| Downes.. 17:49 - Jun 28 with 21679 views | ITFCBlues |
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| Downes.. on 10:16 - Jun 29 with 4285 views | Mullet |
| Downes.. on 09:43 - Jun 29 by ArnieM |
Mullet: you say FD has suffered a lot too. What has he suffered?
I am of the same mind as Bigalhunter regarding the way he went about things, downing tools, throwing his toys out of his pram etc , just when we needed him most, he wanted away but went about it in a very unprofessional and some would say, petulant way. It was a bad time for us as a club and like Bigalhunter, I too, lost all respect for him for that. I’m finding it hard atm to let go of that disappointment in him. BUT if he rejoined us, I have absolutely no doubt he’d be a very, very good signing. I do have respect for his football qualities, ( I certainly was not one of those who booed him when he returned with Saints, which was a ridiculous response by some sector of fans). I’m just not so sure about whether his personal attributes would fit with the players we now have in our squad. Would his personality fit with our new club ethos? |
The fact you believe that means you have some sort of evidence presumably?
Flynn has even said last seasons people like yourself don’t know the whole story, so when did he do all of those things?
The fact you’ll willingly backtrack on it if he joins says it all. |  |
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| Downes.. on 10:22 - Jun 29 with 4231 views | Horsham |
| Downes.. on 09:43 - Jun 29 by ArnieM |
Mullet: you say FD has suffered a lot too. What has he suffered?
I am of the same mind as Bigalhunter regarding the way he went about things, downing tools, throwing his toys out of his pram etc , just when we needed him most, he wanted away but went about it in a very unprofessional and some would say, petulant way. It was a bad time for us as a club and like Bigalhunter, I too, lost all respect for him for that. I’m finding it hard atm to let go of that disappointment in him. BUT if he rejoined us, I have absolutely no doubt he’d be a very, very good signing. I do have respect for his football qualities, ( I certainly was not one of those who booed him when he returned with Saints, which was a ridiculous response by some sector of fans). I’m just not so sure about whether his personal attributes would fit with the players we now have in our squad. Would his personality fit with our new club ethos? |
Context: only a few weeks ago our manager was seemingly heading out of the door. At the end of the day our manager is just brilliant at his job. I’m f’ing over the moon he’s staying.
FD the player is such a natural fit for our team and was ridiculously good for Southampton. I’d be delighted if he came back. |  | | |
| Downes.. on 10:32 - Jun 29 with 4161 views | DanTheMan |
He's a natural Morsy replacement. If we can do this, I'd be over the moon. |  |
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| Downes.. on 11:36 - Jun 29 with 4038 views | ArnieM |
| Downes.. on 10:16 - Jun 29 by Mullet |
The fact you believe that means you have some sort of evidence presumably?
Flynn has even said last seasons people like yourself don’t know the whole story, so when did he do all of those things?
The fact you’ll willingly backtrack on it if he joins says it all. |
If he joins, and it's likely to be a big if, he'd get my support as a Town player. I'm not and have questioned his footballing ability, its his persona / attitude I'm not sure about and question would he fit. However, if McKenna is happy about that side of him, then I would
trust that, certainly.
But to return to your comment about FD suffering , What did FD "suffer"? |  |
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| Arf (n/t) on 11:42 - Jun 29 with 3997 views | Dyland |
| Downes.. on 22:46 - Jun 28 by ArnieM |
No thanks. |
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| Downes.. on 12:02 - Jun 29 with 3927 views | itfckenty |
I would definitely take him back, I don't begrudge him wanting more from football as a career and back then it was rotten in this club. His heart will always be with Ipswich. If you grew up at a company and was pushed aside you would 100% look to move on to better yourself, his no different to any of us. This is a different Town now, and I think he could flourish here, Moore came back and helped push us to promotion and he also was made to believe he wasn't good enough. |  | | |
| Downes.. on 12:43 - Jun 29 with 3821 views | Ryorry |
| Downes.. on 22:57 - Jun 28 by PhilTWTD |
Definitely need to upgrade all those positions and confident most of those names have been identified for those roles. The Dutch fella not so sure, but we'll definitely need a left-back. Greek lad is definitely a target, but I think that may be getting a little rich for us. |
Shame, would have loved to hear the PR crowd attempting to sing the Zorba the Greek theme  |  |
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| Downes.. on 12:50 - Jun 29 with 3780 views | Ryorry |
| Downes.. on 22:52 - Jun 28 by Horsham |
Yep I get that we’d not sign all of those players but it does seem like Town are looking at 2 expensive left sided defenders in Greaves and Jayden from Holland probably with a view to getting one, and Downes as a potential central midfielder and Omari + 1 for the attacking midfield/wide positions and Fotis the Greek up front so that still feels like Omari plus 4 in the £15-20m range (give or take) and even then we’d need another 4/5 on top which increasingly looks like one of those will need to be a new first choice keeper.
The thing that’s almost convinced me of this is the Fotis the Greek link, I was really surprised we’d sink that sort of money into that position given my starting assumption that we’d be looking for someone to share minutes with Hirst rather than usurp Hirst as first choice because we’d get more value in upgrading other positions. |
“and even then we’d need another 4/5 on top”
Seriously? I’d be worried about that, given what happened with Burley’s huge influx all those years ago. | |
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| Downes.. on 12:58 - Jun 29 with 3721 views | BarcaBlue |
| Downes.. on 11:36 - Jun 29 by ArnieM |
If he joins, and it's likely to be a big if, he'd get my support as a Town player. I'm not and have questioned his footballing ability, its his persona / attitude I'm not sure about and question would he fit. However, if McKenna is happy about that side of him, then I would
trust that, certainly.
But to return to your comment about FD suffering , What did FD "suffer"? |
You say you're not sure about his attitude but by recently calling him an "arrogant pr1ck" it seems that runs a tad deeper for you. Wanting out from a dysfunctional set up doesn't really deserve that. |  | | |
| Downes.. on 13:07 - Jun 29 with 3658 views | ArnieM |
| Downes.. on 12:58 - Jun 29 by BarcaBlue |
You say you're not sure about his attitude but by recently calling him an "arrogant pr1ck" it seems that runs a tad deeper for you. Wanting out from a dysfunctional set up doesn't really deserve that. |
Ok maybe that was a bit harsh on him, but he did behave like one. Maybe that’s why people booed him during Saints game? I don’t know, but I wasn’t one of them. He went about it the wrong way in my (and few others ) opinions. Do I hold that against him now? Maybe but I’m open to persuasion that he’s not got that in his personal locker, which is why on this thread I said no I’d not like him back. I didn’t have time when I’d posted that to qualify why I’d said no. But I have now in a post today. As I’ve said I’m not questioning his obvious football attributes, just his personality and would it fit with this squad of players and the Club’s new ethos. There really is no conspiracy here, you know . But as is so often on this forum I’m gaslighted for voicing ANY opinion ( even though it aligns with others views). | |
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| Downes.. on 13:10 - Jun 29 with 3634 views | ArnieM |
| Downes.. on 10:16 - Jun 29 by Mullet |
The fact you believe that means you have some sort of evidence presumably?
Flynn has even said last seasons people like yourself don’t know the whole story, so when did he do all of those things?
The fact you’ll willingly backtrack on it if he joins says it all. |
I’ll be honest with , I haven’t got a clue what you’re talking about here! “ when was he supposed to have done all those things”….. What things are you on about? You’ve lost me I’m afraid .
And can you please clarify what you mean by your comment that “he has suffered”. Suffered what? | |
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| Downes.. on 13:14 - Jun 29 with 3602 views | Ryorry |
| Downes.. on 09:43 - Jun 29 by ArnieM |
Mullet: you say FD has suffered a lot too. What has he suffered?
I am of the same mind as Bigalhunter regarding the way he went about things, downing tools, throwing his toys out of his pram etc , just when we needed him most, he wanted away but went about it in a very unprofessional and some would say, petulant way. It was a bad time for us as a club and like Bigalhunter, I too, lost all respect for him for that. I’m finding it hard atm to let go of that disappointment in him. BUT if he rejoined us, I have absolutely no doubt he’d be a very, very good signing. I do have respect for his football qualities, ( I certainly was not one of those who booed him when he returned with Saints, which was a ridiculous response by some sector of fans). I’m just not so sure about whether his personal attributes would fit with the players we now have in our squad. Would his personality fit with our new club ethos? |
“Personal attributes”? You don’t know him personally, so how are you in a position to comment on those? I’m confident you can rely on MA, KM and our owners to make that kind of assessment though, as should you be, given their wholly successful record to date.
I don’t recall anyone seriously criticising Downes at the time for wanting to leave, given he was clearly a class above that team and fully deserved his chance at a higher level. Any professional footballer would have done the same, it can be a short career and you sometimes only get one chance. | |
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| Downes.. on 13:40 - Jun 29 with 3483 views | ArnieM |
| Downes.. on 13:14 - Jun 29 by Ryorry |
“Personal attributes”? You don’t know him personally, so how are you in a position to comment on those? I’m confident you can rely on MA, KM and our owners to make that kind of assessment though, as should you be, given their wholly successful record to date.
I don’t recall anyone seriously criticising Downes at the time for wanting to leave, given he was clearly a class above that team and fully deserved his chance at a higher level. Any professional footballer would have done the same, it can be a short career and you sometimes only get one chance. |
Oh gif gods sake. Stop trying to make something of my words that are not there.
I’m talking about his attitude. He displayed an attitude , throwing a strop when Town would allow him to talk to Palace. It was all well documented on here and in the press. It happened. No one knows him personally, or anyone else that is in the public eye but we all draw conclusions from what is reported and what we see, don’t we. So please stop making me out to be any different from anyone else on here. I’ve already said in posts on this thread that if McKenna has spoken with him and is happy with all things re FD, then, I am happy with and confident with his judgement.
Should I re type that do as not to be once again misquoted, or have my words yet again twisted?
I’ll state once again, I had no issue with him wanting to leave ( obviously I like everyone else on didn’t want him to leave, because he was so important to the team at that time), what I (and a good many others) didn’t like was the way he went about it. That’s all I’ve ever said. And it made me question him, which so have others .But once again it’s just me that’s being targeted for raising that . Someone else has said on this very thread they didn’t like the way he threw his toys out of the pram . He gets one down vote … I get many more.
I’m finished with this now.
If he signs , great. If he doesn’t, he doesn’t . | |
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| Downes.. on 13:52 - Jun 29 with 3390 views | NeedhamChris |
| Downes.. on 13:40 - Jun 29 by ArnieM |
Oh gif gods sake. Stop trying to make something of my words that are not there.
I’m talking about his attitude. He displayed an attitude , throwing a strop when Town would allow him to talk to Palace. It was all well documented on here and in the press. It happened. No one knows him personally, or anyone else that is in the public eye but we all draw conclusions from what is reported and what we see, don’t we. So please stop making me out to be any different from anyone else on here. I’ve already said in posts on this thread that if McKenna has spoken with him and is happy with all things re FD, then, I am happy with and confident with his judgement.
Should I re type that do as not to be once again misquoted, or have my words yet again twisted?
I’ll state once again, I had no issue with him wanting to leave ( obviously I like everyone else on didn’t want him to leave, because he was so important to the team at that time), what I (and a good many others) didn’t like was the way he went about it. That’s all I’ve ever said. And it made me question him, which so have others .But once again it’s just me that’s being targeted for raising that . Someone else has said on this very thread they didn’t like the way he threw his toys out of the pram . He gets one down vote … I get many more.
I’m finished with this now.
If he signs , great. If he doesn’t, he doesn’t . |
You claim to have no vendetta at all, yet you've previously posted no end of stuff about Downes including the below;
I will never divulge the nature of his behaviour away from football . But his attitude clearly isn’t just football based. Would you like the tel number of the person he behaved poorly towards? I’m sure they’d be happy to enlighten you to the event. They have absolutely no connection to football.
Does your offer still stand? |  |
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| Downes.. on 14:00 - Jun 29 with 3321 views | Ryorry |
| Downes.. on 13:40 - Jun 29 by ArnieM |
Oh gif gods sake. Stop trying to make something of my words that are not there.
I’m talking about his attitude. He displayed an attitude , throwing a strop when Town would allow him to talk to Palace. It was all well documented on here and in the press. It happened. No one knows him personally, or anyone else that is in the public eye but we all draw conclusions from what is reported and what we see, don’t we. So please stop making me out to be any different from anyone else on here. I’ve already said in posts on this thread that if McKenna has spoken with him and is happy with all things re FD, then, I am happy with and confident with his judgement.
Should I re type that do as not to be once again misquoted, or have my words yet again twisted?
I’ll state once again, I had no issue with him wanting to leave ( obviously I like everyone else on didn’t want him to leave, because he was so important to the team at that time), what I (and a good many others) didn’t like was the way he went about it. That’s all I’ve ever said. And it made me question him, which so have others .But once again it’s just me that’s being targeted for raising that . Someone else has said on this very thread they didn’t like the way he threw his toys out of the pram . He gets one down vote … I get many more.
I’m finished with this now.
If he signs , great. If he doesn’t, he doesn’t . |
"Oh gif gods sake. Stop trying to make something of my words that are not there."
You yourself literally wrote "I’m just not so sure about whether his personal attributes would fit with the players we now have in our squad. Would his personality fit with our new club ethos?"
You have no idea what went on behind the scenes at the time but thought it OK to describe him as "throwing a strop when Town would(n't?) allow him to talk to Palace". Yes people draw conclusions, but all on this thread bar you and one other have come to a different conclusion.
I do think you sometimes get a disproportionate number of downies, but on this occasion I gave you one myself because of your claim that you were being "gaslit" by people playing the man not the ball - you weren't - you were being criticised for your opinion in this thread, in which you are very much in the minority.
"If he signs , great. If he doesn’t, he doesn’t ."
Good! | |
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| Downes.. on 14:31 - Jun 29 with 3177 views | ArnieM |
| Downes.. on 14:00 - Jun 29 by Ryorry |
"Oh gif gods sake. Stop trying to make something of my words that are not there."
You yourself literally wrote "I’m just not so sure about whether his personal attributes would fit with the players we now have in our squad. Would his personality fit with our new club ethos?"
You have no idea what went on behind the scenes at the time but thought it OK to describe him as "throwing a strop when Town would(n't?) allow him to talk to Palace". Yes people draw conclusions, but all on this thread bar you and one other have come to a different conclusion.
I do think you sometimes get a disproportionate number of downies, but on this occasion I gave you one myself because of your claim that you were being "gaslit" by people playing the man not the ball - you weren't - you were being criticised for your opinion in this thread, in which you are very much in the minority.
"If he signs , great. If he doesn’t, he doesn’t ."
Good! |
So whilst you and few others on here as usual gaslight me for posting an opinion snd try to make out its “ just me”, cast your eyes over the numerous posts from several Town fans who hold the same view.
It really isn’t just me questioning his attitude, ok! Now go and gaslight those fans.
https://www.facebook.com/share/Pc3Rznc2ZsY6v6AE/He | |
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| Downes.. on 14:36 - Jun 29 with 3143 views | chicoazul |
| Downes.. on 14:31 - Jun 29 by ArnieM |
So whilst you and few others on here as usual gaslight me for posting an opinion snd try to make out its “ just me”, cast your eyes over the numerous posts from several Town fans who hold the same view.
It really isn’t just me questioning his attitude, ok! Now go and gaslight those fans.
https://www.facebook.com/share/Pc3Rznc2ZsY6v6AE/He |
Source; trust me bro |  |
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| Downes.. on 14:59 - Jun 29 with 3042 views | Horsham |
| Downes.. on 12:50 - Jun 29 by Ryorry |
“and even then we’d need another 4/5 on top”
Seriously? I’d be worried about that, given what happened with Burley’s huge influx all those years ago. |
Of course we’ll need a number of signings absolute min 7 and possibly as many as 10.
Keepers - we have 3 and all 3 might be leaving so we’d need a min 2 signings there if that happens. Looks like we’re planning at least 1 to come in so in essence we’re looking at signing min 1 keeper and max 3
Defenders - we have 6 and we’ll 2 for every position so there will be at least 2 to come in, maybe 3 (not counted Johnson as signed yet)
Midfielders- we have 3 plus Humphreys as an u21 and we’ll definitely want at least 1 more hence Downes talk so min 1 max 2
Wingers and Attacking Mids - we have 4 and we’ll want a min 6 but more likely more as KMac likes to keep those positions fresh with lots of substitutions so guess min 3 max 4 (not included Omari as done)
Numbers 9’s We’ve got Hirst and Ali and we’ll want 3 so min 1 and poss 2 if Ali gets loaned out.
So not sure why you’d be surprised by the probability of lots of signings. | | | |
| Downes.. on 15:10 - Jun 29 with 2987 views | Vegtablue |
Good on him for escaping the toxic waste dump we'd become were my thoughts at the time. We were on a road to nowhere and many levels below the environment Downes wanted for himself, both on and off the pitch. He proved himself emphatically right by smashing the Championship and earning a PL move just 11 months after leaving us! You don't climb so rapidly without talent, drive and professionalism. We know he's a top Championship player at the very worst, then you have KM's magic hands to factor in, so yes please from me if the price is right; £15M feels expensive for a player that mid-table West Ham didn't deem worth a squad place. | | | |
| Downes.. on 15:28 - Jun 29 with 2895 views | The_Romford_Blue |
From what I know.. we are definitely after him. I’d actually make us marginal favs to sign him if I was pricing it up.
8/11 - Towen
11/10 - Southampton
14/1 - Anywhere else |  |
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| Downes.. on 15:35 - Jun 29 with 2833 views | PhilTWTD |
| Downes.. on 15:28 - Jun 29 by The_Romford_Blue |
From what I know.. we are definitely after him. I’d actually make us marginal favs to sign him if I was pricing it up.
8/11 - Towen
11/10 - Southampton
14/1 - Anywhere else |
I think you should do this on all your posts on whatever subject! |  | | |
| Downes.. on 17:02 - Jun 29 with 2632 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Downes.. on 15:35 - Jun 29 by PhilTWTD |
I think you should do this on all your posts on whatever subject! |
Haha I can see that going down well on one of your ‘ahem’ threads. Odds for the thread to be pulled, odds for the number of banned posters to be mentioned, odds for the number of political parties to come up etc. | |
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| Downes.. on 17:07 - Jun 29 with 2564 views | Ryorry |
| Downes.. on 14:31 - Jun 29 by ArnieM |
So whilst you and few others on here as usual gaslight me for posting an opinion snd try to make out its “ just me”, cast your eyes over the numerous posts from several Town fans who hold the same view.
It really isn’t just me questioning his attitude, ok! Now go and gaslight those fans.
https://www.facebook.com/share/Pc3Rznc2ZsY6v6AE/He |
"This content isn't available at the moment
When this happens, it's usually because the owner only shared it with a small group of people or changed who can see it, or it's been deleted."
And no-one-s done any "gaslighting" of you - they've downvoted & objected to your guesswork-based criticism of FD - unless you're about to surprise us all by telling us you know him personally.
Plus sometimes it's not what people say, but the way that they say it that makes the difference in peoples' reactions to the same, or a similar, view on a subject. [Post edited 29 Jun 2024 17:15]
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| Downes.. on 17:22 - Jun 29 with 2467 views | PhilTWTD |
| Downes.. on 17:02 - Jun 29 by The_Romford_Blue |
Haha I can see that going down well on one of your ‘ahem’ threads. Odds for the thread to be pulled, odds for the number of banned posters to be mentioned, odds for the number of political parties to come up etc. |
Think the fee is the issue on Downes, as I understand it. Might prove to much for us unfortunately. | | | |
| Downes.. on 17:33 - Jun 29 with 2382 views | BarcaBlue |
| Downes.. on 17:22 - Jun 29 by PhilTWTD |
Think the fee is the issue on Downes, as I understand it. Might prove to much for us unfortunately. |
If the fee is too much, that may well rule out Southampton too you'd have thought so maybe he'll be sent out on loan again. | | | |
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