£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:16 - Jul 3 with 8236 views | King_of_Portman_Rd | Not sure I can see us paying that sort of combined figure.. but I suppose that’s probably not too far off what would be needed for Hull to consider Have we been seriously linked with Philogene this summer? I know we were last summer & Hull went and blew us away by paying £5m for him so clearly was on a list but I wasn’t sure if we’d revisited it given how much it would take and whether it’d be worth it |  | |  |
£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:19 - Jul 3 with 8135 views | Stu_boy | Assume broken down wown be approx £12 mil for greaves and £18 mil for philogene would seem pretty much the figures that could attract their attention |  | |  |
£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:19 - Jul 3 with 8131 views | davblue |
£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:16 - Jul 3 by King_of_Portman_Rd | Not sure I can see us paying that sort of combined figure.. but I suppose that’s probably not too far off what would be needed for Hull to consider Have we been seriously linked with Philogene this summer? I know we were last summer & Hull went and blew us away by paying £5m for him so clearly was on a list but I wasn’t sure if we’d revisited it given how much it would take and whether it’d be worth it |
can't believe we will be getting the Greek lad with that outlay. and probably still 3 to 5 players needed elsewhere. |  | |  |
£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:19 - Jul 3 with 8120 views | chicoazul | 4 down 8 to go! |  |
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£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:23 - Jul 3 with 7927 views | _clive_baker_ | 2 players we'll certainly have some interest in and a valuation that broadly sounds right. Can't help but feel it might be a bit of lazy journalism though. |  | |  |
£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:23 - Jul 3 with 7895 views | ITFCBlues |
£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:19 - Jul 3 by Stu_boy | Assume broken down wown be approx £12 mil for greaves and £18 mil for philogene would seem pretty much the figures that could attract their attention |
Don't thibk that gets their attention for Greaves when they'd like 20m. Think you'd be looking at 40m for the pair. Would we really be in for Philogene when we've just signed Hutch? |  |
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£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:25 - Jul 3 with 7810 views | Asa |
£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:16 - Jul 3 by King_of_Portman_Rd | Not sure I can see us paying that sort of combined figure.. but I suppose that’s probably not too far off what would be needed for Hull to consider Have we been seriously linked with Philogene this summer? I know we were last summer & Hull went and blew us away by paying £5m for him so clearly was on a list but I wasn’t sure if we’d revisited it given how much it would take and whether it’d be worth it |
Going rate really at £15m a pop for players of that ilk. Top Championship performers, who are young and believed to turn into decent Premier League players. Would imagine it's more likely £25m and £5m in add ons. Philogene would be an upgrade on Broadhead and Greaves on Burgess / Woolfenden. So it's what we are likely to have to pay to improve the side. Could then see similar moves for Rushworth, Downes and Ioannidis (or equivalents) and the rest of the squad completed by free agents or a couple of decent loans. We'd be at about £100m in fees at that point, which is probably about right (given we'll expect to make back that on 2-3 players that performed well if we did go down). Not sure too many of those players signed would take any kind of hit value wise if we bombed. So it's smart business despite the scary sums involved! |  | |  |
£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:25 - Jul 3 with 7809 views | davblue |
£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:23 - Jul 3 by ITFCBlues | Don't thibk that gets their attention for Greaves when they'd like 20m. Think you'd be looking at 40m for the pair. Would we really be in for Philogene when we've just signed Hutch? |
plays left and right, so as a squad addition would be a good pick up. Hutchinson will become our 10 i think. |  | |  | Login to get fewer ads
£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:27 - Jul 3 with 7664 views | Asa |
£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:25 - Jul 3 by davblue | plays left and right, so as a squad addition would be a good pick up. Hutchinson will become our 10 i think. |
Philogene, Hutchison and Burns is just incredible in terms of pace and directness. Certainly means we have some serious threat to counter attack in those games where we are more often than not dictated to and dominated possession wise. Hirst / Ioannidis or whoever / Al Hamadi all quick as well. |  | |  |
£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:28 - Jul 3 with 7655 views | Kieran_Knows |
£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:23 - Jul 3 by ITFCBlues | Don't thibk that gets their attention for Greaves when they'd like 20m. Think you'd be looking at 40m for the pair. Would we really be in for Philogene when we've just signed Hutch? |
An accounting friend of mine just made a decent point that it might suit Hull as they can manipulate the fee split between Greaves and Philogene so a lower sell on fee to Villa for Philogene and Greaves would be seen as pure proft for FFP reasons. |  |
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£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:29 - Jul 3 with 7535 views | davblue |
£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:27 - Jul 3 by Asa | Philogene, Hutchison and Burns is just incredible in terms of pace and directness. Certainly means we have some serious threat to counter attack in those games where we are more often than not dictated to and dominated possession wise. Hirst / Ioannidis or whoever / Al Hamadi all quick as well. |
if we do get them in and im still doubtful. Central midfield is the next big priority. |  | |  |
£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:31 - Jul 3 with 7423 views | Parky | Christ, going to be an exciting build up to the season. |  | |  |
£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:31 - Jul 3 with 7414 views | _clive_baker_ |
£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:23 - Jul 3 by ITFCBlues | Don't thibk that gets their attention for Greaves when they'd like 20m. Think you'd be looking at 40m for the pair. Would we really be in for Philogene when we've just signed Hutch? |
I'd have thought we would want both. Philogene can play on either side, so has Omari and also in the 10. I can see a 3 of Philogene - Hutchinson - Burns, which starts to feel like it has the athleticism and pace we'll need. With Chaplin and Broadhead as further options. If this deal were to be done then we're probably looking for a #9, CM to partner Morsy, and #1 GK as the 3 priorities. That would just leave some cover for Davis and perhaps another 9 on loan, depending on what we decide to do with Al-Hamadi. |  | |  |
£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:32 - Jul 3 with 7355 views | ITFCBlues |
£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:28 - Jul 3 by Kieran_Knows | An accounting friend of mine just made a decent point that it might suit Hull as they can manipulate the fee split between Greaves and Philogene so a lower sell on fee to Villa for Philogene and Greaves would be seen as pure proft for FFP reasons. |
That did go through my mind as well. But still, you'd think it'd take more than that to secure them both? |  |
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£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:35 - Jul 3 with 7196 views | Asa |
£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:31 - Jul 3 by _clive_baker_ | I'd have thought we would want both. Philogene can play on either side, so has Omari and also in the 10. I can see a 3 of Philogene - Hutchinson - Burns, which starts to feel like it has the athleticism and pace we'll need. With Chaplin and Broadhead as further options. If this deal were to be done then we're probably looking for a #9, CM to partner Morsy, and #1 GK as the 3 priorities. That would just leave some cover for Davis and perhaps another 9 on loan, depending on what we decide to do with Al-Hamadi. |
That is how I see it. Rushworth, Greaves, Downes, Philogene, Ioannidis or similar players. Probably another £80m to get those done, with about £65m - £70m up front. A free agent or two. Then a couple of top class loans late in the window when we know what needs filling where. Can see Davis, Morsy and Burns being the only guaranteed starters for next season and everyone else playing their part off the bench, rotated or proving themselves better than what comes in. |  | |  |
£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:37 - Jul 3 with 7123 views | chicoazul |
£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:23 - Jul 3 by ITFCBlues | Don't thibk that gets their attention for Greaves when they'd like 20m. Think you'd be looking at 40m for the pair. Would we really be in for Philogene when we've just signed Hutch? |
30 plus for eg Edmundson does it. We definitely want both. |  |
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£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:41 - Jul 3 with 6959 views | _clive_baker_ |
£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:35 - Jul 3 by Asa | That is how I see it. Rushworth, Greaves, Downes, Philogene, Ioannidis or similar players. Probably another £80m to get those done, with about £65m - £70m up front. A free agent or two. Then a couple of top class loans late in the window when we know what needs filling where. Can see Davis, Morsy and Burns being the only guaranteed starters for next season and everyone else playing their part off the bench, rotated or proving themselves better than what comes in. |
Yeah. I was told we'll spend £90m this summer, which sounded a bit nuts at the time but that's the price of premier league football I guess. Supposing this deal went through then we would be at £50m on 4 players. That would leave £40m on another few, and a couple of loans. Silly money, but considering the potential upside on all 4 we've signed already you would have some confidence that should the worst happen we would be able to recoup at worst the lions share of that investment, but potentially even a profit if 1 or 2 really hit it off. |  | |  |
£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:43 - Jul 3 with 6841 views | Mediocre_Quick |
£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:16 - Jul 3 by King_of_Portman_Rd | Not sure I can see us paying that sort of combined figure.. but I suppose that’s probably not too far off what would be needed for Hull to consider Have we been seriously linked with Philogene this summer? I know we were last summer & Hull went and blew us away by paying £5m for him so clearly was on a list but I wasn’t sure if we’d revisited it given how much it would take and whether it’d be worth it |
We just paid 18m for Omari, Why would we not pay £30m for 2 players? |  | |  |
£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:43 - Jul 3 with 6825 views | Kieran_Knows |
£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:32 - Jul 3 by ITFCBlues | That did go through my mind as well. But still, you'd think it'd take more than that to secure them both? |
It will, without a doubt. But if our starting offer is £30m, you'd like to think we have an understanding of what they're to achieve on both (suspect £20m each), so imagine a deal would get done around £35m, but with it more being loaded towards Greaves for accounting reasons. |  |
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£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:46 - Jul 3 with 6693 views | Europablue |
£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:28 - Jul 3 by Kieran_Knows | An accounting friend of mine just made a decent point that it might suit Hull as they can manipulate the fee split between Greaves and Philogene so a lower sell on fee to Villa for Philogene and Greaves would be seen as pure proft for FFP reasons. |
It really shouldn't be allowed to have a joint bid. Anyway, they will have to designate the price for each player. |  | |  |
£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:46 - Jul 3 with 6669 views | tractorboy1978 |
£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:41 - Jul 3 by _clive_baker_ | Yeah. I was told we'll spend £90m this summer, which sounded a bit nuts at the time but that's the price of premier league football I guess. Supposing this deal went through then we would be at £50m on 4 players. That would leave £40m on another few, and a couple of loans. Silly money, but considering the potential upside on all 4 we've signed already you would have some confidence that should the worst happen we would be able to recoup at worst the lions share of that investment, but potentially even a profit if 1 or 2 really hit it off. |
This is it - we seem to be targeting players with plenty of improvement in them, plenty of upside in terms of value and with exactly the attributes McKenna wants to use and mould. You'd also be comfortable with having all of Johnson, Hutchinson, Greaves, Philogene, Downes, Rushworth, Ioannidis on 4/5 year deals too, so plenty of time to amortise the fees over. I could easily see us signing all of the above and then supplementing it with a couple more experienced heads on frees and a loan or two. |  | |  |
£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:51 - Jul 3 with 6454 views | tractorboy1978 |
£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:46 - Jul 3 by Europablue | It really shouldn't be allowed to have a joint bid. Anyway, they will have to designate the price for each player. |
Of course, but as long as you aren't silly you can weight it one way or the other. If you assume you could do a deal at circa £35m, then nobody is going to question it being £17m Greaves, £18m Philogene rather than £13m Greaves, £22m Philogene for example. If you said £1m Philogene, £34m Greaves obviously it would be taking the p!ss! |  | |  |
£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:57 - Jul 3 with 6210 views | ITFCBlues |
£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:37 - Jul 3 by chicoazul | 30 plus for eg Edmundson does it. We definitely want both. |
What makes you think we want both? Philogene was linked last summer so guess it's fairly normal that we'd follow up interest in him based on our normal practice. |  |
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£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 10:04 - Jul 3 with 5954 views | Metal_Hacker | Oh Matron ! Yea please |  |
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£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 10:06 - Jul 3 with 5897 views | Simonds92 |
£30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 09:51 - Jul 3 by tractorboy1978 | Of course, but as long as you aren't silly you can weight it one way or the other. If you assume you could do a deal at circa £35m, then nobody is going to question it being £17m Greaves, £18m Philogene rather than £13m Greaves, £22m Philogene for example. If you said £1m Philogene, £34m Greaves obviously it would be taking the p!ss! |
That would all make sense, but Villa have a buy back option on him. So if we weighted the deal at, say, £12m they would have first option on him, I guess at that price? |  | |  |
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