| Broja out for seven weeks 10:38 - Aug 27 with 8495 views | pointofblue |
Was nervous before, but now hate the deal. We need someone in now, with Hirst being out. I mentioned this elsewhere but this really reminds me of the Camara transfer and look what happened there. I really hope we move on. |  |
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| Broja out for seven weeks on 10:39 - Aug 27 with 5346 views | bobbyramsey |
Agree, and Ahadme. What is it with us signing injured players?? [Post edited 27 Aug 2024 10:40]
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| Broja out for seven weeks on 10:41 - Aug 27 with 5286 views | gordon |
Sounds as though Chelsea didn't know about the injury, as well, which is crazy. |  | | |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 10:41 - Aug 27 with 5259 views | dirtyboy |
If that's correct, then I tend to agree.
Feel like we need someone in the door now, not in two months where we could likely see Hirst back in the fold at the same time, doesn't seem to make sense.
That said....we're a bit further along in all areas when making decisions compared to Camara. |  | | |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 10:46 - Aug 27 with 5155 views | portmanking |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 10:41 - Aug 27 by gordon |
Sounds as though Chelsea didn't know about the injury, as well, which is crazy. |
Yup, that's the alarming aspect of the whole saga. They were oblivious to it (thought we were pulling a fast one initially).
These big clubs have a duty of care but how many of them meet their full obligations? | | | |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 10:47 - Aug 27 with 5118 views | pointofblue |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 10:41 - Aug 27 by dirtyboy |
If that's correct, then I tend to agree.
Feel like we need someone in the door now, not in two months where we could likely see Hirst back in the fold at the same time, doesn't seem to make sense.
That said....we're a bit further along in all areas when making decisions compared to Camara. |
It's in Phil's article on the current situation.
 McKenna: Broja Discussions Ongoing 27th Aug 2024 10:33Town boss Kieran McKenna has confirmed that discussions are continuing regarding the loan signing of Chelsea striker Armando Broja.  38
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| Broja out for seven weeks on 10:47 - Aug 27 with 5108 views | ibbleobble |
Potentially not available until after the international break in October then, which means he'll mis 5-games we have to be looking at taking 8 points + from. | | | |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 10:47 - Aug 27 with 5099 views | mrshallisfit |
If McK thinks Broja is worth it then I guess you put Ogbene on the right (no Burns for awhile) and Delap up top. Then in the month after the international break you have Burns and Broja ready to go). | | | |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 10:49 - Aug 27 with 5035 views | ParisBlue |
Takes us to the Everton game, so would miss 5 games.
This has a feel it might get done on Friday unless someone more desperate than us come in (Everton?). Chelsea are desperate to get rid on a permanent, but if nobody is willing then a loan might be back on, presumably without the obligation to buy. |  |
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| Broja out for seven weeks on 10:50 - Aug 27 with 4989 views | Ryorry |
Couldn’t agree more. Seems crazy we’re still even considering him. Maybe it’s just out of respect to the player so he can get the full report and more medical advice first, as well as a chance to talk with his club.
But as it is, this has ‘please NO’ screaming out at me! |  |
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| Broja out for seven weeks on 10:51 - Aug 27 with 4931 views | JammyDodgerrr |
If it's out for seven weeks, i suspect we pull out of the deal.
Only way i can see it happening is we pay nothing for that short term injury and we genuinely believe there is nothing out there that is better, and he's worth waiting for. We might just not have the resource to bring in a striker of his calibre with a fee, unless we can strike a similar loan with someone else. |  |
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| Broja out for seven weeks on 10:53 - Aug 27 with 4838 views | Bellevue_Blue |
I tend to agree, we would be completely f****** if Delap goes down.
With Hirst still 5 weeks away I'm not massively comfortable with AAH leading the line even as a substitute.
The question really is who else? And who can we afford as there is a reason this is a loan to buy. A developmental player is out of the question as we need an immediate contributor.
Fofana from Chelsea, one of the bigger guns from the Championship? You'd have thought a player from abroad would take weeks to get up to speed.
It's not necessarily an easy position to navigate. | | | |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 10:53 - Aug 27 with 4816 views | BloomBlue |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 10:47 - Aug 27 by pointofblue |
It's in Phil's article on the current situation.
McKenna: Broja Discussions Ongoing 27th Aug 2024 10:33Town boss Kieran McKenna has confirmed that discussions are continuing regarding the loan signing of Chelsea striker Armando Broja. 38
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Strange that KM is talking about Broja, I thought he had an unwritten rule to never to talk about players who aren't contracted to the club? |  | | |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 10:53 - Aug 27 with 4816 views | portmanking |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 10:51 - Aug 27 by JammyDodgerrr |
If it's out for seven weeks, i suspect we pull out of the deal.
Only way i can see it happening is we pay nothing for that short term injury and we genuinely believe there is nothing out there that is better, and he's worth waiting for. We might just not have the resource to bring in a striker of his calibre with a fee, unless we can strike a similar loan with someone else. |
It's seven weeks before he's even fit for the grass. So we're probably looking end of Oct, realistically. | | | |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 10:54 - Aug 27 with 4794 views | itfcjoe |
It's only 5 games, and this is nothing like Camara
Camara only found out about the interest on deadline day and we signed him that day, we've been running through medical bits with Broja for over a week now and giving him the most thorough examination you can do.
With Camara it was seemingly the equivalent of cupping his balls and asking him to cough. |  |
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| Broja out for seven weeks on 10:56 - Aug 27 with 4709 views | gordon |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 10:47 - Aug 27 by ibbleobble |
Potentially not available until after the international break in October then, which means he'll mis 5-games we have to be looking at taking 8 points + from. |
If it's something to do with his Achilles Tendon then it's not straightforward to estimate a recovery time either - tendons don't heal well, and what at first can seem an innocuous injury can become very difficult. I think one of Tom Adeyemi's problems was diagnosed initially as a sore heel needing a week or two of rest from a hard pitch for an early season friendly, and we didn't see him again that season. | | | |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 10:56 - Aug 27 with 4690 views | Guthrum |
Tho, on the other hand, the season lasts beyond the next seven weeks. One would presume he's being signed for long-term quality, not just immediate cover.
Camara and Broja are entirely separate cases, what happened in one gives no indication of how the other will go.
That having been said, all this does seem an awkward and uneccessary complication when we want to get our new players involved asap, bedding into the team and system. I suppose it depends what realistic and achievable alternatives there might be (in the limited time remaining), plus how much McKenna wants that specific player. |  |
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| Broja out for seven weeks on 10:59 - Aug 27 with 4599 views | portmanking |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 10:54 - Aug 27 by itfcjoe |
It's only 5 games, and this is nothing like Camara
Camara only found out about the interest on deadline day and we signed him that day, we've been running through medical bits with Broja for over a week now and giving him the most thorough examination you can do.
With Camara it was seemingly the equivalent of cupping his balls and asking him to cough. |
Nothing like Camara, but we'd be missing out on a main striker for probably the entirety of October which, by the looks of the fixture list, has the potential to be our most fruitful month of the season IMO.
Get your #9 in now, up to speed through international break and September and the team would be ready to fly by October. | | | |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 10:59 - Aug 27 with 4591 views | cressi |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 10:54 - Aug 27 by itfcjoe |
It's only 5 games, and this is nothing like Camara
Camara only found out about the interest on deadline day and we signed him that day, we've been running through medical bits with Broja for over a week now and giving him the most thorough examination you can do.
With Camara it was seemingly the equivalent of cupping his balls and asking him to cough. |
But it's not 5 games it will take another 5 weeks to get up to speed we need players ready now not November when we could be adrift wakey wakey time. | | | |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 11:00 - Aug 27 with 4563 views | homer_123 |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 10:41 - Aug 27 by dirtyboy |
If that's correct, then I tend to agree.
Feel like we need someone in the door now, not in two months where we could likely see Hirst back in the fold at the same time, doesn't seem to make sense.
That said....we're a bit further along in all areas when making decisions compared to Camara. |
Bear in mind, that even if we bring someone in - KM rarely starts them straight away. He generally wants them to have a number of training sessions with the group and get used to how we play before playing. |  |
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| Broja out for seven weeks on 11:01 - Aug 27 with 4515 views | portmanking |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 11:00 - Aug 27 by homer_123 |
Bear in mind, that even if we bring someone in - KM rarely starts them straight away. He generally wants them to have a number of training sessions with the group and get used to how we play before playing. |
Correct. So, with Broja unlikely to be fit for the grass until mid Oct, seems unlikely he'll be sufficiently ready/integrated until November, no? | | | |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 11:02 - Aug 27 with 4487 views | pointofblue |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 11:00 - Aug 27 by homer_123 |
Bear in mind, that even if we bring someone in - KM rarely starts them straight away. He generally wants them to have a number of training sessions with the group and get used to how we play before playing. |
So he may be missing closer to three months than seven weeks by the time McKenna feels he is ready to start. | |
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| Broja out for seven weeks on 11:03 - Aug 27 with 4444 views | itfcjoe |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 10:59 - Aug 27 by portmanking |
Nothing like Camara, but we'd be missing out on a main striker for probably the entirety of October which, by the looks of the fixture list, has the potential to be our most fruitful month of the season IMO.
Get your #9 in now, up to speed through international break and September and the team would be ready to fly by October. |
I think that would be the part that would be more Ahadme like to do, i.e. you don't go for main target and just go for someone who is more available and fit and they just aren't the right player.
The fact this is still ongoing shows that Broja is seen as a long way clear of Plan B for this role, because we've spoken to others and yet still haven't pulled the plug on this one as yet | |
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| Broja out for seven weeks on 11:03 - Aug 27 with 4421 views | homer_123 |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 11:02 - Aug 27 by pointofblue |
So he may be missing closer to three months than seven weeks by the time McKenna feels he is ready to start. |
Possibly not though - if he's in the door now - then the ground work and prep is all done by the time he's up to fitness.
He'll have watched, learnt and been educated in our style of play - so when he's fit, he'll know what he's doing. | |
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| Broja out for seven weeks on 11:03 - Aug 27 with 4424 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 10:54 - Aug 27 by itfcjoe |
It's only 5 games, and this is nothing like Camara
Camara only found out about the interest on deadline day and we signed him that day, we've been running through medical bits with Broja for over a week now and giving him the most thorough examination you can do.
With Camara it was seemingly the equivalent of cupping his balls and asking him to cough. |
5 could easily become 7 or 8 with time to get up to match fitness and integrate into our patters of play. By which point we're 25% of the way through our league season.
Given our current situation with having 1 proper #9 who we probably all trust at this level (no disrespect to AAH) then we really need someone who can add value from day 1. |  | | |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 11:04 - Aug 27 with 4383 views | homer_123 |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 11:01 - Aug 27 by portmanking |
Correct. So, with Broja unlikely to be fit for the grass until mid Oct, seems unlikely he'll be sufficiently ready/integrated until November, no? |
No, I don't think so.
If he's in now - he can do the ground work and prep, learn about how we operate and what is required from his role whilst returning to fitness and then, once he's back on the grass, the learning curve for him will be far shorter. | |
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