| Ivan Toney 14:26 - Sep 2 with 11342 views | BlueNomad |
On a reported £400,000 per week after tax. Average crowds are 8,500 so he’s getting that for playing in front of fewer fans than he did when he played for Peterborough. Obscene. |  | | |  |
| Ivan Toney on 15:17 - Sep 2 with 1534 views | bluelagos |
| Ivan Toney on 14:51 - Sep 2 by NthQldITFC |
Why?
What's the point of earning £20m per year rather than £5m per year whilst selling your soul? |
So say he breaks a leg tomorrow and is sitting on a 2 year £5m contract. That £10m after taxes would be worth around £5m. Buy a million pound house and he's got £4m to invest/live on.
£4m at say 5% means he living off 200k a year which is taxable.
With a young family to support and no career as he's done nothing but kick a ball for the past 10 years.
Whereas take the £20m a year and he is set up for a far wealthier retirement. 3 years, come home with £50m in the bank and jobs a good un.
All these number are huge to you and me, but I can see why someone would be tempted, especially as he was late to reach the top and only has say 5 more years to set himself up financially.
Edit. The Saudi sports washing is pretty shameful, but I can see why some will opt for financial security irrespective. [Post edited 2 Sep 2024 15:20]
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| Ivan Toney on 15:19 - Sep 2 with 1529 views | positivity |
| Ivan Toney on 15:15 - Sep 2 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
No time at all for the despots running that country. But who here really has a clear conscience? Many will have gone on holiday and stayed in a hotel in Dubai where indentured migrant workers died building it. Some think they are helping climate change whilst driving an MG which is owned by, and directly funding the Chinese state who are brutalising uhygurs.
Virtually everyone is guilty of hypocrisy in some such way. For me Henderson was worse given his previous advocacy for LGBT community. |
i think the point is, that he has the opportunity to be mega-rich whilst playing at the highest level in a short career or to be mega-mega-rich whilst going to a far lower level.
don't understand why you'd chase the extra dollar at the expense of your ambition |  |
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| Ivan Toney on 15:30 - Sep 2 with 1494 views | Buhrer |
| Ivan Toney on 14:32 - Sep 2 by Blueschev |
What a waste of talent. I really don't understand it, he could still be rich for the rest of his life whilst having a proper career at the top level of his profession. I'd expect the level to be similar to that of Felixstowe & Walton. |
What a waste of talent?!
He's converted a talent for playing football into £400k a week and generational change for his family and lineage.
What a waste. FFS |  | | |
| Ivan Toney on 15:31 - Sep 2 with 1485 views | WeWereZombies |
| Ivan Toney on 14:43 - Sep 2 by Keno |
you'd have to pay me more than that to work in Peterborough |
I've done that, not as bad as you think. But I guess it depends where in Peterborough and for who (would avoid the Passport Office, once went to a union meeting with a lot of their staff and it was like walking into the prison out of 'Midnight Express'.) |  |
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| Ivan Toney on 15:35 - Sep 2 with 1479 views | Denny32 |
If the Arabs think it will help to improve viewer ratings. They are suckin too much diesel. Lol.id rathe | | | |
| Ivan Toney on 15:39 - Sep 2 with 1472 views | LeoMuff |
| Ivan Toney on 15:19 - Sep 2 by positivity |
i think the point is, that he has the opportunity to be mega-rich whilst playing at the highest level in a short career or to be mega-mega-rich whilst going to a far lower level.
don't understand why you'd chase the extra dollar at the expense of your ambition |
I suppose he is not going to play for England again at a major tournament, and as a Liverpool fan his boat has sailed on that front.
Once you take away playing for your country and the club you support it is just a job, he has played prem for a while so at 29 you go where the money is. |  |
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| Ivan Toney on 15:41 - Sep 2 with 1455 views | positivity |
| Ivan Toney on 15:30 - Sep 2 by Buhrer |
What a waste of talent?!
He's converted a talent for playing football into £400k a week and generational change for his family and lineage.
What a waste. FFS |
he could have achieved generational change for his family by signing for arsenal and still keeping his talent and ambitions though | |
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| Ivan Toney on 15:43 - Sep 2 with 1442 views | positivity |
| Ivan Toney on 15:39 - Sep 2 by LeoMuff |
I suppose he is not going to play for England again at a major tournament, and as a Liverpool fan his boat has sailed on that front.
Once you take away playing for your country and the club you support it is just a job, he has played prem for a while so at 29 you go where the money is. |
he could've gone to a big club, been in contention for winning things, then in a few years, saudi/usa/china whereever will still be there.
he's a better player than peaking at brentford | |
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| Ivan Toney on 15:51 - Sep 2 with 1421 views | Buhrer |
| Ivan Toney on 15:41 - Sep 2 by positivity |
he could have achieved generational change for his family by signing for arsenal and still keeping his talent and ambitions though |
Whose ambitions?
He's 3-4 times as rich as going to Arsenal. That's how the world counts success. It's ugly, but let's not pose going to a top prem club as some sort of choice involving honorable integrity. | | | |
| Ivan Toney on 15:58 - Sep 2 with 1399 views | homer_123 |
| Ivan Toney on 15:04 - Sep 2 by MattinLondon |
You can’t compare the MLS to what the Saudis are doing. |
You most certainly can. 'Buying' in talent is very much comparable! |  |
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| Ivan Toney on 15:59 - Sep 2 with 1395 views | LeoMuff |
| Ivan Toney on 15:43 - Sep 2 by positivity |
he could've gone to a big club, been in contention for winning things, then in a few years, saudi/usa/china whereever will still be there.
he's a better player than peaking at brentford |
Would he though ? if you discount the Carabao cup then unless you sign for Man City, Arsenal or Liverpool then you aren’t going to have much chance of winning much, and I don’t think any of those were ever likely.
If you’re going to sign for the next tier of clubs then is it much different to being at Brentford apart from the salary?
Your right he could have held off for a season or two but will that £400k contract still be available, probably not. | |
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| Ivan Toney on 16:01 - Sep 2 with 1381 views | positivity |
| Ivan Toney on 15:51 - Sep 2 by Buhrer |
Whose ambitions?
He's 3-4 times as rich as going to Arsenal. That's how the world counts success. It's ugly, but let's not pose going to a top prem club as some sort of choice involving honorable integrity. |
i don't think he is though, a similar-aged player who seems to be on the decline (sterling) is supposedly on 350k a week.
i also don't think the world counts success purely by how much they earn, ask the world who's more successful out of salah at liverpool or salah at al ittihad?
not considering integrity here, more the professional ambition | |
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| Ivan Toney on 16:06 - Sep 2 with 1368 views | positivity |
| Ivan Toney on 15:59 - Sep 2 by LeoMuff |
Would he though ? if you discount the Carabao cup then unless you sign for Man City, Arsenal or Liverpool then you aren’t going to have much chance of winning much, and I don’t think any of those were ever likely.
If you’re going to sign for the next tier of clubs then is it much different to being at Brentford apart from the salary?
Your right he could have held off for a season or two but will that £400k contract still be available, probably not. |
arsenal were supposed to be interested at a slightly lower wage level.
might not have been 400k in a few years, but still extremely lucrative, and your value's more likely to go up/remain if you're being seen playing at a top level than out to pasture in saudi... | |
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| Ivan Toney on 16:10 - Sep 2 with 1356 views | davblue |
| Ivan Toney on 16:06 - Sep 2 by positivity |
arsenal were supposed to be interested at a slightly lower wage level.
might not have been 400k in a few years, but still extremely lucrative, and your value's more likely to go up/remain if you're being seen playing at a top level than out to pasture in saudi... |
he wouldn't get anywhere near 400k at Arsenal.
100k to 150k max imo, Phillips albeit a midfielder but far more established international than Toney, is rumoured to be on 150k a week |  | | |
| Ivan Toney on 16:10 - Sep 2 with 1357 views | Reus30 |
I think you are all forgetting that Ivan doesn't give a s*** about football.
Less so when the FA banned him.
£400k net is an insane amount of money, way more than anyone else earns in the EPL. For a man who isn't a massive football fan, doesn't care about trophies or any teams he plays for, he's done alright out of it and fair play to him.
You can play high and mighty all you like on the internet, not many would turn it down.
It's not just life changing, that's like 2 or 3 generations of life changing. For all we know, he could be a very charitable man as well but that's clutching. |  | | |
| Ivan Toney on 16:10 - Sep 2 with 1352 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Ivan Toney on 16:01 - Sep 2 by positivity |
i don't think he is though, a similar-aged player who seems to be on the decline (sterling) is supposedly on 350k a week.
i also don't think the world counts success purely by how much they earn, ask the world who's more successful out of salah at liverpool or salah at al ittihad?
not considering integrity here, more the professional ambition |
Why are you so focussed on his career ambitions- Arsenal or Saudi he’s not likely to be a legend in any way - Arsenal have been trophy dodging for years, he’s never going to break any PL or Arsenal goal scoring records.
Maybe, like many he just sees it as a job, not a career. He might not have the passion for it that some do and simply wants to earn as much as he can whilst he can, and retire as young as he can. We can all sympathise with that I’m sure. | | | |
| Ivan Toney on 16:13 - Sep 2 with 1336 views | positivity |
| Ivan Toney on 16:10 - Sep 2 by davblue |
he wouldn't get anywhere near 400k at Arsenal.
100k to 150k max imo, Phillips albeit a midfielder but far more established international than Toney, is rumoured to be on 150k a week |
and sterling's on 350k apparently, neither him nor phillips made the euros squad unlike toney.
even if it was "only" 100k a week, is that not enough to set you and your family up for life? | |
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| Ivan Toney on 16:16 - Sep 2 with 1314 views | davblue |
| Ivan Toney on 16:13 - Sep 2 by positivity |
and sterling's on 350k apparently, neither him nor phillips made the euros squad unlike toney.
even if it was "only" 100k a week, is that not enough to set you and your family up for life? |
if he's come from poverty, he might want to make sure his family are supported and give them a chance going forward. There's so many tangible things, it's not black and white. | | | |
| Ivan Toney on 16:18 - Sep 2 with 1302 views | positivity |
| Ivan Toney on 16:16 - Sep 2 by davblue |
if he's come from poverty, he might want to make sure his family are supported and give them a chance going forward. There's so many tangible things, it's not black and white. |
100k a week gets anyone out of poverty and sets your family up for life...
not saying it's 100% wrong, just seems like an odd choice in a short career! | |
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| Ivan Toney on 16:20 - Sep 2 with 1288 views | ipswichtillidie |
| Ivan Toney on 14:32 - Sep 2 by Blueschev |
What a waste of talent. I really don't understand it, he could still be rich for the rest of his life whilst having a proper career at the top level of his profession. I'd expect the level to be similar to that of Felixstowe & Walton. |
Personally I have no issues with career decisions other people make because other people are in no position to judge. You can have an opinion but until you’re in that position then the answer could be different for any of us. He’ll have his own reasons and if making as much money for his family is his priority then good luck to him. Obviously the trade off is his career at international level but doubt he was ever first choice there either. Looks a good decision @400k a week to me. I think there was no question he wanted a premier league club but no one came in for him. Looks like this was the next best thing. Even so 400k/week would be near impossible to turn down if that figure is right. Crazy money for someone once playing in the lower leagues. I make him right. |  |
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| Ivan Toney on 16:22 - Sep 2 with 1281 views | LeoMuff |
| Ivan Toney on 16:10 - Sep 2 by Reus30 |
I think you are all forgetting that Ivan doesn't give a s*** about football.
Less so when the FA banned him.
£400k net is an insane amount of money, way more than anyone else earns in the EPL. For a man who isn't a massive football fan, doesn't care about trophies or any teams he plays for, he's done alright out of it and fair play to him.
You can play high and mighty all you like on the internet, not many would turn it down.
It's not just life changing, that's like 2 or 3 generations of life changing. For all we know, he could be a very charitable man as well but that's clutching. |
Think that’s a point you can be very good at a sport but just not that into it. | |
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| Ivan Toney on 16:22 - Sep 2 with 1278 views | Keno |
| Ivan Toney on 15:31 - Sep 2 by WeWereZombies |
I've done that, not as bad as you think. But I guess it depends where in Peterborough and for who (would avoid the Passport Office, once went to a union meeting with a lot of their staff and it was like walking into the prison out of 'Midnight Express'.) |
Wow!! you must be rich!! |  |
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| Ivan Toney on 16:28 - Sep 2 with 1262 views | positivity |
| Ivan Toney on 16:22 - Sep 2 by LeoMuff |
Think that’s a point you can be very good at a sport but just not that into it. |
yes, fair point, he seemed invested when he didn't come on in the euros though! | |
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| Ivan Toney on 16:31 - Sep 2 with 1249 views | ElderGrizzly |
I imagine we'll see a return to England in January or next summer to Newcastle given the Saudi links. |  | | |
| Ivan Toney on 16:33 - Sep 2 with 1238 views | GavTWTD |
I heard one pundit say tax free. Don't remember who. |  |
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