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"No Surrender" is an Ulster Loyalist chant. It is often chanted during the singing of Billy Boys of which one line is "We're up to ours knees in Fenian blood, surrender or you'll die!" It was chanted at many Loyalist atrocities. The Greysteel massacre being one of them. It's a lot more sinister than it seems.
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This "No surrender" shout during GSTK on 17:55 - Jun 20 with 3003 views
I understand that it originally stemmed from The Troubles and was aimed at the IRA.
It's now the preserve of brain-dead morons who happen to think that chants such as "Ten German Bombers" and "Two World Wars and One World Cup" are still somehow relevant and amusing. Probably the same sort of folks who sing about Justin Fashanu.
This "No surrender" shout during GSTK on 17:36 - Jun 20 by Mercian
"No Surrender" is an Ulster Loyalist chant. It is often chanted during the singing of Billy Boys of which one line is "We're up to ours knees in Fenian blood, surrender or you'll die!" It was chanted at many Loyalist atrocities. The Greysteel massacre being one of them. It's a lot more sinister than it seems.
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I always thought that "surrender or you'll die" is from follow/follow.
The no surrender from England cones from "give St George in my heart...." and was added to the national anthem. I first heard it in the early 90s.
Pointless now.
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This "No surrender" shout during GSTK on 18:12 - Jun 20 with 2886 views
This "No surrender" shout during GSTK on 17:36 - Jun 20 by Mercian
"No Surrender" is an Ulster Loyalist chant. It is often chanted during the singing of Billy Boys of which one line is "We're up to ours knees in Fenian blood, surrender or you'll die!" It was chanted at many Loyalist atrocities. The Greysteel massacre being one of them. It's a lot more sinister than it seems.
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Thanks. It seems a favourite of the flag shaggers in these parts. There’s an element at Welsh club games who wheel out Ulster Unionist flags. They always seem to be those who’ll use GSTK as a taunt against fans who have the Welsh flag, or boo any players taking the knee, etc. I’ve always found that very odd for Welsh fans (maybe they’re not Welsh and I’m just making assumptions).
My first England away game was the World Cup qualifier against the Netherlands in 1993. The Hook of Holland Ferry from Harwich ‘banned’ England fans from travelling on it - so me and my 3 mates all booked separately to beat/cheat the system.
I naively thought we’d be the only 4 England fans, but when we arrived to board is was mobbed with England fans from all over the Country.
I was 22 and thought I was hard, but was bricking it in the queue to board. Evil looking dudes from loads of different clubs, but Burnley, and Stoke were particularly highly represented.
The Ferry bar shut about 1 hour in, allegedly as it had been drunk dry - the duty free shop was then hit by what was effectively looting. It was carnage, and “no surrender” was being belted out all the way over and on the train into Rotterdam.
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This "No surrender" shout during GSTK on 19:44 - Jun 20 with 2463 views
Seems like a common theme. The authorities have had to request that England fans stop singing the German bombers chant in front of their hosts this time round. We’ve got some right feckwits who follow us. No awareness, no class.
(Not all England fans fall into this bracket of course, but it’s a vocal group who shame the nation).
This "No surrender" shout during GSTK on 19:44 - Jun 20 by Swansea_Blue
Seems like a common theme. The authorities have had to request that England fans stop singing the German bombers chant in front of their hosts this time round. We’ve got some right feckwits who follow us. No awareness, no class.
(Not all England fans fall into this bracket of course, but it’s a vocal group who shame the nation).
I seem to recall reading somewhere that the invention of the 'England Band' by the FA was along these lines as well.
Essentially using the trumpet etc., to 'control the narrative' with chanting, and try and drown out less palatable chanting with pieces from the officially-sanctioned songbook.
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