| Andre Dozzell 08:38 - Sep 12 with 5276 views | itfcjoe |
Just finishing up Jason's excellent book, and a couple of revelations (which were reported at the time) but good to confirm
At 16, he was up at Liverpool for a meeting when a transfer had been agreed but subsequently decided he'd be better off staying at Ipswich.
When Norwich were in PL, and we were in L1, presumably summer 2019, there was a £3.4m fee agreed between the 2 clubs for him, but again didn't go through with the move. |  |
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| Andre Dozzell on 09:01 - Sep 12 with 5075 views | Europablue |
Andre would have been much better off leaving either of those times. He was very unlucky to come through the system when the club was in such a state. I also think that Jason looms so large on the club that it was always going to be harder for Andre at ITFC than elsewhere.
I think I will always wonder what he and Downes could have been if they were coached by KM. Downes less so, because he really reached his potential much better than Andre. |  | | |
| Andre Dozzell on 09:23 - Sep 12 with 4881 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Ooof. Can you imagine ME's face when Andre said no to Nodge?
Actually, I'm not sure I ever recall his expression changing at all. |  |
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| Andre Dozzell on 09:23 - Sep 12 with 4875 views | thebooks |
I read the free bit on Amazon – it looks good. As I played football on Alderman Road rec (went to St Matthews) the sheer nostalgia is something.
Just shows – managers and players should really grab any opportunity when it comes along. Andre couldn’t have been at the club at a worse time.
It does annoy me how some seem to enjoy the fact he hasn’t ended up playing at somewhere like Liverpool. |  | | |
| Andre Dozzell on 09:38 - Sep 12 with 4730 views | PhilTWTD |
| Andre Dozzell on 09:23 - Sep 12 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Ooof. Can you imagine ME's face when Andre said no to Nodge?
Actually, I'm not sure I ever recall his expression changing at all. |
He offered a new contract to stave off the interest.
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| Andre Dozzell on 09:41 - Sep 12 with 4662 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Andre Dozzell on 09:38 - Sep 12 by PhilTWTD |
He offered a new contract to stave off the interest.
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Hang on Phil. He offered a new contract, but had also agreed a £3.4m fee? | |
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| Andre Dozzell on 09:46 - Sep 12 with 4644 views | nrb1985 |
| Andre Dozzell on 09:38 - Sep 12 by PhilTWTD |
He offered a new contract to stave off the interest.
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To a point I think you, Joe and others have made before - whatever we might think or thought of ME, he did turn down bids for players (Didzy and others) as well as keep the lights on and make sure people were paid on time etc. Sounds like the bare minimum expectation of an owner but when I look at Bolton and others, things could also have been somewhat more worse than they were.
And of course, his most notable achievement of all, doing what I assume was an excellent and thorough DD before selling up to the current owners. | | | |
| Andre Dozzell on 09:48 - Sep 12 with 4606 views | PhilTWTD |
| Andre Dozzell on 09:41 - Sep 12 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Hang on Phil. He offered a new contract, but had also agreed a £3.4m fee? |
Presumably his agents said they weren't going to agree the new deal at some point and the clubs agreed a fee before there was a change of heart. I remember the club tried to fight off the interest at the time and I don't think Jason or other members of the family were keen on Norwich being his destination! | | | |
| Andre Dozzell on 10:18 - Sep 12 with 4315 views | Europablue |
| Andre Dozzell on 09:46 - Sep 12 by nrb1985 |
To a point I think you, Joe and others have made before - whatever we might think or thought of ME, he did turn down bids for players (Didzy and others) as well as keep the lights on and make sure people were paid on time etc. Sounds like the bare minimum expectation of an owner but when I look at Bolton and others, things could also have been somewhat more worse than they were.
And of course, his most notable achievement of all, doing what I assume was an excellent and thorough DD before selling up to the current owners. |
Me kept players when we would have been better of selling. We were offered really good fees for both Didzy and Andre and the money would have been better used to buy players suited to the level. It's just a fact of life that teams in League One and the Championship need to sell players rather than hold onto a depreciating asset and in these cases the loss of millions. | | | |
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| Andre Dozzell on 10:28 - Sep 12 with 4201 views | homer_123 |
| Andre Dozzell on 10:18 - Sep 12 by Europablue |
Me kept players when we would have been better of selling. We were offered really good fees for both Didzy and Andre and the money would have been better used to buy players suited to the level. It's just a fact of life that teams in League One and the Championship need to sell players rather than hold onto a depreciating asset and in these cases the loss of millions. |
So, you'd have advocated letting Chappers, Burns et al go then? |  |
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| Andre Dozzell on 10:53 - Sep 12 with 4023 views | davblue |
| Andre Dozzell on 10:18 - Sep 12 by Europablue |
Me kept players when we would have been better of selling. We were offered really good fees for both Didzy and Andre and the money would have been better used to buy players suited to the level. It's just a fact of life that teams in League One and the Championship need to sell players rather than hold onto a depreciating asset and in these cases the loss of millions. |
Fees were generally used to cover his money input for the year, so wouldn't have been re invested to the point to probably improve the team to the extent it needed. |  | | |
| Andre Dozzell on 10:55 - Sep 12 with 3996 views | Radlett_blue |
| Andre Dozzell on 09:38 - Sep 12 by PhilTWTD |
He offered a new contract to stave off the interest.
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Offering Judge a new contract was yet another great bit of business by Lambert, wasn't it? |  |
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| Andre Dozzell on 11:00 - Sep 12 with 3918 views | nrb1985 |
| Andre Dozzell on 10:18 - Sep 12 by Europablue |
Me kept players when we would have been better of selling. We were offered really good fees for both Didzy and Andre and the money would have been better used to buy players suited to the level. It's just a fact of life that teams in League One and the Championship need to sell players rather than hold onto a depreciating asset and in these cases the loss of millions. |
Whether it was the right call or not is neither here nor there.
My point is simply, he did try to do the right things for the club but was just hapless. Including, often trying to hold on to our better players. Believe there were bids for Wolfy as well among others. [Post edited 12 Sep 2024 12:42]
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| Andre Dozzell on 11:14 - Sep 12 with 3751 views | RegencyBlue |
| Andre Dozzell on 11:00 - Sep 12 by nrb1985 |
Whether it was the right call or not is neither here nor there.
My point is simply, he did try to do the right things for the club but was just hapless. Including, often trying to hold on to our better players. Believe there were bids for Wolfy as well among others. [Post edited 12 Sep 2024 12:42]
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Hapless is being rather too kind.
I prefer criminally negligent myself! |  | | |
| Andre Dozzell on 11:15 - Sep 12 with 3762 views | BlueyandCrazy |
| Andre Dozzell on 10:55 - Sep 12 by Radlett_blue |
Offering Judge a new contract was yet another great bit of business by Lambert, wasn't it? |
Judge was the guest on Life's a Pitch yesterday, interesting insight into Lamber playing him on left rather than no10 (his best position), whereas others refused to play on the left.
This would suggest his willingness to do what Lambert wanted helped, and also intriguing as to who was refusing to play on the left, insisting on playing no10. Nolan? | |
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| Andre Dozzell on 12:28 - Sep 12 with 3235 views | Guthrum |
| Andre Dozzell on 11:14 - Sep 12 by RegencyBlue |
Hapless is being rather too kind.
I prefer criminally negligent myself! |
I don't think that is fair. Criminal negligence implies a deliberate damaging or risky policy. He made some poor choices (Roy Keane), but I don't think there was an intentional endangering of the club's future.
It was more the case that what he did (including the input of around £100m) failed to work out and he was stuck with an unsustainable situation. His later funding limits were not enough to prevent a decline in the club's League position, but they were certainly sufficient not to threaten its existence. Nor was there any asset stripping. |  |
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| Andre Dozzell on 13:02 - Sep 12 with 2987 views | ibbleobble |
I bet he regrets that… | | | |
| Andre Dozzell on 14:43 - Sep 12 with 2521 views | Radlett_blue |
| Andre Dozzell on 11:00 - Sep 12 by nrb1985 |
Whether it was the right call or not is neither here nor there.
My point is simply, he did try to do the right things for the club but was just hapless. Including, often trying to hold on to our better players. Believe there were bids for Wolfy as well among others. [Post edited 12 Sep 2024 12:42]
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Evans was hapless, but became serially incompetent when he allowed Hurst to waste our transfer kitty on a bunch of average League 1 players, therebt condemning Town to relegation & 3 seasons of obscurity in League 1, | |
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| Andre Dozzell on 15:54 - Sep 12 with 2280 views | franz_tyson |
| Andre Dozzell on 09:01 - Sep 12 by Europablue |
Andre would have been much better off leaving either of those times. He was very unlucky to come through the system when the club was in such a state. I also think that Jason looms so large on the club that it was always going to be harder for Andre at ITFC than elsewhere.
I think I will always wonder what he and Downes could have been if they were coached by KM. Downes less so, because he really reached his potential much better than Andre. |
We all love Mckenna and have absolute faith in his coaching ability.... BUT... why does the career of Andre Dozzell hinge on being coached by Mckenna? Andre is only 26. If hes that good .... we could have picked him up on a free this summer and turned him into a PL player in a couple of training sessions.
But maybe, maybe..... he's not that good enough with or without Mckenna. The reason Downes has got further up the ladder than Dozzell is because hes a far better player.
Dozzell wouldn't fit into a Mckenna team anyway. Our players are both skilful and work their ar£es off and Andre isn't a grafter. | | | |
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