| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle 16:15 - Aug 8 with 20940 views | baxterbasics |
Oh dear indeed. No wonder these hypocrites want to censor social media - they need to cover their tracks!
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| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 20:51 - Aug 8 with 2530 views | Pencilpete |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 20:46 - Aug 8 by reusersfreekicks |
Nonsense. Noone is judging people concerned re immigration levels. Just that intimidating people, violent behaviour and generally following the path of hate is unacceptable and illegal.
If you think Reform with all their dog whistling, lies and sh1t stirring might be the party for you then Labour never was |
I’m pretty sure we’re on a thread where a Labour MP has shown some very unsavoury views and in the news there’s a Labour Councillor encouraging throat slashing
So please don’t tell me Reform are the only ones full of people like that
What you need to understand is that all sides of the argument have people who say extreme things, do extreme things and behave like animals - at the moment you seem to think it’s all one way and your side behaves impeccable all the time. |  | | |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 20:53 - Aug 8 with 2518 views | Pencilpete |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 20:48 - Aug 8 by reusersfreekicks |
They say far worse all the time |
I refer my honourable friend to the answer I gave some moments ago ! | | | |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 21:01 - Aug 8 with 2478 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 17:42 - Aug 8 by textbackup |
Couldn’t just leave it as ‘ either he’s incredibly stupid or bigoted’ 😂 |
Awww bless...defending your political brethren again. |  |
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| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 21:02 - Aug 8 with 2470 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 17:43 - Aug 8 by lowhouseblue |
i couldn't understand how the palestinian flags were relevant to a protest against rioters in british cities. the bbc interviewed someone who seemed to be organising the events opposing the rioters in bristol and all he spoke about was the pro-palestime events held in the city. i don't get the link. |
Injustice maybe! | |
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| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 21:06 - Aug 8 with 2458 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 18:07 - Aug 8 by GlasgowBlue |
The marches last night were to counter the racism on the streets of England, not on the streets of Gaza. There are weekly marches up and down the country every weekend in support of Palestine. To make last night about Palestine is hijacking.
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Completely...lol. | |
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| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 21:10 - Aug 8 with 2445 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 18:37 - Aug 8 by GlasgowBlue |
There is an anti racism march this weekend in Glasgow. I'd like to go with me wife to a) register my disgust at the far right and b) support the refugees and the British minority population who are under attack.
But I can't go as I won't associate myself with groups who will shouting "Globalise the Intifada" and "from the river to the sea". |
Are there any football chants sung by Ipswich supporters that you find problematic? | |
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| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 21:15 - Aug 8 with 2441 views | DJR |
I haven't read every post but my take is as follows.
1. What the two Labour politicians have said is appalling, and people like this shouldn't be in the Labour Party.
2. Palestinian flags do not seem to me to be appropriate at the counter demonstrations.
3. The overwhelming majority of people I saw at the demonstrations were peaceful and did not have Palestinian flags. [Post edited 8 Aug 2024 21:17]
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| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 21:16 - Aug 8 with 2426 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 20:22 - Aug 8 by Clapham_Junction |
What I don't get is how they didn't spot this during the checking process – several other potential candidates were left off the shortlists because of past social media comments (although as you allude to, from memory they almost exclusively seemed to be people on the left of the party).
But even for local elections level they do this scrutiny – I was shortlisted to run as a Labour councillor in a local election and had to provide details of all my social media accounts, presumably so they could be trawled for stuff like once liking a tweet by Caroline Lucas or something equally appalling that would see me expelled. |
I think they got as far as 'worked at BoE'... tick | |
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| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 21:19 - Aug 8 with 2383 views | textbackup |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 19:22 - Aug 8 by redrickstuhaart |
More dishonest nonsense? Really? |
What’s nonsense?
There are literally news stories and other discussions on this thread about the exact incident I mentioned 😂
I think you’re slowly losing the plot boy |  |
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| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 21:55 - Aug 8 with 2323 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 21:19 - Aug 8 by textbackup |
What’s nonsense?
There are literally news stories and other discussions on this thread about the exact incident I mentioned 😂
I think you’re slowly losing the plot boy |
Trying to suggest that anything I said remotely indicated that I agreed with what the councillor said. Rather than addressing what was actually said.
Utterly disingenuous. | | | |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 23:07 - Aug 8 with 2252 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 20:51 - Aug 8 by Pencilpete |
I’m pretty sure we’re on a thread where a Labour MP has shown some very unsavoury views and in the news there’s a Labour Councillor encouraging throat slashing
So please don’t tell me Reform are the only ones full of people like that
What you need to understand is that all sides of the argument have people who say extreme things, do extreme things and behave like animals - at the moment you seem to think it’s all one way and your side behaves impeccable all the time. |
And these people will be kicked out of the Labour Party. For Reform.such stuff is in their DNA. |  | | |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 09:45 - Aug 9 with 2067 views | Pencilpete |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 23:07 - Aug 8 by reusersfreekicks |
And these people will be kicked out of the Labour Party. For Reform.such stuff is in their DNA. |
Again, a very lazy and incorrect narrative - the people who were found to be unsavoury were also kicked out of Reform.
Unfortunately you all think that only Reform attracts these 'characters' but before you jump on that bandwagon i think it's pretty clear that every political party has them, the reason you only think it's Reform is because thats generally all that gets reported but on top of these Labour people, ad the anti semetic issue that was rife within the Party under Corbyn, plus the candidates the Greens had to stand down as well.
Again, with the riots it's clear that the 'far right' took over what was ment to be a protest much in the same way the 'free palestine' groups took over your 'counter protests'
Here's the thing, nobody is going to get anywhere while Labour and it's supporters continue to stick their heads up their own ar$es and belive their own BS that it's ONLY the 'far right' in the wrong. when over the last week people from BOTH sides have gone way too far - Muslims Armed themselves and went out onto the streets and yes whilst i understand they felt threatened in Starmers words there was 'NO EXCUSE' for doing so, the police were there and by arming themselves and also taking to the streets they are putting themselves in the wrong as well. They invaded a pub and beat people up as well but again, you don't hear about any of that because it doesn't fit your narrative.
The 'Free palestine' people also had weapons and were cheering a Labour Counciller for calling to slash peoples throats.
so don't tell me this is all one way - it isn't ! | | | |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 10:04 - Aug 9 with 2049 views | Mullet |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 09:45 - Aug 9 by Pencilpete |
Again, a very lazy and incorrect narrative - the people who were found to be unsavoury were also kicked out of Reform.
Unfortunately you all think that only Reform attracts these 'characters' but before you jump on that bandwagon i think it's pretty clear that every political party has them, the reason you only think it's Reform is because thats generally all that gets reported but on top of these Labour people, ad the anti semetic issue that was rife within the Party under Corbyn, plus the candidates the Greens had to stand down as well.
Again, with the riots it's clear that the 'far right' took over what was ment to be a protest much in the same way the 'free palestine' groups took over your 'counter protests'
Here's the thing, nobody is going to get anywhere while Labour and it's supporters continue to stick their heads up their own ar$es and belive their own BS that it's ONLY the 'far right' in the wrong. when over the last week people from BOTH sides have gone way too far - Muslims Armed themselves and went out onto the streets and yes whilst i understand they felt threatened in Starmers words there was 'NO EXCUSE' for doing so, the police were there and by arming themselves and also taking to the streets they are putting themselves in the wrong as well. They invaded a pub and beat people up as well but again, you don't hear about any of that because it doesn't fit your narrative.
The 'Free palestine' people also had weapons and were cheering a Labour Counciller for calling to slash peoples throats.
so don't tell me this is all one way - it isn't ! |
How many “lefties” have condemned the words of both Labour representatives on this thread alone?
Why has there been suspensions and police involvement if that’s true?
It seems the person consistently putting out false narratives, refusing to listen and broadbrushing people is the one calling it out.
You’ve still declined to explain the whole standing with Nazis is just frustration narrative and therefore ok. |  |
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| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 11:09 - Aug 9 with 1958 views | Pencilpete |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 10:04 - Aug 9 by Mullet |
How many “lefties” have condemned the words of both Labour representatives on this thread alone?
Why has there been suspensions and police involvement if that’s true?
It seems the person consistently putting out false narratives, refusing to listen and broadbrushing people is the one calling it out.
You’ve still declined to explain the whole standing with Nazis is just frustration narrative and therefore ok. |
I think i did address that - i said i think they they took over what was a planned protest in much the same way the Free palestine bridage took over your counter protest
and yes, lefties have condemned the labour representatives and rightly so - in exactly the same way Farage condemned the Reform people with unsavoury views but the big difference is you think once you've condemned it that's fine and its dealt with but when Farage or Reform condemn it thats not enough and you don't accept that.
As i said both sides need to accept they have idiots who go to extremes rather than everyone on the left doing their usual finger pointing and saying it's all the 'far right' and claiming that they are whiter than white then we arn't going to get anywhere.
it's actually ironic you repeatedly referring to them as 'Nazi's" tho when it's actually the far left with the anti-semetic views that the Nazi's held ........ | | | |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 11:54 - Aug 9 with 1882 views | Mullet |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 11:09 - Aug 9 by Pencilpete |
I think i did address that - i said i think they they took over what was a planned protest in much the same way the Free palestine bridage took over your counter protest
and yes, lefties have condemned the labour representatives and rightly so - in exactly the same way Farage condemned the Reform people with unsavoury views but the big difference is you think once you've condemned it that's fine and its dealt with but when Farage or Reform condemn it thats not enough and you don't accept that.
As i said both sides need to accept they have idiots who go to extremes rather than everyone on the left doing their usual finger pointing and saying it's all the 'far right' and claiming that they are whiter than white then we arn't going to get anywhere.
it's actually ironic you repeatedly referring to them as 'Nazi's" tho when it's actually the far left with the anti-semetic views that the Nazi's held ........ |
Except they are riots organised and propagated by neo nazi groups across Britain. This has been reported everywhere
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/03/world/europe/uk-stabbing-riots-far-right-prot
The only side not accepting, condemning or tolerating Nazis seems to be the one you keep defending. Antisemitism isn’t exclusively owned by one side, it’s been a regional issue for millennia. Stalin exploited it just as much as anyone for example, as did various Middle Ages monarchies and city states.
Where have I commented on Farage or reform not being enough? The fact he’s furious that he’s been given responsibility by the media isn’t my doing. Again it’s interesting where you find unfairness and hypocrisy, just as much as where you don’t.
All I’ve seen you do is lash out, refuse to explain yourself and assume we all know what you mean until it’s uncomfortable and then people aren’t listening. Seems you want it both ways as well as both sides.
Wonder why that is? | |
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| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 12:03 - Aug 9 with 1839 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 11:09 - Aug 9 by Pencilpete |
I think i did address that - i said i think they they took over what was a planned protest in much the same way the Free palestine bridage took over your counter protest
and yes, lefties have condemned the labour representatives and rightly so - in exactly the same way Farage condemned the Reform people with unsavoury views but the big difference is you think once you've condemned it that's fine and its dealt with but when Farage or Reform condemn it thats not enough and you don't accept that.
As i said both sides need to accept they have idiots who go to extremes rather than everyone on the left doing their usual finger pointing and saying it's all the 'far right' and claiming that they are whiter than white then we arn't going to get anywhere.
it's actually ironic you repeatedly referring to them as 'Nazi's" tho when it's actually the far left with the anti-semetic views that the Nazi's held ........ |
You conveniently ignore the remarks and the dog whistling by the actual Reform MPs especially Lee Anderson. But hey ho carry on with your they are all the same bandwagon. | | | |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 12:03 - Aug 9 with 1837 views | Pencilpete |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 11:54 - Aug 9 by Mullet |
Except they are riots organised and propagated by neo nazi groups across Britain. This has been reported everywhere
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/03/world/europe/uk-stabbing-riots-far-right-prot
The only side not accepting, condemning or tolerating Nazis seems to be the one you keep defending. Antisemitism isn’t exclusively owned by one side, it’s been a regional issue for millennia. Stalin exploited it just as much as anyone for example, as did various Middle Ages monarchies and city states.
Where have I commented on Farage or reform not being enough? The fact he’s furious that he’s been given responsibility by the media isn’t my doing. Again it’s interesting where you find unfairness and hypocrisy, just as much as where you don’t.
All I’ve seen you do is lash out, refuse to explain yourself and assume we all know what you mean until it’s uncomfortable and then people aren’t listening. Seems you want it both ways as well as both sides.
Wonder why that is? |
I thought referring to them several times as idiots with unsavoury views was pretty self explanatory but obviously not !
Re: Farage - i didn't mean you personally, i ment the very left wing mainstream media we have in this country - Farage went on question time before the election in a half hour slot and spent 20 minutes of it having to repeatedly say he wasn't a racist - this was after he'd condemned the people and removed them from the party .... i doubt Starmer will have those issues.
also, there is no 'lashing out' all and if you don't think i'm explaining myself then you clearly arn't listening because i've done nothing but explain myself but i'll do it again ....
The people on the 'far right' who went out and did the things they did - they are wrong, they are idiots and i completely and utterly condemn what they did BUT the 'other side' has also shown it has people with extreme views who have done and said unsavoury things as well and until BOTH sides admit they have these people and actually sit down and discuss the issues such as immigration then no progress on stopping it is going to be made. | | | |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 12:11 - Aug 9 with 1791 views | jayessess |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 12:03 - Aug 9 by Pencilpete |
I thought referring to them several times as idiots with unsavoury views was pretty self explanatory but obviously not !
Re: Farage - i didn't mean you personally, i ment the very left wing mainstream media we have in this country - Farage went on question time before the election in a half hour slot and spent 20 minutes of it having to repeatedly say he wasn't a racist - this was after he'd condemned the people and removed them from the party .... i doubt Starmer will have those issues.
also, there is no 'lashing out' all and if you don't think i'm explaining myself then you clearly arn't listening because i've done nothing but explain myself but i'll do it again ....
The people on the 'far right' who went out and did the things they did - they are wrong, they are idiots and i completely and utterly condemn what they did BUT the 'other side' has also shown it has people with extreme views who have done and said unsavoury things as well and until BOTH sides admit they have these people and actually sit down and discuss the issues such as immigration then no progress on stopping it is going to be made. |
I think a good honest, starting point for that conversation is acknowledging that there's a fundamental difference in intent between a "immigrants out/mass deportations/immigrants are murderous criminals" mobilisation and a "stop people attacking racial minorities, burning down hostels, libraries and mosques" mobilisation, that can't be handwaved away by saying both feature individuals with extreme views. |  |
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| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 12:29 - Aug 9 with 1760 views | leitrimblue |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 12:03 - Aug 9 by Pencilpete |
I thought referring to them several times as idiots with unsavoury views was pretty self explanatory but obviously not !
Re: Farage - i didn't mean you personally, i ment the very left wing mainstream media we have in this country - Farage went on question time before the election in a half hour slot and spent 20 minutes of it having to repeatedly say he wasn't a racist - this was after he'd condemned the people and removed them from the party .... i doubt Starmer will have those issues.
also, there is no 'lashing out' all and if you don't think i'm explaining myself then you clearly arn't listening because i've done nothing but explain myself but i'll do it again ....
The people on the 'far right' who went out and did the things they did - they are wrong, they are idiots and i completely and utterly condemn what they did BUT the 'other side' has also shown it has people with extreme views who have done and said unsavoury things as well and until BOTH sides admit they have these people and actually sit down and discuss the issues such as immigration then no progress on stopping it is going to be made. |
That's a supreme post.
Not sure which is my favourite part. I like the bit about 'the very left wing mainstream media'.  That's a very good line.
Though I guess the best bit is where you have witnessed the far right setting alight to hotels housing women and children, mosques attacked, people of colour attacked in the streets, cars being stopped in the streets while rednecks demand to know 'are you white and English' and you still
think that the actions of 'both sides' were just as bad.
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| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 12:41 - Aug 9 with 1716 views | lowhouseblue |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 12:29 - Aug 9 by leitrimblue |
That's a supreme post.
Not sure which is my favourite part. I like the bit about 'the very left wing mainstream media'. That's a very good line.
Though I guess the best bit is where you have witnessed the far right setting alight to hotels housing women and children, mosques attacked, people of colour attacked in the streets, cars being stopped in the streets while rednecks demand to know 'are you white and English' and you still
think that the actions of 'both sides' were just as bad.
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he doesn't say 'just as bad' though does he?
he says the left have people with 'extreme views who have done and said unsavoury things'. i think someone inciting a crowd to slit people's throats probably gets there, don't you? |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 12:48 - Aug 9 with 1680 views | leitrimblue |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 12:41 - Aug 9 by lowhouseblue |
he doesn't say 'just as bad' though does he?
he says the left have people with 'extreme views who have done and said unsavoury things'. i think someone inciting a crowd to slit people's throats probably gets there, don't you? |
So after witnessing what we have this week the bit that stands out for you wasn't the attempt to burn women and children alive in a their hotels or attacking mosques or even stopping cars at crossroads and demanding to know the ethnicity of the drivers? It was the comments of some brain dead councillor? | | | |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 12:52 - Aug 9 with 1652 views | lowhouseblue |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 12:48 - Aug 9 by leitrimblue |
So after witnessing what we have this week the bit that stands out for you wasn't the attempt to burn women and children alive in a their hotels or attacking mosques or even stopping cars at crossroads and demanding to know the ethnicity of the drivers? It was the comments of some brain dead councillor? |
where did i say that bit stands out for me? i have posted about the racist thugs repeatedly - i've posted once about someone inciting a crowd to slit people's throats. remarkably, i can feel dismayed by more than one thing at once. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 13:33 - Aug 9 with 1551 views | Pencilpete |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 12:48 - Aug 9 by leitrimblue |
So after witnessing what we have this week the bit that stands out for you wasn't the attempt to burn women and children alive in a their hotels or attacking mosques or even stopping cars at crossroads and demanding to know the ethnicity of the drivers? It was the comments of some brain dead councillor? |
This is the problem while you're pointing and going "you're worse than us" nothing is getting resolved is it ? BOTH sides had people who said and did deplorable things and i'm sure that Labour councillor doesn't represent your views any more than the violent and idiotic yobs represent mine.
Jayessess - i don't think any of the incidents that have been witnessed should just be handwaved away, i hope anyone who has attacked mosques and hotels is put away for a very long time, but there is a perception that ANYONE who has any concern about immigration is a far right racist and that simply isn't true.
What we need is for Starmer to give straight answers to straight questions
- what will he do to bring unsustainable numbers down ?
- what will he do about the small boats ?
- what will he do about people who have their applications rejected, where will they go if they can't be deported back to their home lands ?
as i've said before i don't and i'm sure many other people who 'sit on the right' don't think all immigrants are rapists, thugs and trouble makers but there are some and what i want is for the ones who are genuine refugees and asylum seekers to be processed and put into the system at a sensible level, not at 700,000 a year but more like 100,000 and integrated into society i also want the boat loads of people who are throwing passports and phones into the channel to be rejected because you have to ask yourself why they're doing that - the only possible reason is because they don't want to be identified.
We are an island at the end of the day and immigration at 700,000 a year is simply not sustainable, we don't have the housing, the infrastructure, the NHS or anything that can support that kind of number. | | | |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 14:11 - Aug 9 with 1441 views | jayessess |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 13:33 - Aug 9 by Pencilpete |
This is the problem while you're pointing and going "you're worse than us" nothing is getting resolved is it ? BOTH sides had people who said and did deplorable things and i'm sure that Labour councillor doesn't represent your views any more than the violent and idiotic yobs represent mine.
Jayessess - i don't think any of the incidents that have been witnessed should just be handwaved away, i hope anyone who has attacked mosques and hotels is put away for a very long time, but there is a perception that ANYONE who has any concern about immigration is a far right racist and that simply isn't true.
What we need is for Starmer to give straight answers to straight questions
- what will he do to bring unsustainable numbers down ?
- what will he do about the small boats ?
- what will he do about people who have their applications rejected, where will they go if they can't be deported back to their home lands ?
as i've said before i don't and i'm sure many other people who 'sit on the right' don't think all immigrants are rapists, thugs and trouble makers but there are some and what i want is for the ones who are genuine refugees and asylum seekers to be processed and put into the system at a sensible level, not at 700,000 a year but more like 100,000 and integrated into society i also want the boat loads of people who are throwing passports and phones into the channel to be rejected because you have to ask yourself why they're doing that - the only possible reason is because they don't want to be identified.
We are an island at the end of the day and immigration at 700,000 a year is simply not sustainable, we don't have the housing, the infrastructure, the NHS or anything that can support that kind of number. |
Have I got great news for you!
There were only 67,000 asylum applications last year, concerning 84,000 individuals. Concern over then? | |
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