| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 19:26 - Jun 19 with 2774 views | sirporter |
| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 19:24 - Jun 19 by CoachRob |
With respect this is complete nonsense, I spent last week attending two conferences looking at impacts and adaptation and the losses from damages are going to be collosal. The youngest members of my family will only be in their forties when the UK will experience 40% more winter precipitation and ~5C increase in summer temperatures if we continue with our current emissions trajectory. Remember climate change is a crisis of variability and extremes and those numbers are mean values. |
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| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 19:30 - Jun 19 with 2749 views | OsmansCleanSheet |
| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 17:31 - Jun 19 by HatStand |
It will probably come off with a leaf blower |
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| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 19:38 - Jun 19 with 2726 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 18:59 - Jun 19 by sirporter |
With respect, there are many plans and options to transition, the reality is you cannot do it by simply stopping oil as most people realise, or achieve net zero in a handful of years, simply impossible and no one can afford it either . Energy bills will not get cheaper for many years as transition costs are and will have to be added to household bills to contribute to infrastructure costs and wind farms are asking for higher unit prices as multi billion pound losses have recently been incurred by Siemens and Orstead.
Oil and gas provide huge benefits that cannot easily be overlooked or replaced. I would not be able to tell you what would replace petro chemicals next week or in the next 20 years.
India will add more new coal power capacity than it has in almost a decade this year, so the UK's contribution is lost in the global power struggles.
It will be interesting to see how the public will react to net zero as the cost and disruption become reality for many over the next few years. |
Yes, of course there has to be transition and not a sudden break. The point is that we (the world) need to get on with it, as we're still increasing emissions and heading towards a very bad place, which will be FAR more costly than doing nothing. It's a political problem as much as anything now. It's not easy to get consensus of course, but we have to try and there needs to be some leadership from somewhere and, frankly, probably some humongous bribes. |  |
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| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 19:44 - Jun 19 with 2714 views | BlueForYou |
Send them off for National Service..!! |  | | |
| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 19:50 - Jun 19 with 2689 views | bluelagos |
| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 19:44 - Jun 19 by BlueForYou |
Send them off for National Service..!! |
They are already volunteering their time, free of charge, for the betterment of society.
Reckon that meets the requirements of that Tory policy wouldn't you say? |  |
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| Send them for a wash. (n/t) on 19:51 - Jun 19 with 2682 views | Bloots |
| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 19:44 - Jun 19 by BlueForYou |
Send them off for National Service..!! |
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| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 19:55 - Jun 19 with 2672 views | ronnyd |
Should have used woad. |  | | |
| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 20:12 - Jun 19 with 2636 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 18:59 - Jun 19 by sirporter |
With respect, there are many plans and options to transition, the reality is you cannot do it by simply stopping oil as most people realise, or achieve net zero in a handful of years, simply impossible and no one can afford it either . Energy bills will not get cheaper for many years as transition costs are and will have to be added to household bills to contribute to infrastructure costs and wind farms are asking for higher unit prices as multi billion pound losses have recently been incurred by Siemens and Orstead.
Oil and gas provide huge benefits that cannot easily be overlooked or replaced. I would not be able to tell you what would replace petro chemicals next week or in the next 20 years.
India will add more new coal power capacity than it has in almost a decade this year, so the UK's contribution is lost in the global power struggles.
It will be interesting to see how the public will react to net zero as the cost and disruption become reality for many over the next few years. |
We could just stop making so much unnecessary stuff too though. |  |
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| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 20:23 - Jun 19 with 2610 views | sirporter |
| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 20:12 - Jun 19 by BanksterDebtSlave |
We could just stop making so much unnecessary stuff too though. |
You are correct regarding 'stuff' but who decides and controls production etc. It is no easy problem to solve.
The cost of oil and gas or coal is much cheaper than renewables and to put in perspective the size of the problem, apologies for those who are worried in advance, here is a snap shot - Nigeria is planning on increasing it's oil production to bring many of it's people out of poverty, inflation is something like 30-35% currently, a cup of coffee increases in price the following day! Their plans for net zero are a longway down the road and they do not have the money to invest in alternatives to oil and they have a lot of oil. India as stated is now about to increase it's coal capacity by huge margins as demand for electric alone is out running it's power plants and oil/gas imports can't keep up. China accounted for two-thirds of the global rise in operating coal power capacity in 2023 alone and Angola today announced plans to produce 1 million barrels of oil a day.
It's a global issue but the UK's role is minimal in reality and many parts of the world want to mirror the lifestyle of the West with cheap oil seen as the way to achieve it. Oil and gas demand is increasing globally and hence global net zero is, in reality, somewhat in the distance. | | | |
| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 20:24 - Jun 19 with 2607 views | Herbivore |
| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 18:59 - Jun 19 by sirporter |
With respect, there are many plans and options to transition, the reality is you cannot do it by simply stopping oil as most people realise, or achieve net zero in a handful of years, simply impossible and no one can afford it either . Energy bills will not get cheaper for many years as transition costs are and will have to be added to household bills to contribute to infrastructure costs and wind farms are asking for higher unit prices as multi billion pound losses have recently been incurred by Siemens and Orstead.
Oil and gas provide huge benefits that cannot easily be overlooked or replaced. I would not be able to tell you what would replace petro chemicals next week or in the next 20 years.
India will add more new coal power capacity than it has in almost a decade this year, so the UK's contribution is lost in the global power struggles.
It will be interesting to see how the public will react to net zero as the cost and disruption become reality for many over the next few years. |
It's almost like our entire system needs rethinking. |  |
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| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 20:30 - Jun 19 with 2591 views | ArmaghBlue |
Some people on here support those morons!! |  | | |
| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 20:33 - Jun 19 with 2574 views | Herbivore |
| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 19:09 - Jun 19 by sirporter |
Indeed,it's not the oil companies that burn oil/gas it's us. I'm sure some of these protestors have no idea their phones, computers, medical supplies and a million everyday items require oil. Equally they will have no idea what could replace it to run a nation or even a household currently. |
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| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 20:35 - Jun 19 with 2566 views | sirporter |
| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 20:33 - Jun 19 by Herbivore |
Ridiculous. |
What part is ridiculous please ? | | | |
| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 20:41 - Jun 19 with 2537 views | Illinoisblue |
Need Le Tissier’s thoughts on this mystery: |  |
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| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 20:42 - Jun 19 with 2527 views | ford6600 |
Be brave and demonstrate at an oil refinery...not at a c4000yo monument. The two t*ats responsible should be made to remove the powder or at least pay the costs of the clean up, not taxpayers. | | | |
| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 20:44 - Jun 19 with 2514 views | Herbivore |
| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 20:35 - Jun 19 by sirporter |
What part is ridiculous please ? |
All of it. | |
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| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 20:49 - Jun 19 with 2494 views | sirporter |
| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 20:44 - Jun 19 by Herbivore |
All of it. |
Well that's not very helpful, disagree, have a different view but please explain why something is ridiculous, I'm open to debate and different views particularly on a subject I'm involved in daily. Any help you can provide may help us solve some of the issues detailed. [Post edited 19 Jun 2024 20:50]
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| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 20:50 - Jun 19 with 2492 views | Herbivore |
| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 20:49 - Jun 19 by sirporter |
Well that's not very helpful, disagree, have a different view but please explain why something is ridiculous, I'm open to debate and different views particularly on a subject I'm involved in daily. Any help you can provide may help us solve some of the issues detailed. [Post edited 19 Jun 2024 20:50]
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Given your posting history I suspect you work in the fossil fuel industry, so what's the point in debating with you when you have such a vested interest? | |
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| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 20:58 - Jun 19 with 2460 views | sirporter |
| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 20:50 - Jun 19 by Herbivore |
Given your posting history I suspect you work in the fossil fuel industry, so what's the point in debating with you when you have such a vested interest? |
Fossil fuels, energy in general and importantly the transition, so I try not to be 'ridiculous' as it would get very costly on many levels.
Anyway, thanks for that, always dangerous posting on forums regards such topics. Back to football etc | | | |
| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 21:10 - Jun 19 with 2416 views | StokieBlue |
| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 20:23 - Jun 19 by sirporter |
You are correct regarding 'stuff' but who decides and controls production etc. It is no easy problem to solve.
The cost of oil and gas or coal is much cheaper than renewables and to put in perspective the size of the problem, apologies for those who are worried in advance, here is a snap shot - Nigeria is planning on increasing it's oil production to bring many of it's people out of poverty, inflation is something like 30-35% currently, a cup of coffee increases in price the following day! Their plans for net zero are a longway down the road and they do not have the money to invest in alternatives to oil and they have a lot of oil. India as stated is now about to increase it's coal capacity by huge margins as demand for electric alone is out running it's power plants and oil/gas imports can't keep up. China accounted for two-thirds of the global rise in operating coal power capacity in 2023 alone and Angola today announced plans to produce 1 million barrels of oil a day.
It's a global issue but the UK's role is minimal in reality and many parts of the world want to mirror the lifestyle of the West with cheap oil seen as the way to achieve it. Oil and gas demand is increasing globally and hence global net zero is, in reality, somewhat in the distance. |
This just seems like an "Appeal to Futility" fallacy.
Essentially, we can't make a big difference on our own so why bother at all. It's not a great starting point for a debate in my opinion because if we aren't willing to make changes that need to be made how can we then expect others to make those changes?
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| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 21:13 - Jun 19 with 2398 views | Herbivore |
| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 20:58 - Jun 19 by sirporter |
Fossil fuels, energy in general and importantly the transition, so I try not to be 'ridiculous' as it would get very costly on many levels.
Anyway, thanks for that, always dangerous posting on forums regards such topics. Back to football etc |
Your position is going to affect your view on this debate though, and not in the being enlightened way you seem to think. I'll do you the courtesy of explaining why I think your post was ridiculous though, in its entirety:
1. Indeed,it's not the oil companies that burn oil/gas it's us.
Even in the very narrow, literal sense in which you mean this, it's untrue. Oil companies do burn gas and oil, they use machinery and vehicles that require diesel and petrol, they use electricity that will come from a variety of sources, including burning gas and oil. Going deeper that the narrow literal meaning you intended, people don't have a lot of choice, do they? 70m people in the UK can't just up and live off grid. There's lots of evidence that where greener alternatives are available, people choose them; they don't use fossil fuels because they bloody love burning stuff.
2. I'm sure some of these protestors have no idea their phones, computers, medical supplies and a million everyday items require oil.
This seems highly unlikely. The education system in the UK is not great but most climate protestors are quite well educated and will know full well that many of the things they possess have been made using fossil fuels. In my experience, though, people in the protest community tend to try to keep their consumption minimal. But other than going off grid - which is not really achievable easily (if at all) in the UK - they don't have much choice but to own some stuff and use some stuff. If there were alternatives that didn't require fossil fuels, they'd buy those, but as per my previous point, there's not much in the way of choice, is there?
3. Equally they will have no idea what could replace it to run a nation or even a household currently.
Again, I don't think this is accurate. There are a lot of educated folk in the JSO movement and other movements, covering a wide range of specialisms. Many of them are very well educated when it comes to climate science and many are similarly well educated when it comes to macro economics and suchlike. They have lots of ideas for how we move away from fossil fuels, as do other non activists with specialist knowledge. But since many of the solutions don't lead to instant profit and require long termist thinking, the people that matter aren't really interested. [Post edited 19 Jun 2024 22:36]
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| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 21:23 - Jun 19 with 2366 views | sirporter |
| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 21:10 - Jun 19 by StokieBlue |
This just seems like an "Appeal to Futility" fallacy.
Essentially, we can't make a big difference on our own so why bother at all. It's not a great starting point for a debate in my opinion because if we aren't willing to make changes that need to be made how can we then expect others to make those changes?
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I think the point gets lost in the posting, as happens occasionally, I was simply trying to make the point that transition to new energy sources will take longer, much longer, than five or six years and the UK's role, put in perspective, is minimal and I put some explanation of why and what motivates some other nations. The UK should and is making efforts and plans, we just need to be aware that our contribution is only a very small part of any solution and we need more and much larger nations to at least enter any debate. I certainly was not suggesting we don't make efforts, we are and will continue to do, it's going to be a bumpy and costly ride. | | | |
| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 21:35 - Jun 19 with 2331 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 21:10 - Jun 19 by StokieBlue |
This just seems like an "Appeal to Futility" fallacy.
Essentially, we can't make a big difference on our own so why bother at all. It's not a great starting point for a debate in my opinion because if we aren't willing to make changes that need to be made how can we then expect others to make those changes?
SB |
See also: "What about China!?"
That bit of the bingo card has already been ticked off I see. |  | | |
| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 21:36 - Jun 19 with 2329 views | hoppy |
| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 19:55 - Jun 19 by ronnyd |
Should have used woad. |
They pwobably did use a woad to get there. They pwobably dwove there I would think, as it's a bit out of the way. |  |
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| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 21:50 - Jun 19 with 2293 views | brazil1982 |
| Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint on 19:01 - Jun 19 by Leaky |
Perhaps they should have done it on the Great Wall of China. China is among the greatest polluters on the planet. |
....or Glastonbury, what a huge gas guzzler that must be. |  | | |
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