| If it's morally wrong to eat meat because they're sentient beings 11:44 - Jul 27 with 6223 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
would the same be for fish... and indeed insects (which are eaten in a number of cultures)?
Not trying to start another argument, I think it's an interesting debate. I would accept that I don't need to eat meat - I could survive without it - and therefore it's probably morally wrong (which doesn't necessarily equate to cruel, BTW).
A diet based on plenty of fish is proven to be very good for you, so that's an added dimension to the debate. Science/health professionals tell us we should eat at least two portions of fish a week - yet they're sentient beings. So is it less morally wrong because they're good for humans?
And then how far down do you go and what is the deciding factor? Size of brain/intelligence? |  |
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| If it's morally wrong to eat meat because they're sentient beings on 08:03 - Jul 29 with 1240 views | Swansea_Blue |
| If it's morally wrong to eat meat because they're sentient beings on 04:12 - Jul 29 by Thundermuffin86 |
If sentience is the key factor, it's tough to justify eating fish or insects over other animals. |
I don’t think any of them care about grammatical constructs 🤪 |  |
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| If it's morally wrong to eat meat because they're sentient beings on 10:26 - Jul 29 with 1172 views | KrakenBlue |
While I'm veggie my wife and children are pescatarian.
The way I see it is if a fish has lived in the wild (as opposed to being farmed) it's had a "nice" life. Do I feel good that it would have been scooped up in a huge net and suffocated? No. Has it had a better life than lots of other animals destined for the plate? easily yes.
But I might be an outlier as I don't have a problem with people eating meat if they've raised it and slaughtered it themselves. |  | | |
| If it's morally wrong to eat meat because they're sentient beings on 10:28 - Jul 29 with 1169 views | unbelievablue |
Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering whale; to the last I grapple with thee; from hell’s heart I stab at thee; for hate’s sake I spit my last breath at thee. Sink all coffins and all hearses to one common pool! and since neither can be mine, let me then tow to pieces, while still chasing thee, though tied to thee, thou damned whale! Thus, I give up the spear!
I really like fish. |  |
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| If it's morally wrong to eat meat because they're sentient beings on 10:42 - Jul 29 with 1148 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| If it's morally wrong to eat meat because they're sentient beings on 07:51 - Jul 29 by chicoazul |
Explain for us all the differences between an argument and a debate as you understand them. |
When I saw your name I was expecting something feckwitted, but I didn't expect THAT! | |
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| If it's morally wrong to eat meat because they're sentient beings on 11:24 - Jul 29 with 1119 views | Ryorry |
| If it's morally wrong to eat meat because they're sentient beings on 07:46 - Jul 29 by Swansea_Blue |
Which ironically could mean we’re damaging the environment more and threatening food security, as we kill off wild populations of insects that are critical to crops in many parts of the world. Moral maze innit. |
Almost as if the whole thing hasn't been thought through isn't it ...
Friend's degree is in ecology/environmental studies - he pointed out years ago that to do rewilding in the UK, you have to go the whole proper hog (sowweeee ...) otherwise it just doesn't work. That means re-introducing wolves, wild boars etc etc. Not sure some TWTDer's kids being hunted for din-dins, or getting trampled on when they go for their nice countryside walks, is what their parent posters had in mind ... |  |
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| If it's morally wrong to eat meat because they're sentient beings on 11:51 - Jul 29 with 1099 views | Swailsey |
I’ve largely stayed away from both of these threads as I think they’re just designed to antagonise people, but as a vegetarian of 15 years and vegan of 2 my take is:
You’re either all in or you’re not. If you don’t eat meat then you shouldn’t eat fish - it’s selective ignorance in my opinion to think a giant tuna feels less pain than a chicken.
Insects are a slightly more interesting one as they have different nervous systems to mammals and interpret things based more on instinct. I’m not clued up enough to know which feel nothing, so I err on the side of not eating anything that’s alive and which I think is vaguely sentient. Just let living things live. |  |
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| If it's morally wrong to eat meat because they're sentient beings on 12:08 - Jul 29 with 1073 views | ElephantintheRoom |
And what about all those fish eating insects. | |
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| If it's morally wrong to eat meat because they're sentient beings on 12:11 - Jul 29 with 1076 views | chicoazul |
| If it's morally wrong to eat meat because they're sentient beings on 10:42 - Jul 29 by The_Flashing_Smile |
When I saw your name I was expecting something feckwitted, but I didn't expect THAT! |
You don’t want an argument but you think it’s an interesting debate? We’ll get you there in the end little fella. |  |
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| If it's morally wrong to eat meat because they're sentient beings on 12:31 - Jul 29 with 1055 views | Ryorry |
| If it's morally wrong to eat meat because they're sentient beings on 12:08 - Jul 29 by ElephantintheRoom |
And what about all those fish eating insects. |
Good to see someone with a sense of humour on the thread 👍 | |
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| If it's morally wrong to eat meat because they're sentient beings on 16:52 - Jul 29 with 1011 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| If it's morally wrong to eat meat because they're sentient beings on 12:11 - Jul 29 by chicoazul |
You don’t want an argument but you think it’s an interesting debate? We’ll get you there in the end little fella. |
I don't think you'll get me anywhere (and the use of "we'll" is rather odd as you mostly seem to be on your own with your hot-takes about life).
I'd have thought the difference between an argument and a debate, in the context I've posted, would be fairly obvious to most people with a brain in their nut. | |
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| If it's morally wrong to eat meat because they're sentient beings on 16:54 - Jul 29 with 1003 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| If it's morally wrong to eat meat because they're sentient beings on 11:51 - Jul 29 by Swailsey |
I’ve largely stayed away from both of these threads as I think they’re just designed to antagonise people, but as a vegetarian of 15 years and vegan of 2 my take is:
You’re either all in or you’re not. If you don’t eat meat then you shouldn’t eat fish - it’s selective ignorance in my opinion to think a giant tuna feels less pain than a chicken.
Insects are a slightly more interesting one as they have different nervous systems to mammals and interpret things based more on instinct. I’m not clued up enough to know which feel nothing, so I err on the side of not eating anything that’s alive and which I think is vaguely sentient. Just let living things live. |
I can assure you this thread wasn't designed to antagonise people and I think your response is excellent and very fair, frankly. | |
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| If it's morally wrong to eat meat because they're sentient beings on 19:49 - Jul 29 with 982 views | KBsSocks |
Molluscs ? I have an issue with eating molluscs, too, for example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Octopus_Teacher
More "food (or not) for thought".
I have a mate who's vegan, excepting if he kills it he will eat it. Try that for an alternative viewpoint, too, maybe :) |  |
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| If it's morally wrong to eat meat because they're sentient beings on 21:34 - Jul 29 with 941 views | BlueBoots |
"And then how far down do you go and what is the deciding factor? Size of brain/intelligence?"
Should the size of animal be a deciding factor too? If you have an average sized steak, in relation to the average usable meat on the carcass of a cow, you're about 0.00067% responsible for the death of a single big animal. If you have 6 chicken wings, you're about 0.085% responsible for the death of 3-6 small ones (depending on how they were sourced)
You could use the same argument for fish...if you go to a restaurant, it must be better to have a swordfish steak (an animal that probably weighed between 50kg-100kg would be a source of many of these) rather than being a child serial killer by ordering the whitebait?
I might be opening a can of worms here (run out of spam) |  |
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| If it's morally wrong to eat meat because they're sentient beings on 22:16 - Jul 29 with 911 views | J2BLUE |
The more I eat fibre packed plant based meals the more I crave them.
I've had an issue controlling my weight for over two decades but when I make the effort to have a decent plant based meal packed with fibre I don't think about food again for hours. Instead of counting down the time to the next meal I can skip meals and not even think about it.
Purely anecdotal obviously but when you think fibre is one of the nutrients most people are deficient in, if you can use some lentils/chickpeas etc you are not only doing yourself some good but also doing the environment some good.
Anecdotal obviously. Not suggesting normal healthy people shouldn't eat meat. Just found it interesting |  |
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| If it's morally wrong to eat meat because they're sentient beings on 22:47 - Jul 29 with 895 views | mutters |
| If it's morally wrong to eat meat because they're sentient beings on 10:26 - Jul 29 by KrakenBlue |
While I'm veggie my wife and children are pescatarian.
The way I see it is if a fish has lived in the wild (as opposed to being farmed) it's had a "nice" life. Do I feel good that it would have been scooped up in a huge net and suffocated? No. Has it had a better life than lots of other animals destined for the plate? easily yes.
But I might be an outlier as I don't have a problem with people eating meat if they've raised it and slaughtered it themselves. |
Do you raise, catch and prepare your own fish then? |  |
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