| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle 16:15 - Aug 8 with 22267 views | baxterbasics |
Oh dear indeed. No wonder these hypocrites want to censor social media - they need to cover their tracks!
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| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 14:35 - Aug 9 with 2239 views | Pencilpete |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 14:11 - Aug 9 by jayessess |
Have I got great news for you!
There were only 67,000 asylum applications last year, concerning 84,000 individuals. Concern over then? |
We both know thats cr@p because the fantastic former Tory government stopped processing claims so theres several hundred thousand people in hotels that haven't been processed, and no - before you say it i'm not saying thats their fault at all but if every person who had come in had been allowed to put in a claim then the actual number of applications would be ten times that easily.
it does re-emphisise a point i made earlier tho, the Tories were and still are effing useless and for people like me who do 'sit on the right' it's very difficult at elections because who the hell do you vote for ? The conservatives were unelectable, I'm not naturally a Labour supporter and Reform while i agree with alot of what they say i find their solutions too extreme ..... as i said at the time i actually voted Labour because i hoped they would deal with peoples concerns without having to take things to extremes but again for people like me if Labour don't get a grip on the immigration numbers, if they do take us back into closer ties with Europe and ignore the referendum result then next time i WILL vote for Farage because i'm literally exhausted all other avenues |  | | |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 14:38 - Aug 9 with 2218 views | textbackup |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 21:55 - Aug 8 by redrickstuhaart |
Trying to suggest that anything I said remotely indicated that I agreed with what the councillor said. Rather than addressing what was actually said.
Utterly disingenuous. |
Cheer up mate, nearly Xmas |  |
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| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 14:44 - Aug 9 with 2199 views | eireblue |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 14:35 - Aug 9 by Pencilpete |
We both know thats cr@p because the fantastic former Tory government stopped processing claims so theres several hundred thousand people in hotels that haven't been processed, and no - before you say it i'm not saying thats their fault at all but if every person who had come in had been allowed to put in a claim then the actual number of applications would be ten times that easily.
it does re-emphisise a point i made earlier tho, the Tories were and still are effing useless and for people like me who do 'sit on the right' it's very difficult at elections because who the hell do you vote for ? The conservatives were unelectable, I'm not naturally a Labour supporter and Reform while i agree with alot of what they say i find their solutions too extreme ..... as i said at the time i actually voted Labour because i hoped they would deal with peoples concerns without having to take things to extremes but again for people like me if Labour don't get a grip on the immigration numbers, if they do take us back into closer ties with Europe and ignore the referendum result then next time i WILL vote for Farage because i'm literally exhausted all other avenues |
Where are you getting the figure for several hundred thousand people in hotels? |  | | |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 15:01 - Aug 9 with 2165 views | Pencilpete |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 14:44 - Aug 9 by eireblue |
Where are you getting the figure for several hundred thousand people in hotels? |
The number of people that came in last year was around the 700,000 mark - i don't know exactly where each and every one of them is i'm afraid.
However, the relevance of that particular comment to my overall point isn't that great tho is it ?
The conservatives stopped accepting or processing application - that is FACT !
therefore the number of applications made against the actual number of people is not going to show an accurate picture is it ? | | | |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 15:18 - Aug 9 with 2135 views | eireblue |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 15:01 - Aug 9 by Pencilpete |
The number of people that came in last year was around the 700,000 mark - i don't know exactly where each and every one of them is i'm afraid.
However, the relevance of that particular comment to my overall point isn't that great tho is it ?
The conservatives stopped accepting or processing application - that is FACT !
therefore the number of applications made against the actual number of people is not going to show an accurate picture is it ? |
The numbers are known, and easy to find.
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-endi
The relevance to your point is, first you should establish all the relevant facts, and then form opinions.
There are not several hundreds of thousands of people in hotels that haven’t been processed. | | | |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 15:26 - Aug 9 with 2088 views | lowhouseblue |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 15:01 - Aug 9 by Pencilpete |
The number of people that came in last year was around the 700,000 mark - i don't know exactly where each and every one of them is i'm afraid.
However, the relevance of that particular comment to my overall point isn't that great tho is it ?
The conservatives stopped accepting or processing application - that is FACT !
therefore the number of applications made against the actual number of people is not going to show an accurate picture is it ? |
over the last 3 years net migration (immigration minus emigration) has averaged around a little under 700,000 annually. immigration alone is up at around 1,000,000 annually over those 3 years. asylum seekers / boat arrivals / illegal migration is a very small proportion of that total. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 16:02 - Aug 9 with 2024 views | jayessess |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 14:35 - Aug 9 by Pencilpete |
We both know thats cr@p because the fantastic former Tory government stopped processing claims so theres several hundred thousand people in hotels that haven't been processed, and no - before you say it i'm not saying thats their fault at all but if every person who had come in had been allowed to put in a claim then the actual number of applications would be ten times that easily.
it does re-emphisise a point i made earlier tho, the Tories were and still are effing useless and for people like me who do 'sit on the right' it's very difficult at elections because who the hell do you vote for ? The conservatives were unelectable, I'm not naturally a Labour supporter and Reform while i agree with alot of what they say i find their solutions too extreme ..... as i said at the time i actually voted Labour because i hoped they would deal with peoples concerns without having to take things to extremes but again for people like me if Labour don't get a grip on the immigration numbers, if they do take us back into closer ties with Europe and ignore the referendum result then next time i WILL vote for Farage because i'm literally exhausted all other avenues |
700k is the figure for net migration. Net migration is mostly comprised of people entering the country legally with a visa, usually a work visa (43%) or study visa (40%), sometimes as part of family reunification (6%), sometimes on special visas issued to people fleeing Ukraine or Hong Kong.
Asylum applications are registered statistically by the Office of National Statistics when applicants land and request asylum, not when they are processed, so the processing speed doesn't affect that particular statistic.
Part of the reason why it's so easy for the kind of scenes we've seen in Southport and elsewhere to be downstream from more mainstream immigration-concern sentiment is precisely the willingness of political parties and newspapers to conflate and obfuscate different aspects of immigration. One minute the terror is refugees, next it's net migration numbers, then it's long-term demographic trends and cultural change, other times it's migrants in the criminal justice system. The end result is people burning down hostels whilst chanting the Conservative Party's election slogans. [Post edited 9 Aug 2024 16:18]
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| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 17:06 - Aug 9 with 1953 views | Pencilpete |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 16:02 - Aug 9 by jayessess |
700k is the figure for net migration. Net migration is mostly comprised of people entering the country legally with a visa, usually a work visa (43%) or study visa (40%), sometimes as part of family reunification (6%), sometimes on special visas issued to people fleeing Ukraine or Hong Kong.
Asylum applications are registered statistically by the Office of National Statistics when applicants land and request asylum, not when they are processed, so the processing speed doesn't affect that particular statistic.
Part of the reason why it's so easy for the kind of scenes we've seen in Southport and elsewhere to be downstream from more mainstream immigration-concern sentiment is precisely the willingness of political parties and newspapers to conflate and obfuscate different aspects of immigration. One minute the terror is refugees, next it's net migration numbers, then it's long-term demographic trends and cultural change, other times it's migrants in the criminal justice system. The end result is people burning down hostels whilst chanting the Conservative Party's election slogans. [Post edited 9 Aug 2024 16:18]
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Look, the number is 700,000 and wether they came on a visa or not, wether they arrived by plane, boat or bl00dy unicorn or they dig a sodding tunnel.
The number is too high and is unsustainable- simple as that | | | |
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| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 17:30 - Aug 9 with 1891 views | eireblue |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 17:06 - Aug 9 by Pencilpete |
Look, the number is 700,000 and wether they came on a visa or not, wether they arrived by plane, boat or bl00dy unicorn or they dig a sodding tunnel.
The number is too high and is unsustainable- simple as that |
Initially you said around
“ what i want is for the ones who are genuine refugees and asylum seekers to be processed and put into the system at a sensible level, not at 700,000 a year but more like 100,000”
So how many people would you think reasonable in other categories, e.g. students paying into university, and skilled workers contributing to the economy?
I wouldn’t expect you to come up with a number, but what would say are the principles you would accept for allowing people to migrate to the U.K.
Anyhoo, hopefully you are now re-assured that there are not several hundred thousand asylum seekers being put up in hotels. So no need to get concerned about that.
You just need to think about how many people that will be paying into the country via work or student visas you would be happy about. | | | |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 17:42 - Aug 9 with 1860 views | Pencilpete |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 17:30 - Aug 9 by eireblue |
Initially you said around
“ what i want is for the ones who are genuine refugees and asylum seekers to be processed and put into the system at a sensible level, not at 700,000 a year but more like 100,000”
So how many people would you think reasonable in other categories, e.g. students paying into university, and skilled workers contributing to the economy?
I wouldn’t expect you to come up with a number, but what would say are the principles you would accept for allowing people to migrate to the U.K.
Anyhoo, hopefully you are now re-assured that there are not several hundred thousand asylum seekers being put up in hotels. So no need to get concerned about that.
You just need to think about how many people that will be paying into the country via work or student visas you would be happy about. |
My OPINION is that the nett total number should be 100,000 how that number is distributed between work / study visas, asylum seekers etc is down to those who make the rules. | | | |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 18:40 - Aug 9 with 1810 views | eireblue |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 17:42 - Aug 9 by Pencilpete |
My OPINION is that the nett total number should be 100,000 how that number is distributed between work / study visas, asylum seekers etc is down to those who make the rules. |
Well that’s fine, so you wouldn’t be foolish enough to follow the Reform party since they have crazy ideas, that would hurt U.K. tax payers.
Now do you think that number of 100,000 should be influenced by birth rate, death rate, demographics of an aging population?
Or an across the board, 100k maximum number, and if U.K. tax payer needs to pay more in pensions, education etc. and have some shortages in some labour markets sometimes, that is a fair trade off? | | | |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 19:54 - Aug 9 with 1750 views | Pencilpete |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 18:40 - Aug 9 by eireblue |
Well that’s fine, so you wouldn’t be foolish enough to follow the Reform party since they have crazy ideas, that would hurt U.K. tax payers.
Now do you think that number of 100,000 should be influenced by birth rate, death rate, demographics of an aging population?
Or an across the board, 100k maximum number, and if U.K. tax payer needs to pay more in pensions, education etc. and have some shortages in some labour markets sometimes, that is a fair trade off? |
If Starmer invests in education as he says he wants to then we should be able (in time) to train our own doctors, teachers, nurses etc and not be so reliant on immigrants to fill those roles, I think we should be investing in our youngsters and complimenting them with immigrants.
And yes, I get that won’t happen overnight but neither will the drop in immigration l, in my ideal world one should go up as the other comes down over the next 10 years.
I think 100,000 is a decent number when you think before 1997 we got by on half that | | | |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 19:58 - Aug 9 with 1736 views | lowhouseblue |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 19:54 - Aug 9 by Pencilpete |
If Starmer invests in education as he says he wants to then we should be able (in time) to train our own doctors, teachers, nurses etc and not be so reliant on immigrants to fill those roles, I think we should be investing in our youngsters and complimenting them with immigrants.
And yes, I get that won’t happen overnight but neither will the drop in immigration l, in my ideal world one should go up as the other comes down over the next 10 years.
I think 100,000 is a decent number when you think before 1997 we got by on half that |
i think 100,000 net migration would have been unprecedented any time pre about 1998. so the one thing you can't be accused of is being anti-immigration. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 19:59 - Aug 9 with 1733 views | monkeymagic |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 19:54 - Aug 9 by Pencilpete |
If Starmer invests in education as he says he wants to then we should be able (in time) to train our own doctors, teachers, nurses etc and not be so reliant on immigrants to fill those roles, I think we should be investing in our youngsters and complimenting them with immigrants.
And yes, I get that won’t happen overnight but neither will the drop in immigration l, in my ideal world one should go up as the other comes down over the next 10 years.
I think 100,000 is a decent number when you think before 1997 we got by on half that |
I can somewhat understand the argument that net migration numbers are on the high side. I do however find it incredible that the debate is so focused on illegal immigration, particularly those poor souls risking their lives on a boat. You do not load your family onto a dangerously over crowded I’ll equipped boat (or go solo on such a vessel) unless you are desperate. They deserve help and a warm welcome if anything. | | | |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 20:36 - Aug 9 with 1684 views | Pencilpete |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 19:59 - Aug 9 by monkeymagic |
I can somewhat understand the argument that net migration numbers are on the high side. I do however find it incredible that the debate is so focused on illegal immigration, particularly those poor souls risking their lives on a boat. You do not load your family onto a dangerously over crowded I’ll equipped boat (or go solo on such a vessel) unless you are desperate. They deserve help and a warm welcome if anything. |
I’ve said on many a thread before during and after the election that SOME immigration is a good thing, I don’t want to live in a country with a closed door to the outside.
I just think the current numbers are simply not sustainable and I want a system where we do accept a decent number of migrants but where it isn’t a free for all like it is at the moment.
I think the number I gave 100,000 is a decent and fair number and I think the powers that be should decide how many are refugees, how many are students, how many come on work visas.
And yes I want Starmer to get a grip of the current numbers because being honest (and I think there are a lot of a similar mindset) if I had to pick either a free for all or not at all - I’d pick not at all | | | |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 20:48 - Aug 9 with 1647 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 11:09 - Aug 9 by Pencilpete |
I think i did address that - i said i think they they took over what was a planned protest in much the same way the Free palestine bridage took over your counter protest
and yes, lefties have condemned the labour representatives and rightly so - in exactly the same way Farage condemned the Reform people with unsavoury views but the big difference is you think once you've condemned it that's fine and its dealt with but when Farage or Reform condemn it thats not enough and you don't accept that.
As i said both sides need to accept they have idiots who go to extremes rather than everyone on the left doing their usual finger pointing and saying it's all the 'far right' and claiming that they are whiter than white then we arn't going to get anywhere.
it's actually ironic you repeatedly referring to them as 'Nazi's" tho when it's actually the far left with the anti-semetic views that the Nazi's held ........ |
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| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 13:16 - Aug 10 with 1489 views | DinDjarin |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 19:30 - Aug 8 by Pencilpete |
See the other protests. - the ones you oppose are full of “far right racists” because some of them caused trouble
But the protests you do support trouble is brushed off because “no-one will behave impeccably”
You can turn the narrative any way you want can’t you ?? |
Largely peaceful I think is the term used |  | | |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 13:20 - Aug 10 with 1456 views | DinDjarin |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 20:04 - Aug 8 by Mullet |
So if you got a rally…
Organised by the far right
Shout racist things
Pretend the death of small girls is an excuse to abuse people
Steal
Set fire to a hotel
Commit numerous crimes Attempted murder down to petty violence
You’re not Far right but somewhere from centre right to far right? That’s what upsets you? You lot can be as frustrated as you want, but if you decide that misinformation and lies is a reason to hang around with Nazis, act like Nazis, say and do nazi things. Guess what decent people who don’t do that might think? |
Nothing was organised by the far right, it was locals (all those arrested were local) who used it as an excuse to be dickheads and hopefully they all get rounded up.
Most of the youth and there were a lot of youth causing havoc probably do not even know what the term far right means.
The term far right is being thrown around too easily and causing a lot of the population to be labelled as such when they are not and the media is only fanning the flames.
There were no 'far right' protests planned the other night so why did the mainstream say there were over 100 planned? A load of made up bollox and only makes things worse. | | | |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 13:22 - Aug 10 with 1442 views | GeoffSentence |
Etonian, she mean Etonian ;) |  |
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| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 14:06 - Aug 10 with 1381 views | leitrimblue |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 13:20 - Aug 10 by DinDjarin |
Nothing was organised by the far right, it was locals (all those arrested were local) who used it as an excuse to be dickheads and hopefully they all get rounded up.
Most of the youth and there were a lot of youth causing havoc probably do not even know what the term far right means.
The term far right is being thrown around too easily and causing a lot of the population to be labelled as such when they are not and the media is only fanning the flames.
There were no 'far right' protests planned the other night so why did the mainstream say there were over 100 planned? A load of made up bollox and only makes things worse. |
Exactly, these gatherings ( it's not fair to call um riots) had absolutely nothing to do with the innocent far right.
This is just the extreme far left media that controls the UK labelling good patriots like our Tommy and and our working class hero Nige as far right..
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| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 14:11 - Aug 10 with 1368 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 13:20 - Aug 10 by DinDjarin |
Nothing was organised by the far right, it was locals (all those arrested were local) who used it as an excuse to be dickheads and hopefully they all get rounded up.
Most of the youth and there were a lot of youth causing havoc probably do not even know what the term far right means.
The term far right is being thrown around too easily and causing a lot of the population to be labelled as such when they are not and the media is only fanning the flames.
There were no 'far right' protests planned the other night so why did the mainstream say there were over 100 planned? A load of made up bollox and only makes things worse. |
Planned on social media to trick and divert police.
Rest of what you say is mostly nonsense.
Southport thugs were largely not from Southport.
But hey keep rationalising if that's your thing |  | | |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 18:16 - Aug 10 with 1294 views | DinDjarin |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 14:11 - Aug 10 by reusersfreekicks |
Planned on social media to trick and divert police.
Rest of what you say is mostly nonsense.
Southport thugs were largely not from Southport.
But hey keep rationalising if that's your thing |
Divert police from where? Noone turned up anywhere.
Southport thugs were from Kirkdale, Liverpool and the local surrounding area whereas we are led to believe coach loads are being ferried in from far and wide.
The whole thing is disgraceful and I have said many times anyone rioting should be locked up for a long time which is what is happening. The media however will continue to fuel the fire which is also disgraceful.
Not checked the news today but am betting there has been no trouble anywhere. | | | |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 18:31 - Aug 10 with 1259 views | Mullet |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 18:16 - Aug 10 by DinDjarin |
Divert police from where? Noone turned up anywhere.
Southport thugs were from Kirkdale, Liverpool and the local surrounding area whereas we are led to believe coach loads are being ferried in from far and wide.
The whole thing is disgraceful and I have said many times anyone rioting should be locked up for a long time which is what is happening. The media however will continue to fuel the fire which is also disgraceful.
Not checked the news today but am betting there has been no trouble anywhere. |
Nazi tattoo fella was from Stoke. There had been concerted efforts to mobilise by the Far Right, one of the leaders was the Welsh leader of the Neo Nazis, Patriotic Alternative were in Southport too.
A lot of the arrests are obviously going to be idiots smashing up their own towns and looting, but likewise in Manchester you’ve had people arrested from the outer reaches of the Greater Manchester transport networks, alongside those further afield.
Downplaying these Nazis and their attempts to spread lies, bulk up numbers etc is incredibly dishonest. It’s just thankful they are few and most decent people want nothing to do with them.
As for the hoaxes the other night, that was again traced back to Far Right and Neo nazi forums and telegram groups. Thank god it was either a hoax or they were too gutless to go knowing they were going to get arrested.
Bristol painted itself in a fantastic light by outnumbering the tiny group that did muster. |  |
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| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 19:22 - Aug 10 with 1185 views | victorywilhappen |
https://news.err.ee/1609421344/british-mp-apologizes-over-offensive-tweet-referr
Folks in Estonia that i have chatted about this all seem to think they know the 'retards' or someone who knows at least one..it's a small country. And no one wants them in their apartment...
Thanks, Musk and X for trawling.
As AD Rock from the Beastie Boys said " i'd rather be a hypocrite than the man I was 20 years ago" ( in reference to the song 'Girls")
Leave and de-platform yourself from X today! [Post edited 10 Aug 2024 19:29]
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| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 22:35 - Aug 10 with 1057 views | bournemouthblue |
| Lauren Edwards MP: chortle on 19:54 - Aug 9 by Pencilpete |
If Starmer invests in education as he says he wants to then we should be able (in time) to train our own doctors, teachers, nurses etc and not be so reliant on immigrants to fill those roles, I think we should be investing in our youngsters and complimenting them with immigrants.
And yes, I get that won’t happen overnight but neither will the drop in immigration l, in my ideal world one should go up as the other comes down over the next 10 years.
I think 100,000 is a decent number when you think before 1997 we got by on half that |
The main reason immigration would have been so low under the Tories prior to Blair is because no immigrant in their right mind would want to come to the UK
We had 3 - 4 million people unemployed |  |
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