| Cancer treatment waiting times. 09:05 - Mar 23 with 4455 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Anybody know what they are like over Windsor way.
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| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 11:45 - Mar 23 with 1295 views | north_stand77 |
| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 11:26 - Mar 23 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Seems perfectly appropriate to highlight inequality of care that this illustrates, it doesn’t have to be perceived as a lack of compassion for her.....except by the usual cap doffers it would seem. |
Do you judge me as one of 'the usual cap doffers' as you say because I explained to you briefly about my own personal experiences?
I can assure that having cancer isn't a great deal of fun for anybody, regardless of how their treatment is financed or whoever is in government at the time. The trauma is still the same. The treatment is generally going to be the same.
It can only be helpful to the nation if those who can afford to pay for their treatment do , as surely it leaves more money for the rest of us accessing NHS services. |  | | |
| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 11:45 - Mar 23 with 1287 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 11:26 - Mar 23 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Seems perfectly appropriate to highlight inequality of care that this illustrates, it doesn’t have to be perceived as a lack of compassion for her.....except by the usual cap doffers it would seem. |
So you were using cancer to take a swipe at the Royal family. |  |
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| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 11:46 - Mar 23 with 1284 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 11:35 - Mar 23 by MattinLondon |
But that isn’t going to happen is it so your last sentence is totally irrelevant. |
So people paying for private health care frees up space in the NHS. Yes? | |
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| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 11:49 - Mar 23 with 1271 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 11:46 - Mar 23 by GlasgowBlue |
So people paying for private health care frees up space in the NHS. Yes? |
A high quality of care for all would be too much to hope for. We should be more grateful to those that go private.....consider my cap doffed. | |
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| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 11:50 - Mar 23 with 1264 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 11:45 - Mar 23 by north_stand77 |
Do you judge me as one of 'the usual cap doffers' as you say because I explained to you briefly about my own personal experiences?
I can assure that having cancer isn't a great deal of fun for anybody, regardless of how their treatment is financed or whoever is in government at the time. The trauma is still the same. The treatment is generally going to be the same.
It can only be helpful to the nation if those who can afford to pay for their treatment do , as surely it leaves more money for the rest of us accessing NHS services. |
Not at all.
Sorry if you thought so....
Had down voters and Chelters in mind at the time. | |
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| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 11:51 - Mar 23 with 1258 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 11:45 - Mar 23 by GlasgowBlue |
So you were using cancer to take a swipe at the Royal family. |
Nope....inequality of access to care. | |
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| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 11:58 - Mar 23 with 1227 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 11:26 - Mar 23 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Seems perfectly appropriate to highlight inequality of care that this illustrates, it doesn’t have to be perceived as a lack of compassion for her.....except by the usual cap doffers it would seem. |
Yes, The Princess of Wales has clearly jumped the NHS queue, because of who she is.
No, wait, she hasn't has she?
What was your point again? |  |
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| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 12:00 - Mar 23 with 1224 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 11:50 - Mar 23 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Not at all.
Sorry if you thought so....
Had down voters and Chelters in mind at the time. |
"Had Chelters in mind"
Pr1ck. | |
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| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 12:00 - Mar 23 with 1220 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 11:58 - Mar 23 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Yes, The Princess of Wales has clearly jumped the NHS queue, because of who she is.
No, wait, she hasn't has she?
What was your point again? |
Believe me, if she was relying on the NHS the queue would be minimal. For all of us. [Post edited 23 Mar 2024 12:01]
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| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 12:03 - Mar 23 with 1198 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 09:35 - Mar 23 by pointofblue |
You've got money, you get treated. Someone I know has been waiting for years to get treatment on the NHS, with constant back and forth and long waiting times. They snapped and went private in late February - a much needed operation is planned for next month. |
Indeed. Although even the private sector is creaking around here. A colleague has been cancelled a couple of times and had what seemed like a pretty lengthy wait (months). I'm sure private is better over all though, and I bet you can jump to the front of that queue if you have the right contacts (which the royals most definitely do!). |  |
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| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 12:17 - Mar 23 with 1176 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 11:46 - Mar 23 by GlasgowBlue |
So people paying for private health care frees up space in the NHS. Yes? |
Beds maybe. But there are a lot of NHS resources that are diverted to service the private queue - consultants, doctors, surgeons, theatres, etc.. If you go private you can see the same consultant who does the same op in the same hospital, with the support of the same medical and non-clinical staff. You just get a nice private ambulance (many of whom also service the NHS I believe) and a private bed somewhere else. So in those cases for each appointment that's one NHS person shunted down the queue.
I'm sure there's stuff that's done solely in house in private hospitals though, so it's not a one size fits all argument.
I used to have private health care with work - it was great. Fully recommended if you haven't got it. It's just a shame the NHS waits can be so bad that sometimes you feel you have to go down that route to get timely treatment. In an ideal world we'd have an efficient one-tiered system delivered by the NHS. | |
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| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 12:21 - Mar 23 with 1159 views | Zapers |
| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 11:45 - Mar 23 by GlasgowBlue |
So you were using cancer to take a swipe at the Royal family. |
Of course, spiteful as ever . |  | | |
| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 12:43 - Mar 23 with 1122 views | DJR |
| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 12:17 - Mar 23 by Swansea_Blue |
Beds maybe. But there are a lot of NHS resources that are diverted to service the private queue - consultants, doctors, surgeons, theatres, etc.. If you go private you can see the same consultant who does the same op in the same hospital, with the support of the same medical and non-clinical staff. You just get a nice private ambulance (many of whom also service the NHS I believe) and a private bed somewhere else. So in those cases for each appointment that's one NHS person shunted down the queue.
I'm sure there's stuff that's done solely in house in private hospitals though, so it's not a one size fits all argument.
I used to have private health care with work - it was great. Fully recommended if you haven't got it. It's just a shame the NHS waits can be so bad that sometimes you feel you have to go down that route to get timely treatment. In an ideal world we'd have an efficient one-tiered system delivered by the NHS. |
This is the third time I've posted this, but it shows an example where private sector involvement is far from beneficial.
"Private Eye touches on Wes Streeting's proposals for opticians to refer patients for cataract surgery at private operators. Apparently, some are owned by chains like Specsavers and the article points out concerns about there being pecuniary interests to refer patients which may not be in patients' best interests. In addition, the private operators of such services pay to doctors a going rate much higher than the NHS, with concerns expressed by the Royal College of Ophthalmologists that this means doctors are leaving the NHS for a much cushier and more well-paid life, when there is a shortage of 290-360 consultants in the NHS, as I found out with my mother who had problems with her eyes. The article also points out that, surprise, surprise, it is not the private sector which trains ophthalmologists. [Post edited 23 Mar 2024 12:44]
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| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 13:14 - Mar 23 with 1074 views | Aviator |
When Labour get in and put VAT on private health care NHS waiting times will increase further. | | | |
| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 13:24 - Mar 23 with 1043 views | Ryorry |
| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 12:17 - Mar 23 by Swansea_Blue |
Beds maybe. But there are a lot of NHS resources that are diverted to service the private queue - consultants, doctors, surgeons, theatres, etc.. If you go private you can see the same consultant who does the same op in the same hospital, with the support of the same medical and non-clinical staff. You just get a nice private ambulance (many of whom also service the NHS I believe) and a private bed somewhere else. So in those cases for each appointment that's one NHS person shunted down the queue.
I'm sure there's stuff that's done solely in house in private hospitals though, so it's not a one size fits all argument.
I used to have private health care with work - it was great. Fully recommended if you haven't got it. It's just a shame the NHS waits can be so bad that sometimes you feel you have to go down that route to get timely treatment. In an ideal world we'd have an efficient one-tiered system delivered by the NHS. |
Spot on, and it’s not just all that which is problematic either.
I was on my parents’ BUPA until I was 22, when spinal problems came to light. Cue BUPA exorbitantly bumping up the premiums and eventually refusing to cover me for that problem because it was a “pre-existing condition” (congenital, it turned out).
Basically, we found out that private health insurers are only willing to cover you until you become ill. After that, they’ll slap all sorts of exclusion clauses on you, and bump up your premiums to unaffordable levels, as they only want profitable ‘customers’, not those who cost them money  |  |
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| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 13:46 - Mar 23 with 1003 views | DJR |
| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 13:24 - Mar 23 by Ryorry |
Spot on, and it’s not just all that which is problematic either.
I was on my parents’ BUPA until I was 22, when spinal problems came to light. Cue BUPA exorbitantly bumping up the premiums and eventually refusing to cover me for that problem because it was a “pre-existing condition” (congenital, it turned out).
Basically, we found out that private health insurers are only willing to cover you until you become ill. After that, they’ll slap all sorts of exclusion clauses on you, and bump up your premiums to unaffordable levels, as they only want profitable ‘customers’, not those who cost them money |
Too true.
As it is, back in the 1980s, private healthcare was introduced as a benefit in my job, and I rather surprised the person responsible for it in the office by turning it down given no one else turned it down.
I did so on a point of principle which he didn't really understand, but sadly these days my principles would have to go by the wayside were I to need, and not be able to access, proper treatment.
The unfairness is that I have the resources to pay privately, but many millions don't.
But "we're all in it together" as people like Osborne were keen to point out when implementing the austerity that, in my view, is the major factor in the current problems with the NHS. [Post edited 23 Mar 2024 14:42]
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| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 13:50 - Mar 23 with 982 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 13:24 - Mar 23 by Ryorry |
Spot on, and it’s not just all that which is problematic either.
I was on my parents’ BUPA until I was 22, when spinal problems came to light. Cue BUPA exorbitantly bumping up the premiums and eventually refusing to cover me for that problem because it was a “pre-existing condition” (congenital, it turned out).
Basically, we found out that private health insurers are only willing to cover you until you become ill. After that, they’ll slap all sorts of exclusion clauses on you, and bump up your premiums to unaffordable levels, as they only want profitable ‘customers’, not those who cost them money |
Like any insurers aren’t they. It’s certainly not a model I want to see us go down fully. When I used the hospital in the US the hospital was amazing but it was a load of hassle dealing with the paperwork. It was a bit of a shock having to go out and buy the equipment I needed too. I couldn’t walk or drive but was told I had to go and buy my own crutches from the mall. Bonkers. | |
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| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 13:54 - Mar 23 with 967 views | BlueBadger |
| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 13:14 - Mar 23 by Aviator |
When Labour get in and put VAT on private health care NHS waiting times will increase further. |
Under the Tories, waiting lists will eventually shorten as they'll run the service down enough for everyone on them to die before treatment. |  |
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| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 13:59 - Mar 23 with 939 views | DJR |
| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 13:54 - Mar 23 by BlueBadger |
Under the Tories, waiting lists will eventually shorten as they'll run the service down enough for everyone on them to die before treatment. |
Even if it doesn't kill them, the state of the NHS has effects such as this which predates the pandemic.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/23/uk-adults-too-sick-to-work-reso
Britain is going through the longest sustained rise in the number of working-age adults who are too sick to work since the 1990s, according to a report warning that a benefits crackdown is unlikely to solve the country’s jobless crisis.
The Resolution Foundation said economic inactivity due to long-term sickness – when people aged 16-64 are neither in work nor looking for a job because of a health condition – had increased in each year since July 2019, the longest sustained rise since 1994 to 1998.
The thinktank warned that a near-record 2.7 million working-age adults were too sick to work, with the biggest increase since the Covid pandemic concentrated among the UK’s youngest and oldest workers.
Highlighting the legacy of the pandemic as the British economy struggles with chronic workforce shortages, it said the UK was the only G7 country with a lower rate of employment than before the health emergency.
However, the report showed the upward trend in long-term sickness had started before the pandemic struck in the summer of 2019, and had lasted for 54 months. The longest previous period was for 55 months, between 1994 and 1998. [Post edited 23 Mar 2024 14:03]
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| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 14:06 - Mar 23 with 911 views | noggin |
| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 09:43 - Mar 23 by north_stand77 |
Well I can tell you that I've had 2 types of cancer and have been very well looked after, which is not unusual.
I've required umpteen surgeries, scans, xrays and stays in hospital and am still being well monitored. Both cancers were very life threatening but I'm still here enjoying life thanks to the NHS system.
I wouldn't wish my diagnosis on anyone, let alone a young woman with a young family. Money/ privelege etc means little when it comes to cancer.
I don't think it's fair to use cancer as a swipe at the Royal family. |
"Money/ privelege etc means little when it comes to cancer."
That's not true though, is it? |  |
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| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 14:08 - Mar 23 with 907 views | BlueBadger |
| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 11:46 - Mar 23 by GlasgowBlue |
So people paying for private health care frees up space in the NHS. Yes? |
Not necessarily. Treatment of all but the most simple of complications will invariably end up being handled by an NHS. Plus, the 2012 health and social care act explicitly allows NHS hospitals to use a fair percentage(I forget the number off the top of my head). these will be beds that could(and would. And should) be filled by NHS service users. | |
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| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 14:36 - Mar 23 with 849 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Cancer treatment waiting times. on 14:08 - Mar 23 by BlueBadger |
Not necessarily. Treatment of all but the most simple of complications will invariably end up being handled by an NHS. Plus, the 2012 health and social care act explicitly allows NHS hospitals to use a fair percentage(I forget the number off the top of my head). these will be beds that could(and would. And should) be filled by NHS service users. |
I know what when my old man shuffled off this mortal coil, he did so in the Oaks at Colchester which relieved a burden off the NHS. Similarly, my mum had several stays in the London Independent before she left us. | |
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