| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 11:28 - Jul 3 with 3025 views | itfcsuth |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 10:12 - Jul 3 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Is it ?
15 million each for 2 of the best young players in England who are going to the Prem this summer.
30 mil would be very good business. |
Philogene less so to be fair, think he is a really good player, £15m is still a bit steep. Greaves for £15 is crazy dough though
To say they're 2 of the best young players in England is probably a bit much as well.
You have to be really careful getting these sort of signings right after a good season in the Championship, we've seen it before where clubs buy high prices off the back of a good season and they fail to deliver value for money.
Look at Alex Scott, Aaron Ramsey & Cameron Archer alone last season barely put a dent in the PL. [Post edited 3 Jul 2024 11:34]
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| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 11:31 - Jul 3 with 2965 views | BiGDonnie |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 10:26 - Jul 3 by GlasgowBlue |
Brentford are a bit further ahead of us on their Premier League journey and even they were gazumped on the Archie Gray deal by Spurs.
So I think it is going to be difficult to compete with West Ham and the like for the same players.
If we do then I think we are in for a special season. |
We competed and beat West Ham for Johnson.
Think we're more of an attractive proposition than a lot of people are giving us credit for. |  |
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| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 11:31 - Jul 3 with 2958 views | gordon |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 10:07 - Jul 3 by WeirdFishes |
I’d love for us to get this done, but the pessimist in me just can’t see it. Too much competition from more established clubs. |
Think it's a good move for the players too - if they go to a West Ham / Villa / Palace where there's more pressure and more competition for places, one injury/poor run of form or change of manager could see their career stall.
At ITFC they know they'll (if fit) be starters and with a manager with the skills to potentially improve them. If they are the real deal, they'll get a big move after a year (or two) anyway. |  | | |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 11:35 - Jul 3 with 2881 views | ipswichtillidie |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 11:31 - Jul 3 by BiGDonnie |
We competed and beat West Ham for Johnson.
Think we're more of an attractive proposition than a lot of people are giving us credit for. |
This exactly and whilst there is interest we may end up being the only club to put the money on the table. Clubs like West Ham may deem a starter like Greaves a risk. They need to improve what they have and with FFP can’t afford to take 15-20m punts on projects. This is where we have an advantage and that’s why we got hold of Johnson.
Like both players so no shocks really in our interest. Ambitious move though and would be a coup to get both even if unlikely.
Also worth noting West ham are in for Max Kilman at wolves. So would have thought Greaves is slightly further down their list for the reasons above. [Post edited 3 Jul 2024 11:43]
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| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 11:38 - Jul 3 with 2836 views | Vegtablue |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 11:13 - Jul 3 by tractorboy1978 |
Bristol City sold Webster for £20m 5 years ago. Your valuation of Greaves is miles off. And Philogene is a similar ball park to Omari. |
Wharton and Sinisterra both went for £20M last year too. Spent brilliantly it can buy you an England international, spent poorly it can buy you plenty who fail to make PL standard. We need to be convinced these guys are PL players-in-waiting obviously for £30M to be a coup. |  | | |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 11:40 - Jul 3 with 2789 views | itfcsuth |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 11:31 - Jul 3 by BiGDonnie |
We competed and beat West Ham for Johnson.
Think we're more of an attractive proposition than a lot of people are giving us credit for. |
Far more likely to get first team regular PL football here.
That is an attractive proposition to the right player with that attitude/mentality.
Believe that was big factor in Ben Johnson turning down West Ham to come here. | | | |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 11:43 - Jul 3 with 2720 views | LankHenners |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 11:28 - Jul 3 by itfcsuth |
Philogene less so to be fair, think he is a really good player, £15m is still a bit steep. Greaves for £15 is crazy dough though
To say they're 2 of the best young players in England is probably a bit much as well.
You have to be really careful getting these sort of signings right after a good season in the Championship, we've seen it before where clubs buy high prices off the back of a good season and they fail to deliver value for money.
Look at Alex Scott, Aaron Ramsey & Cameron Archer alone last season barely put a dent in the PL. [Post edited 3 Jul 2024 11:34]
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Scott was injured for half the season but still ended up making 20 odd appearances for a side that finished mid-table, the other two played for clubs that were absolutely dire, with Archer having been bought back by Villa. Ramsey also had a season-ending injury early in the New Year as well I think.
Our recruitment is a bit more in-depth than signing players 'after one good season', if we want someone then we think they're good enough for the level. |  |
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| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 11:51 - Jul 3 with 2615 views | itfcsuth |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 11:43 - Jul 3 by LankHenners |
Scott was injured for half the season but still ended up making 20 odd appearances for a side that finished mid-table, the other two played for clubs that were absolutely dire, with Archer having been bought back by Villa. Ramsey also had a season-ending injury early in the New Year as well I think.
Our recruitment is a bit more in-depth than signing players 'after one good season', if we want someone then we think they're good enough for the level. |
Scott & Ramsey were given poor reviews from their own fans for the time they had seen them, it's a really difficult step up.
Archer buy back was mandated with a relegation clause - Villa trying to offload him again immediately. | | | |
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| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 11:52 - Jul 3 with 2594 views | _clive_baker_ |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 11:43 - Jul 3 by LankHenners |
Scott was injured for half the season but still ended up making 20 odd appearances for a side that finished mid-table, the other two played for clubs that were absolutely dire, with Archer having been bought back by Villa. Ramsey also had a season-ending injury early in the New Year as well I think.
Our recruitment is a bit more in-depth than signing players 'after one good season', if we want someone then we think they're good enough for the level. |
We're recruiting really sensibly, as we need to.
The profile of players we're looking at, at a £15m contribution offers fairly limited downside risk IMO. If we go down and they under perform we'll still probably have an asset that we could sell for £10m and take a slight haircut, or if finances allow we can keep them in the knowledge they're very, very strong at Championship level. If they have good seasons in the PL then you can double your money on them if you want, £30m is the sort of cash established premier league clubs won't baulk at.
Philogene is a superb player. He was incredibly highly thought of at Villa, just didn't get quite close enough. He was exceptional for Cardiff on loan and was again for Hull last season. He's done it in multiple environments now and albeit in the Championship he's a player I would have here in a heartbeat. |  | | |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 12:10 - Jul 3 with 2361 views | LankHenners |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 11:51 - Jul 3 by itfcsuth |
Scott & Ramsey were given poor reviews from their own fans for the time they had seen them, it's a really difficult step up.
Archer buy back was mandated with a relegation clause - Villa trying to offload him again immediately. |
Don't buy 'fan reviews' when the highly-rated manager of the team played him as much as he did.
That it's a big step up is no mystery to either fans or more importantly our recruitment team so why people keep thinking we're going after players purely because they had a good season in the Championship is beyond me. | |
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| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 12:19 - Jul 3 with 2218 views | tractorboy1978 |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 11:51 - Jul 3 by itfcsuth |
Scott & Ramsey were given poor reviews from their own fans for the time they had seen them, it's a really difficult step up.
Archer buy back was mandated with a relegation clause - Villa trying to offload him again immediately. |
What's your alternative then? That we don't spend money because it is too risky? Any player we sign is going to come with some inherent risk. All those we seem to be keen on seem relatively low risk to me. [Post edited 3 Jul 2024 12:20]
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| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 12:33 - Jul 3 with 2064 views | LankHenners |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 11:52 - Jul 3 by _clive_baker_ |
We're recruiting really sensibly, as we need to.
The profile of players we're looking at, at a £15m contribution offers fairly limited downside risk IMO. If we go down and they under perform we'll still probably have an asset that we could sell for £10m and take a slight haircut, or if finances allow we can keep them in the knowledge they're very, very strong at Championship level. If they have good seasons in the PL then you can double your money on them if you want, £30m is the sort of cash established premier league clubs won't baulk at.
Philogene is a superb player. He was incredibly highly thought of at Villa, just didn't get quite close enough. He was exceptional for Cardiff on loan and was again for Hull last season. He's done it in multiple environments now and albeit in the Championship he's a player I would have here in a heartbeat. |
Yeah, you've got to be spending that sort of money anyway to give it a really good go. Sure we'll pick up 2 or 3 for under £10mil but the players we'll be hanging our hat on to be making a big impact will be around £15mil at least.
Bit too much traffic in the way for Philogene at Villa, felt like they let him go a bit reluctantly hence holding out for a decent fee and putting that buy back clause in there. Said before but him, Omari and Burns behind Hirst/the Greek lad makes you salivate just thinking about it. | |
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| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 13:00 - Jul 3 with 1889 views | itfcsuth |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 12:10 - Jul 3 by LankHenners |
Don't buy 'fan reviews' when the highly-rated manager of the team played him as much as he did.
That it's a big step up is no mystery to either fans or more importantly our recruitment team so why people keep thinking we're going after players purely because they had a good season in the Championship is beyond me. |
The recruitment team have got more right than wrong, and in no way am I suggesting or have said either are bad players.
Less so Philogene, although wouldn't have gone over £10m for him, but Greaves at £15m is crazy numbers from what I have seen of him. | | | |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 13:02 - Jul 3 with 1875 views | itfcsuth |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 12:19 - Jul 3 by tractorboy1978 |
What's your alternative then? That we don't spend money because it is too risky? Any player we sign is going to come with some inherent risk. All those we seem to be keen on seem relatively low risk to me. [Post edited 3 Jul 2024 12:20]
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Of course we have to spend money, nobody is suggesting otherwise, I'm only talking about value for player in respect of what I personally think their value is.
£15m for Greaves is crazy from what I've seen.
It's the price of success, clubs now know we have significant funds and their prices will reflect that. | | | |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 13:09 - Jul 3 with 1812 views | Asa |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 13:02 - Jul 3 by itfcsuth |
Of course we have to spend money, nobody is suggesting otherwise, I'm only talking about value for player in respect of what I personally think their value is.
£15m for Greaves is crazy from what I've seen.
It's the price of success, clubs now know we have significant funds and their prices will reflect that. |
For context, Wout Faes looked very good against France the other night.
Greaves is 23 and was deemed to be a better Championship defender. Greaves and Ampadu were voted into the Championship team of the year ahead of Vestergard, Danish international at the Euros, Faes, Belgian defender at the Euros, Harwood-Bellis, Bednarek the list goes on.
Greaves is 6'4, an all round defender, young, wanted by lots of Premier League clubs and has been right through the England set ups. He looks every inch the sort of player who could be be the next Guehi or Konsa or Webster. [Post edited 3 Jul 2024 13:24]
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| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 13:12 - Jul 3 with 1756 views | tractorboy1978 |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 13:02 - Jul 3 by itfcsuth |
Of course we have to spend money, nobody is suggesting otherwise, I'm only talking about value for player in respect of what I personally think their value is.
£15m for Greaves is crazy from what I've seen.
It's the price of success, clubs now know we have significant funds and their prices will reflect that. |
You just seem well out of touch with the price of players nowadays to be honest. | | | |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 13:18 - Jul 3 with 1674 views | BiGDonnie |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 13:02 - Jul 3 by itfcsuth |
Of course we have to spend money, nobody is suggesting otherwise, I'm only talking about value for player in respect of what I personally think their value is.
£15m for Greaves is crazy from what I've seen.
It's the price of success, clubs now know we have significant funds and their prices will reflect that. |
£15m for Greaves would be a great price.
It has nothing to do with the price of success, it's the going rate for top talents from the Championship. Think you're going to be surprised, more than once this transfer window. | |
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| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 13:39 - Jul 3 with 1535 views | N2_Blue |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 13:00 - Jul 3 by itfcsuth |
The recruitment team have got more right than wrong, and in no way am I suggesting or have said either are bad players.
Less so Philogene, although wouldn't have gone over £10m for him, but Greaves at £15m is crazy numbers from what I have seen of him. |
You wouldn’t go over 10m for Philogene!? That suggests to me you haven’t seen much of him. He is a fantastic young player who could quite easily demand double that. |  |
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| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 14:03 - Jul 3 with 1446 views | itfcsuth |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 13:12 - Jul 3 by tractorboy1978 |
You just seem well out of touch with the price of players nowadays to be honest. |
I think I'm just more aware and alert to the fact to buy from young English talent in this country you have to pay the premium and inflated prices.
We aren't constricted to these shores anymore.
If Greaves was from abroad he'd be a third of the price. | | | |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 14:06 - Jul 3 with 1419 views | itfcsuth |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 13:39 - Jul 3 by N2_Blue |
You wouldn’t go over 10m for Philogene!? That suggests to me you haven’t seen much of him. He is a fantastic young player who could quite easily demand double that. |
That's true, I have probably only seen him a handful of times last season, a small amount at Stoke and watched him in the PL pre season summer series for Villa where he was excellent.
You must have seen him a lot more though. | | | |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 14:06 - Jul 3 with 1409 views | itfcsuth |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 13:18 - Jul 3 by BiGDonnie |
£15m for Greaves would be a great price.
It has nothing to do with the price of success, it's the going rate for top talents from the Championship. Think you're going to be surprised, more than once this transfer window. |
Why are we constricted to Championship top talents only? | | | |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 14:09 - Jul 3 with 1374 views | sjg |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 14:03 - Jul 3 by itfcsuth |
I think I'm just more aware and alert to the fact to buy from young English talent in this country you have to pay the premium and inflated prices.
We aren't constricted to these shores anymore.
If Greaves was from abroad he'd be a third of the price. |
and unproven in English football, moving to a country he hasn't lived in before to play in a team where he doesn't speak the language that the majority of the players do | | | |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 14:10 - Jul 3 with 1367 views | _clive_baker_ |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 13:09 - Jul 3 by Asa |
For context, Wout Faes looked very good against France the other night.
Greaves is 23 and was deemed to be a better Championship defender. Greaves and Ampadu were voted into the Championship team of the year ahead of Vestergard, Danish international at the Euros, Faes, Belgian defender at the Euros, Harwood-Bellis, Bednarek the list goes on.
Greaves is 6'4, an all round defender, young, wanted by lots of Premier League clubs and has been right through the England set ups. He looks every inch the sort of player who could be be the next Guehi or Konsa or Webster. [Post edited 3 Jul 2024 13:24]
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He's a premier league player there's no doubt about it, whether its with us or someone else its a when not if. | | | |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 14:12 - Jul 3 with 1346 views | hype313 |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 14:06 - Jul 3 by itfcsuth |
Why are we constricted to Championship top talents only? |
Because the majority of PL teams have hugely over inflated wages for average players, so you can take the likes of Maguire, if you cough up £200k a week.... |  |
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| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 14:13 - Jul 3 with 1333 views | itfcsuth |
| £30m bid in for Philogene and Greaves from Hull... on 14:09 - Jul 3 by sjg |
and unproven in English football, moving to a country he hasn't lived in before to play in a team where he doesn't speak the language that the majority of the players do |
So we're paying 3 times the price because he already lives in England and can speak English. | | | |
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