| Political question 10:24 - Jul 4 with 3253 views | Ansty |
Will Labour start increasing income tax on anyone that earns what is deemed a high salary by them (more than thrapence a year) from first thing tomorrow morning or will they wait till Monday?
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| Political question on 10:26 - Jul 4 with 2653 views | Blueschev |
Not until Monday. Tomorrow morning Starmer will remove his mask to reveal that he was Corbyn all along, Scooby Doo style. |  | | |
| Political question on 10:26 - Jul 4 with 2652 views | Keno |
No they will wait until they prepare a throughly thought through and costed budget |  |
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| Political question on 10:27 - Jul 4 with 2630 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
Ooh, I hope so.
Squeeze them 'til the pips squeak. |  |
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| Political question on 10:30 - Jul 4 with 2598 views | Churchman |
| Political question on 10:26 - Jul 4 by Keno |
No they will wait until they prepare a throughly thought through and costed budget |
All budget measures were actually costed thoroughly once upon a time. |  | | |
| Political question on 10:32 - Jul 4 with 2577 views | Pencilpete |
Labour are a complete unknown quantity - they knew when the election was called they were in a ridiculously strong position mainly due to the Tories being so unpopular and as long as they kept their gobs shut and didn't say anything controversial they were going to get a landslide ... the problem with that is nobody really knows exactly what they want to do and how they will go about things, they're winning on the basis that "they can't be any worse" ... alot of people have said to me look at Wales where Labour have governed for 25 years and theres longer NHS waiting lists than England, higher taxes and a hugely unpopular 20 Mph speed limit to name a few things ... having said that the Welsh have continually voted them in for the last 25 years and if you look at the opinion polls Wales will be 90% Labour so if they were as bad as that why would they keep getting the votes ?
Ultimately people want change and I HOPE Labour are that change and will deliver it because if it's more of the same with little tweaks then i can see them getting very unpopular very quickly and in 5 years time having had a gutfull of the Tories, tried labour and got nowhere then there will be a huge support for Nigel Farage. | | | |
| Political question on 10:32 - Jul 4 with 2566 views | Keno |
| Political question on 10:30 - Jul 4 by Churchman |
All budget measures were actually costed thoroughly once upon a time. |
In Liz we Truss | |
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| Political question on 10:36 - Jul 4 with 2536 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Tories have frozen the threshold for several years - a significant tax rise given the wage inflation of the last couple of years. They’ve also given us a record post war tax burden, don’t believe Sunak’s weasel lies.
That said, the incoming government WILL have to increase taxes further or see public services degrade further. Corporation taxes are already heading above our peers in the next few years, so you have to assume additional taxes will fal on individuals at some point. | | | |
| Political question on 10:38 - Jul 4 with 2518 views | GavTWTD |
I understand that an invoice for £2000 will be sent to every person in the uk. |  |
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| Political question on 10:39 - Jul 4 with 2501 views | J2BLUE |
haha bless |  |
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| Political question on 10:41 - Jul 4 with 2492 views | positivity |
it's in both the labour and tory manifesto to not raise the income tax threshold, so the answer is they will continue with the tory tax rises in the short term.
hopefully in the long term they will increase taxes on the very richest, but it's not promised or that likely soon unfortunately | |
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| Political question on 10:58 - Jul 4 with 2413 views | brazil1982 |
No tax rises for working people. According to Starmer, "working people" are those with no savings. Make of that what you will. |  | | |
| Political question on 11:03 - Jul 4 with 2378 views | Zx1988 |
Nice try, Tory boy. | |
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| Political question on 11:16 - Jul 4 with 2313 views | Pinewoodblue |
Wouldn't expect a budget before late September |  |
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| Political question on 11:32 - Jul 4 with 2273 views | Basuco |
Can they go any higher? Rishi raised tax to the highest level since the war, and also cut central government payment to councils so that council tax was raised as well. |  | | |
| Political question on 11:41 - Jul 4 with 2210 views | textbackup |
Can wait to pay more for a bunch of spongers and scroungers to sit of doorsteps all day.
*ive no political side, but it’s often said Labour would raise taxes, so that’s where my post comes from. |  |
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| Political question on 11:49 - Jul 4 with 2135 views | leitrimblue |
| Political question on 11:41 - Jul 4 by textbackup |
Can wait to pay more for a bunch of spongers and scroungers to sit of doorsteps all day.
*ive no political side, but it’s often said Labour would raise taxes, so that’s where my post comes from. |
They bring a lot of money into the country via tourism or something like that..
Sorry wrong family  |  | | |
| Political question on 12:08 - Jul 4 with 2038 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Political question on 10:32 - Jul 4 by Pencilpete |
Labour are a complete unknown quantity - they knew when the election was called they were in a ridiculously strong position mainly due to the Tories being so unpopular and as long as they kept their gobs shut and didn't say anything controversial they were going to get a landslide ... the problem with that is nobody really knows exactly what they want to do and how they will go about things, they're winning on the basis that "they can't be any worse" ... alot of people have said to me look at Wales where Labour have governed for 25 years and theres longer NHS waiting lists than England, higher taxes and a hugely unpopular 20 Mph speed limit to name a few things ... having said that the Welsh have continually voted them in for the last 25 years and if you look at the opinion polls Wales will be 90% Labour so if they were as bad as that why would they keep getting the votes ?
Ultimately people want change and I HOPE Labour are that change and will deliver it because if it's more of the same with little tweaks then i can see them getting very unpopular very quickly and in 5 years time having had a gutfull of the Tories, tried labour and got nowhere then there will be a huge support for Nigel Farage. |
"Labour are a complete unknown quantity" - not true in relation to tax (which was the OP's question). They've said they won't raise increase income tax, national insurance or VAT - https://labour.org.uk/updates/stories/labour-party-tax-policy-how-we-will-make-t
"nobody really knows exactly what they want to do and how they will go about things" - not true. https://labour.org.uk/change/
"look at Wales... theres longer NHS waiting lists". Yes, Wales does struggle with the NHS although the devil's in the detail. Wales faces larger challenges with an older, less healthy generally and poorer population. The political priorities are also different, with Wales not focussing on the longer waiting list times - they have other priorities around the most acute cases. So it's a bit of an apple and pears comparison. Also, of course, although the funding allocation is determined by the Barnett Formula, the envelope of total funding is set by Westminster.
"hugely unpopular 20 Mph speed limit" - largely tribal nonsense to be honest. It's unpopular, but it has reduced average speed in built up areas, which can't be a bad thing.
They keep getting votes because people know they're serious and doing their best. Drakeford carried himself well through Covid, and even though they faced the same problems as the rest of the UK he didn't engage in performative politics like Johnson. |  |
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| Political question on 12:50 - Jul 4 with 1921 views | Pencilpete |
| Political question on 12:08 - Jul 4 by Swansea_Blue |
"Labour are a complete unknown quantity" - not true in relation to tax (which was the OP's question). They've said they won't raise increase income tax, national insurance or VAT - https://labour.org.uk/updates/stories/labour-party-tax-policy-how-we-will-make-t
"nobody really knows exactly what they want to do and how they will go about things" - not true. https://labour.org.uk/change/
"look at Wales... theres longer NHS waiting lists". Yes, Wales does struggle with the NHS although the devil's in the detail. Wales faces larger challenges with an older, less healthy generally and poorer population. The political priorities are also different, with Wales not focussing on the longer waiting list times - they have other priorities around the most acute cases. So it's a bit of an apple and pears comparison. Also, of course, although the funding allocation is determined by the Barnett Formula, the envelope of total funding is set by Westminster.
"hugely unpopular 20 Mph speed limit" - largely tribal nonsense to be honest. It's unpopular, but it has reduced average speed in built up areas, which can't be a bad thing.
They keep getting votes because people know they're serious and doing their best. Drakeford carried himself well through Covid, and even though they faced the same problems as the rest of the UK he didn't engage in performative politics like Johnson. |
Thanks for the insight into Wales - thats one point thats really baffled me throughout the election ... if Labour were so bad in Wales why have they be continually voted in ? surely theyd face a Tory style wipeout ??
I have voted Labour today but if i'm honest its more in hope than expectation - my concerns with things like Tax is more about what they arn't saying .... you can tax people without raising Income tax, NI and VAT .... Fuel and Council tax would be my immediate concerns but my overriding thought was the Tories have made an absolute pigs ear of it and Starmer deserves an opportunity .... if he doesn't improve things then he will face the consequences just as the Tories have done now.
As i touched on with my previous post the big concern is that if Labour don't turn the corner for everyone then there will be ALOT of disgruntled voters in 2029 (or whenever the next election is) that will go with Nigel Farage | | | |
| Political question on 12:50 - Jul 4 with 1919 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Political question on 10:32 - Jul 4 by Pencilpete |
Labour are a complete unknown quantity - they knew when the election was called they were in a ridiculously strong position mainly due to the Tories being so unpopular and as long as they kept their gobs shut and didn't say anything controversial they were going to get a landslide ... the problem with that is nobody really knows exactly what they want to do and how they will go about things, they're winning on the basis that "they can't be any worse" ... alot of people have said to me look at Wales where Labour have governed for 25 years and theres longer NHS waiting lists than England, higher taxes and a hugely unpopular 20 Mph speed limit to name a few things ... having said that the Welsh have continually voted them in for the last 25 years and if you look at the opinion polls Wales will be 90% Labour so if they were as bad as that why would they keep getting the votes ?
Ultimately people want change and I HOPE Labour are that change and will deliver it because if it's more of the same with little tweaks then i can see them getting very unpopular very quickly and in 5 years time having had a gutfull of the Tories, tried labour and got nowhere then there will be a huge support for Nigel Farage. |
Oh, and there aren't higher taxes in Wales either (not as far as I'm aware anyway). At least not for income tax, which the Welsh Government have some say over. Actually, income tax is lower in wales for some, as the upper threshold for basic rate taxpayers is £52,700, compared to £37,700 in England. | |
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| Political question on 12:51 - Jul 4 with 1916 views | blueasfook |
| Political question on 10:26 - Jul 4 by Blueschev |
Not until Monday. Tomorrow morning Starmer will remove his mask to reveal that he was Corbyn all along, Scooby Doo style. |
At least we'll all get free broadband [Post edited 4 Jul 2024 12:52]
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| Political question on 12:54 - Jul 4 with 1876 views | wkj |
If taxes goes up a little and that money is put into places where it is needed, I can't really complain. If it is spaffed against the proverbial wall then not so much |  |
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| Political question on 12:54 - Jul 4 with 1871 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Political question on 12:50 - Jul 4 by Pencilpete |
Thanks for the insight into Wales - thats one point thats really baffled me throughout the election ... if Labour were so bad in Wales why have they be continually voted in ? surely theyd face a Tory style wipeout ??
I have voted Labour today but if i'm honest its more in hope than expectation - my concerns with things like Tax is more about what they arn't saying .... you can tax people without raising Income tax, NI and VAT .... Fuel and Council tax would be my immediate concerns but my overriding thought was the Tories have made an absolute pigs ear of it and Starmer deserves an opportunity .... if he doesn't improve things then he will face the consequences just as the Tories have done now.
As i touched on with my previous post the big concern is that if Labour don't turn the corner for everyone then there will be ALOT of disgruntled voters in 2029 (or whenever the next election is) that will go with Nigel Farage |
There does seem to be a bit of a false narrative developing that Labour can immediately turn everything around. That doesn't seem to fit with various experts who think it's going to take multiple terms to reverse some of the damage caused over the last 14 years. So yes, when everything isn't rosie in 5 years, it is a worry that people may turn to the populist Reform lot. | |
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| Political question on 13:00 - Jul 4 with 1820 views | Pencilpete |
| Political question on 12:54 - Jul 4 by Swansea_Blue |
There does seem to be a bit of a false narrative developing that Labour can immediately turn everything around. That doesn't seem to fit with various experts who think it's going to take multiple terms to reverse some of the damage caused over the last 14 years. So yes, when everything isn't rosie in 5 years, it is a worry that people may turn to the populist Reform lot. |
I don't expect a magic wand but if in 5 years time people can see progress
for example - we inherited an 8m NHS waiting list and now it's 5.5M then I think it will be enough to get a second term especially with the majority they're likely to have
if progress is minimal, not at all or (god forbid) it gets worse over the next 5 years thats when people will get frustrated and go for an extreme solution. | | | |
| Political question on 13:05 - Jul 4 with 1789 views | soupytwist |
| Political question on 12:50 - Jul 4 by Pencilpete |
Thanks for the insight into Wales - thats one point thats really baffled me throughout the election ... if Labour were so bad in Wales why have they be continually voted in ? surely theyd face a Tory style wipeout ??
I have voted Labour today but if i'm honest its more in hope than expectation - my concerns with things like Tax is more about what they arn't saying .... you can tax people without raising Income tax, NI and VAT .... Fuel and Council tax would be my immediate concerns but my overriding thought was the Tories have made an absolute pigs ear of it and Starmer deserves an opportunity .... if he doesn't improve things then he will face the consequences just as the Tories have done now.
As i touched on with my previous post the big concern is that if Labour don't turn the corner for everyone then there will be ALOT of disgruntled voters in 2029 (or whenever the next election is) that will go with Nigel Farage |
As far as council tax goes each local authority sets the level of council tax annually and can retain all of the funding raised to support its budget. Each year the government publishes referendum thresholds for council tax. If local authorities want to increase council tax levels above these thresholds, they are required to hold a referendum.
So, a Labour goverment would have to change how the system works to significantly increase council tax, which they might. Or they might not.
I think that they have ruled out re-setting the council tax bands that each house sits in. There's a good argument that such a change is long overdue but it would be best as part of a general overhaul of property/land taxes, including something like completely binning stamp duty on house/land sales.
What they do with fuel duty we'll have to wait and see, but again the whole system of raising revenue from road users needs looking at with the increasing prevalence of electric cars. |  | | |
| Political question on 13:37 - Jul 4 with 1677 views | BloomBlue |
Will it be individual or joint income? |  | | |
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