told them? |
Err yeah they were set to receive £45M each this season. Unsure why they wouldn't have been paid? |  | | |
| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 16:40 - Feb 25 with 2033 views | AlanG296 |
| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 14:15 - Feb 25 by ITFC1977 |
I think you’ll find Leicester and Leeds are not receiving parachute payments but I agree with your point. |
They don't get the £44,000,000.00 payment for this season if they don't go straight back up but it does mean they can gamble on spending £44,000,000.00 on getting promotion that we can't. It's insurance against further failure. | | | |
| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 16:51 - Feb 25 with 2028 views | PrideOfTheEast |
I had to move to corporate to get away from them (which has largely worked) - I didn’t trust myself. Still struggle at away games and it’s dangerous after a few beers to not end up arguing with them.
On the train yesterday somebody was saying that he can’t understand some of mckenna’s decisions. We should have played Jackson as a 9 against Rotherham and sold Broadhead in January apparently. This bloke was at least 40. | | | |
| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 17:10 - Feb 25 with 1994 views | Vegtablue |
| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 16:40 - Feb 25 by AlanG296 |
They don't get the £44,000,000.00 payment for this season if they don't go straight back up but it does mean they can gamble on spending £44,000,000.00 on getting promotion that we can't. It's insurance against further failure. |
Are you sure that's correct? My understanding is they received part of the £45M in the summer and part of it in January. If they are promoted this season further payments will cease, which would amount to £111M across three seasons in the event they stay here indefinitely, but they don't forego their payments this season and should have already received them in full. | | | |
| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 17:11 - Feb 25 with 1992 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 16:51 - Feb 25 by PrideOfTheEast |
I had to move to corporate to get away from them (which has largely worked) - I didn’t trust myself. Still struggle at away games and it’s dangerous after a few beers to not end up arguing with them.
On the train yesterday somebody was saying that he can’t understand some of mckenna’s decisions. We should have played Jackson as a 9 against Rotherham and sold Broadhead in January apparently. This bloke was at least 40. |
Did he get off at Colchester? |  | | |
| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 17:25 - Feb 25 with 1967 views | AlanG296 |
| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 17:10 - Feb 25 by Vegtablue |
Are you sure that's correct? My understanding is they received part of the £45M in the summer and part of it in January. If they are promoted this season further payments will cease, which would amount to £111M across three seasons in the event they stay here indefinitely, but they don't forego their payments this season and should have already received them in full. |
That's what I always thought but saw a comment from a Leeds fan recently stating that they have not so googled "parachute payments" earlier and found an article from the Daily Echo (Soton) https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/23492842.parachute-payments-will-southampton-f | | | |
| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 17:45 - Feb 25 with 1937 views | NthQldITFC |
| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 16:51 - Feb 25 by PrideOfTheEast |
I had to move to corporate to get away from them (which has largely worked) - I didn’t trust myself. Still struggle at away games and it’s dangerous after a few beers to not end up arguing with them.
On the train yesterday somebody was saying that he can’t understand some of mckenna’s decisions. We should have played Jackson as a 9 against Rotherham and sold Broadhead in January apparently. This bloke was at least 40. |
40 is not an IQ that he can be proud of. |  |
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| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 19:20 - Feb 25 with 1831 views | ITFC1977 |
| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 17:10 - Feb 25 by Vegtablue |
Are you sure that's correct? My understanding is they received part of the £45M in the summer and part of it in January. If they are promoted this season further payments will cease, which would amount to £111M across three seasons in the event they stay here indefinitely, but they don't forego their payments this season and should have already received them in full. |
Yes it’s correct, that’s why I said it. | | | |
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| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 19:24 - Feb 25 with 1825 views | ITFC1977 |
| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 15:21 - Feb 25 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Sorry? Leicester and Leeds are not receiving parachute payments?
Has anyone told them? |
I’m pretty sure they’re aware of the rules. | | | |
| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 22:20 - Feb 25 with 1729 views | Vegtablue |
| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 19:20 - Feb 25 by ITFC1977 |
Yes it’s correct, that’s why I said it. |
Respectfully, people have spoken with little knowledge and full confidence on this subject many times before.
Phil Hay from The Athletic, May 2023: “In year one back in the EFL, Leeds would receive 55 per cent of the basic payment made to Premier League clubs — around £45 million. If they then fail to bounce straight back, the year two figure drops to 45%. In year three, the final season of parachute payments, it’s 20%.
Leicester Mercury, May 2023: "The first year’s parachute payment is expected to total between £40 and £45m, with that cash spread throughout the upcoming campaign.
Football finance expert Kieran Maguire told LeicestershireLive: “You get a big dollop towards the end of June as that will help clubs to pay wage bills in June and July and also do a bit of work in the transfer market. You tend to get a reasonable amount in January as well, and then there are smaller payments in the intervening months.”"
I can only find one newspaper which contradicts the above payment schedule: Southampton's The Daily Echo. Interestingly, it is Kieran Maguire who allegedly informs the Daily Echo's interpretation in addition to the contradictory interpretations of other journalists, info sites and newspaper outlets. Otherwise, this is stated pretty much verbatim everywhere:
"If a club is promoted to the Premier League again during the three-year parachute payment period, the payments stop as they will once again enjoy all the financial benefits of playing in the Premier League.
The change in rules also dictate that clubs relegated after a single season in the Premier League will only receive 55 per cent and 45 per cent over two seasons with the third payment eliminated entirely."
It's counterintuitive that payments would only be made at the end of the club's first season, should they be unsuccessful. Clubs would presumably be in instant breach of FFP should they return to the top flight and then drop to the Championship again, even if they were able to cover their own expenses through loans or owner investment. Furthermore, Fulham received parachute payments in 21/22, despite going back up at the first time of asking. The rules must have changed since then for you to be correct, but I see no record of it. Thanks for your clarification, I don't disregard it, but for obvious reasons I won't take your input as gospel either. Thanks also to Alan for replying. This may impact us one day so I like to have the right info (little interest in winning an internet argument lol).
https://swissramble.substack.com/p/fulham-finances-202122#:~:text=Profit%2F(Loss | | | |
| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 22:49 - Feb 25 with 1678 views | SmithersJones |
| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 22:20 - Feb 25 by Vegtablue |
Respectfully, people have spoken with little knowledge and full confidence on this subject many times before.
Phil Hay from The Athletic, May 2023: “In year one back in the EFL, Leeds would receive 55 per cent of the basic payment made to Premier League clubs — around £45 million. If they then fail to bounce straight back, the year two figure drops to 45%. In year three, the final season of parachute payments, it’s 20%.
Leicester Mercury, May 2023: "The first year’s parachute payment is expected to total between £40 and £45m, with that cash spread throughout the upcoming campaign.
Football finance expert Kieran Maguire told LeicestershireLive: “You get a big dollop towards the end of June as that will help clubs to pay wage bills in June and July and also do a bit of work in the transfer market. You tend to get a reasonable amount in January as well, and then there are smaller payments in the intervening months.”"
I can only find one newspaper which contradicts the above payment schedule: Southampton's The Daily Echo. Interestingly, it is Kieran Maguire who allegedly informs the Daily Echo's interpretation in addition to the contradictory interpretations of other journalists, info sites and newspaper outlets. Otherwise, this is stated pretty much verbatim everywhere:
"If a club is promoted to the Premier League again during the three-year parachute payment period, the payments stop as they will once again enjoy all the financial benefits of playing in the Premier League.
The change in rules also dictate that clubs relegated after a single season in the Premier League will only receive 55 per cent and 45 per cent over two seasons with the third payment eliminated entirely."
It's counterintuitive that payments would only be made at the end of the club's first season, should they be unsuccessful. Clubs would presumably be in instant breach of FFP should they return to the top flight and then drop to the Championship again, even if they were able to cover their own expenses through loans or owner investment. Furthermore, Fulham received parachute payments in 21/22, despite going back up at the first time of asking. The rules must have changed since then for you to be correct, but I see no record of it. Thanks for your clarification, I don't disregard it, but for obvious reasons I won't take your input as gospel either. Thanks also to Alan for replying. This may impact us one day so I like to have the right info (little interest in winning an internet argument lol).
https://swissramble.substack.com/p/fulham-finances-202122#:~:text=Profit%2F(Loss |
I know no more than what’s quoted in this thread, but my reading of the echo article is that relegated clubs do get the first payment but they don’t get “a parachute payment at the end of the coming season” if they get promoted. Any payment at the end of this season would presumably be the second year’s payment (or an instalment of it), so it’s fair enough they don’t get it, even though they haven’t actually kicked off in the Premier League at that point. | | | |
| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 23:34 - Feb 25 with 1644 views | Vegtablue |
| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 22:49 - Feb 25 by SmithersJones |
I know no more than what’s quoted in this thread, but my reading of the echo article is that relegated clubs do get the first payment but they don’t get “a parachute payment at the end of the coming season” if they get promoted. Any payment at the end of this season would presumably be the second year’s payment (or an instalment of it), so it’s fair enough they don’t get it, even though they haven’t actually kicked off in the Premier League at that point. |
Thanks Smithers, that interpretation would bring the Echo in line with all other sources I've read. I think the placement of "could" in the below excerpt creates confusion, in addition to a summary that makes no mention of guaranteed payments in the first year.
"It means a first-year payment could be worth over £50million to a club that do not seal promotion back to the Premier League, before reducing over the next two seasons.
Parachute payments are not made at the end of a season in which the club goes on to be promoted back to the Premier League – for example, Burnley, during this campaign, will not receive a payment."
Honestly, I think the author may simply be misinformed, or he's one of a select list of sports writers who's correctly informed. He wrote the below paragraph in another article for The Echo in the same month:
"Saints will be supported by parachute payments if they remain in the Championship for longer than a season and these could be worth around £30million a year."
He should* have said they would be supported in the first season irrespective of performance, and would continue to be supported for up to two further seasons if they remain in the EFL. The Echo is one of the first available sources on an internet search and my working hypothesis is that they've misinformed many, including ITFC1977, until such time that either Burnley's 22/23 accounts are published or a more authoritative source is provided. I particularly don't like that the Echo article cites Kieran Maguire, who is quoted verbatim in separate articles as saying payments would be made to Leicester et al. at various stages this season, beginning last summer.
*He's brought needless ambiguity into his work in the event he intended to mean 'continue to be supported', as he doesn't reference parachute support anywhere else in his article.
https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/23499984.football-finance-expert-reveals-true-
However, Maguire himself alludes to it in his quotation further into the article: “If they drop into the Championship that will decrease to just over £40million so that’s an £80million or £90million hit.". £40M TV money isn't achievable without parachute payments of course. [Post edited 25 Feb 2024 23:42]
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| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 00:24 - Feb 26 with 1609 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 19:24 - Feb 25 by ITFC1977 |
I’m pretty sure they’re aware of the rules. |
Are you American?
You don't seem to 'get' sarcasm. | |
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| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 08:02 - Feb 26 with 1538 views | tractorboy1978 |
The bloke behind me kept shouting at Morsy and Luongo to “bring him down” whenever Birmingham broke in the second half. Both of them were on bookings. | | | |
| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 09:28 - Feb 26 with 1438 views | north_stand77 |
We got so fed up of the people ( both sexes) behind shouting the 'C ' word at our own players when we were having a dip in the game (along with other reasons), that we've just moved seats after having the same ones for over 20 years. It was miserable
They were new to those seats this season and i can't understand that in our most exciting season for many years, we've got fans continually being negative. |  | | |
| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 09:37 - Feb 26 with 1410 views | NthQldITFC |
| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 08:02 - Feb 26 by tractorboy1978 |
The bloke behind me kept shouting at Morsy and Luongo to “bring him down” whenever Birmingham broke in the second half. Both of them were on bookings. |
When I said "bring him down", what I meant was that they should suggest to him that his shorts were too long, that he was starting to go bald, that he couldn't trap a bag of cement, that his boots were poorly polished and that his shin pads were folded up Green'Uns - in short to psychologically undermine him. Not sure you'd get a second yellow for that. | |
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| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 10:01 - Feb 26 with 1357 views | Sarge |
| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 08:15 - Feb 25 by Churchman |
The people around me in West Stand Steerage GG are good - in fact some of the best I’ve sat with over the years. The chap next to me takes against players at times, Ladapo now Clarke, but he’s very quiet about it and not all the time. |
Is that the 45 year old teenager with the snapback? Lee Martin was his target for a long time, he’s awfully quiet now though. | | | |
| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 10:10 - Feb 26 with 1340 views | ChiefXL |
| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 09:47 - Feb 25 by Metal_Hacker |
I made the 400 mile round trip from Sheffield to sit in the SBR Upper behind a bloke moaning about Axel all game suggesting he was slow , not interested , had no pace and definitely didn’t deserve MoM
I should’ve just switched off from it but it’s bloody hard not to
Moron |
You might have been near me, did you see him get the peepee taken out of him? |  | | |
| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 10:26 - Feb 26 with 1300 views | lizzibee |
| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 08:15 - Feb 25 by Churchman |
The people around me in West Stand Steerage GG are good - in fact some of the best I’ve sat with over the years. The chap next to me takes against players at times, Ladapo now Clarke, but he’s very quiet about it and not all the time. |
I cant agree more - with the exception of a couple who do nothing but moan, even when we are winning, we are a good bunch. Recent moans have been about Jackson and Axel now Ladapo has gone | | | |
| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 10:26 - Feb 26 with 1296 views | lizzibee |
| Can anyone tell me where I can sit in the stadium on 09:43 - Feb 25 by hoppy |
You do tend to get a fine bunch of people in West Stand block GG, I have to say… |
I think we are the best :-) | | | |
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