| Embarassing this 08:33 - Oct 1 with 3057 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Imagine thinking that Crisps sort of 'banter' is still OK.
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| Embarassing this on 08:49 - Oct 1 with 2929 views | Churchman |
A 55 year old man posted something insensitive, disgusting, unpleasant and beyond stupid. Even aside from the 97 he refers to, a person died at that game on Saturday, at a football match, and his family will be mourning his loss - and that individual came out with that.
I get freedom of speech etc, but posting on social media should carry some responsibility and consequence. In my view, he got what he deserved for his trouble. |  | | |
| Embarassing this on 09:03 - Oct 1 with 2863 views | FrimleyBlue |
What makes it different to the quite often seen jokes made by comedians..
9/11 jokes etc are disgusting but you hear many of them on TV and via social media. The people are paid to do them yet this fella who ever he is, Thinks he's funny and loses everything for telling a joke. Its a sht one. A horrid one. But I agree in part with Will T that the crime doesn't fit the punishment imo. People trying to find out where he drinks. Where he shops. What socials he goes to. What his job is. What golf club he's part of. I've seen posts linking places his family goes to not even about him. That's wrong imo.
Having said that. He has some previous tweets which are also insensitive so maybe this is something he needed to happen to him to wake him up a bit.
Personally i think if jokes of a specific type aren't welcome then 100% comedians shouldn't be able to use such jokes either. Otherwise it's a bit hypocritical that as long as you're paid you can say what you like. [Post edited 1 Oct 2024 9:17]
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| Embarassing this on 09:27 - Oct 1 with 2693 views | CrockerITFC |
| Embarassing this on 09:03 - Oct 1 by FrimleyBlue |
What makes it different to the quite often seen jokes made by comedians..
9/11 jokes etc are disgusting but you hear many of them on TV and via social media. The people are paid to do them yet this fella who ever he is, Thinks he's funny and loses everything for telling a joke. Its a sht one. A horrid one. But I agree in part with Will T that the crime doesn't fit the punishment imo. People trying to find out where he drinks. Where he shops. What socials he goes to. What his job is. What golf club he's part of. I've seen posts linking places his family goes to not even about him. That's wrong imo.
Having said that. He has some previous tweets which are also insensitive so maybe this is something he needed to happen to him to wake him up a bit.
Personally i think if jokes of a specific type aren't welcome then 100% comedians shouldn't be able to use such jokes either. Otherwise it's a bit hypocritical that as long as you're paid you can say what you like. [Post edited 1 Oct 2024 9:17]
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I think you've somewhat missed the simple point there though, he is a contracted employee, he broke his contract of employment.
He's not a comedian. Comedians are effectively self-employed, they aren't exactly going to sack themselves over one of their jokes. There are many instances though of venues cancelling shows when comedians are in breach of contract or as a form of damage control. There are also instances of audiences boycotting shows etc
You're comparing apples to oranges with your analogy. |  | | |
| Embarassing this on 09:27 - Oct 1 with 2682 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Embarassing this on 09:17 - Oct 1 by SitfcB |
How is this a ‘joke’?
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Sitters I did mention " his previous tweets" in my first response.
Regarding the joke. It is a joke. A terrible absolutely disgusting one that rightfully people hate and no one can condone the joke itself as its pathetic and embarrassing to come from anyone let alone a mature fella.
But as I said. I've seen Jimmy Carr talk about aids in Africa, other comedians talk about 9/11, absolutely horrible 'jokes' that people laugh at, wince at too but they're applauded for daring to go where others don't. It's disturbing. I never get the appeal of jokes around the death of others.
My point is these comedians say them and carry on saying them and carry on getting paid to do them.
This fella as depraved as he is, loses his livelihood, his family accosted because he made a really bad joke. Not a racist one. Not one that can cause riots or anything or bring hatred to the streets. But one that's incredibly distasteful. I have however seem jokes that are borderline racist. Incites hatred etc. Yet some of these people especially on twitter are then applauded like some hero's it's all rather disgusting tbh. | |
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| Embarassing this on 09:30 - Oct 1 with 2655 views | NedPlimpton |
| Embarassing this on 09:27 - Oct 1 by FrimleyBlue |
Sitters I did mention " his previous tweets" in my first response.
Regarding the joke. It is a joke. A terrible absolutely disgusting one that rightfully people hate and no one can condone the joke itself as its pathetic and embarrassing to come from anyone let alone a mature fella.
But as I said. I've seen Jimmy Carr talk about aids in Africa, other comedians talk about 9/11, absolutely horrible 'jokes' that people laugh at, wince at too but they're applauded for daring to go where others don't. It's disturbing. I never get the appeal of jokes around the death of others.
My point is these comedians say them and carry on saying them and carry on getting paid to do them.
This fella as depraved as he is, loses his livelihood, his family accosted because he made a really bad joke. Not a racist one. Not one that can cause riots or anything or bring hatred to the streets. But one that's incredibly distasteful. I have however seem jokes that are borderline racist. Incites hatred etc. Yet some of these people especially on twitter are then applauded like some hero's it's all rather disgusting tbh. |
There's a difference between celebrating a death and making light of it in a comedy routine
Probably why Mr Crisp never made it as a comedian and is also now an unemployed construction worker |  | | |
| Embarassing this on 09:32 - Oct 1 with 2641 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Embarassing this on 09:27 - Oct 1 by CrockerITFC |
I think you've somewhat missed the simple point there though, he is a contracted employee, he broke his contract of employment.
He's not a comedian. Comedians are effectively self-employed, they aren't exactly going to sack themselves over one of their jokes. There are many instances though of venues cancelling shows when comedians are in breach of contract or as a form of damage control. There are also instances of audiences boycotting shows etc
You're comparing apples to oranges with your analogy. |
No I'm not as I understand why he lost his contract. Everyone knows what you do on social can effect jobs especially public profiles. I've no disagreement about him losing his job as that's a given and he should have known that before tweeting.
My point about comedians tho was similar to the reply to sitters that it's a double standard where some get applauded for utter disgusting tweets whilst others get targeted hate campaigns made against them.
As I said losing his job I get, it happens alot, but losing his place at a golf club etc is a bit off when he's not representing the golf club etc.
I'm in danger of coming across as condoning his tweet which I really don't want as I find it absolutely disgusting. I just don't like the targeted family campaign of hate that goes against it. | |
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| Embarassing this on 09:41 - Oct 1 with 2559 views | CrockerITFC |
| Embarassing this on 09:32 - Oct 1 by FrimleyBlue |
No I'm not as I understand why he lost his contract. Everyone knows what you do on social can effect jobs especially public profiles. I've no disagreement about him losing his job as that's a given and he should have known that before tweeting.
My point about comedians tho was similar to the reply to sitters that it's a double standard where some get applauded for utter disgusting tweets whilst others get targeted hate campaigns made against them.
As I said losing his job I get, it happens alot, but losing his place at a golf club etc is a bit off when he's not representing the golf club etc.
I'm in danger of coming across as condoning his tweet which I really don't want as I find it absolutely disgusting. I just don't like the targeted family campaign of hate that goes against it. |
How do we know that some people didn't find his "joke" funny? We don't! Maybe the people defending him did, who knows.
It's not a double standard, if people don't like or agree with comedian's jokes, they don't go to their shows or watch them on tv. If a comedian says something that no-one finds funny or people find offensive they don't get gigs as venues won't host them. | | | |
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| Embarassing this on 09:43 - Oct 1 with 2531 views | BlueDouglas |
| Embarassing this on 08:49 - Oct 1 by Churchman |
A 55 year old man posted something insensitive, disgusting, unpleasant and beyond stupid. Even aside from the 97 he refers to, a person died at that game on Saturday, at a football match, and his family will be mourning his loss - and that individual came out with that.
I get freedom of speech etc, but posting on social media should carry some responsibility and consequence. In my view, he got what he deserved for his trouble. |
Agree & this is how it should be and always has been. Social consequences when you do something horrible, but not illegal. Don't want to live in a country where we legislate every aspect of life. |  | | |
| Embarassing this on 09:46 - Oct 1 with 2508 views | MattinLondon |
| Embarassing this on 09:32 - Oct 1 by FrimleyBlue |
No I'm not as I understand why he lost his contract. Everyone knows what you do on social can effect jobs especially public profiles. I've no disagreement about him losing his job as that's a given and he should have known that before tweeting.
My point about comedians tho was similar to the reply to sitters that it's a double standard where some get applauded for utter disgusting tweets whilst others get targeted hate campaigns made against them.
As I said losing his job I get, it happens alot, but losing his place at a golf club etc is a bit off when he's not representing the golf club etc.
I'm in danger of coming across as condoning his tweet which I really don't want as I find it absolutely disgusting. I just don't like the targeted family campaign of hate that goes against it. |
There’s another thread on this in which someone highlighted who he was and ended it with ‘let social media do its thing’. That to me is rather sinister and breeds the danger for some sort of self-appointed vigilante to have a pop at him. I imagine his inbox is full of abuse.
If someone still doesn’t understand that social media is akin to using a loudspeaker in a busy town centre, don’t use it. Be as drab as possible on it as it only takes one person to share a tweet for thousands more to see it.
Dark humour has always been a thing and I imagine that a lot of people who stated how much they disliked that particular tweet have probably said a lot worse (or borderline worse) with their friends in private. It’s all about context - a comedian builds up to a ‘darker’ joke, rather than just knocking it off in 140 characters. There tends to be layers to a comedians joke.
In terms of the golf club - give it a few months, and he’ll be allowed to rejoin. Or maybe his normally a bit of a bell end and they wanted a reason to get rid of him. |  | | |
| Embarassing this on 09:48 - Oct 1 with 2506 views | WeWereZombies |
| Embarassing this on 09:32 - Oct 1 by FrimleyBlue |
No I'm not as I understand why he lost his contract. Everyone knows what you do on social can effect jobs especially public profiles. I've no disagreement about him losing his job as that's a given and he should have known that before tweeting.
My point about comedians tho was similar to the reply to sitters that it's a double standard where some get applauded for utter disgusting tweets whilst others get targeted hate campaigns made against them.
As I said losing his job I get, it happens alot, but losing his place at a golf club etc is a bit off when he's not representing the golf club etc.
I'm in danger of coming across as condoning his tweet which I really don't want as I find it absolutely disgusting. I just don't like the targeted family campaign of hate that goes against it. |
I'm not, and hopefully never will be, on Twitter (was that formerly known as X ?) so I don't know if comedians also post their jokes on there, surely they are mindful of the repercussions if they offend World wide ? Also, from a commercial point of view they would be giving away for free what they expect to be paid for...
But there is a difference between broadcasting a 'joke' to everyone and sounding out a room at a late night venue before engaging in an interaction with the audience to test limits and gauge reactions. I think the British Nigerian comedian Stephen K Amos gave the best example of this when he told a story about finding the word 'baboon' funny and getting all of the room booming out the daftness, next day someone from that audience started shouting 'baboon' at him from across the street and it drew a reaction from passers by...
It's a comedian's job to 'find the funny' in an environment where most people know that they have come along to get the humour in human frailty (and we know the comedians who will have no qualms about making us the butt of a joke ~ even when we are sitting back in the third row and keeping quiet...the b@stards.) |  |
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| Embarassing this on 09:53 - Oct 1 with 2435 views | CaptainAhab |
I don't have any sympathy for the fella, utterly abhorrent and moronic comment, not funny in the slightest and designed to cause offence rather than a laugh. No doubt shows the blokes true nature.
That said the resulting pile on is incredibly unpleasant. Brings to mind Jon Ronsons "So you've been publicly shamed", well worth a read/listen. |  | | |
| Embarassing this on 10:03 - Oct 1 with 2330 views | Churchman |
| Embarassing this on 09:43 - Oct 1 by BlueDouglas |
Agree & this is how it should be and always has been. Social consequences when you do something horrible, but not illegal. Don't want to live in a country where we legislate every aspect of life. |
Absolutely agree.
People should be free to express themselves and their views. Freedom of speech is something I’ll defend to the hilt.
However with that, especially in an age of social media where a message can go to literally anybody, comes a responsibility. That includes a responsibility to adhere to decency and some degree of sensitivity. This person has crossed the line. As a consequence it looks like he’s lost his job, the police are looking into it and of course Wednesday have banned him for life so he’s reaped his reward.
For the sake of the deceased man’s family and those of the 97 I think it should be left there. [Post edited 1 Oct 2024 10:20]
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| Embarassing this on 10:16 - Oct 1 with 2241 views | Europablue |
| Embarassing this on 08:49 - Oct 1 by Churchman |
A 55 year old man posted something insensitive, disgusting, unpleasant and beyond stupid. Even aside from the 97 he refers to, a person died at that game on Saturday, at a football match, and his family will be mourning his loss - and that individual came out with that.
I get freedom of speech etc, but posting on social media should carry some responsibility and consequence. In my view, he got what he deserved for his trouble. |
The real question is, why is anybody posting anything to the whole world on social media? There are very few people who are that popular to have a demand for their comment. It's much better to say whatever you have to say within your friendship group. There are some sad cases that get some sick pleasure from saying horrible things that can really affect people who have been through something traumatic. Usually trolls have very sad lives. | | | |
| Embarassing this on 10:21 - Oct 1 with 2186 views | MattinLondon |
| Embarassing this on 10:16 - Oct 1 by Europablue |
The real question is, why is anybody posting anything to the whole world on social media? There are very few people who are that popular to have a demand for their comment. It's much better to say whatever you have to say within your friendship group. There are some sad cases that get some sick pleasure from saying horrible things that can really affect people who have been through something traumatic. Usually trolls have very sad lives. |
I’m guessing that a lot of people don’t see themselves as trolling but rather view it as banter. And are unable or unwilling to change their mindset. | | | |
| Embarassing this on 10:22 - Oct 1 with 2171 views | Europablue |
| Embarassing this on 10:03 - Oct 1 by Churchman |
Absolutely agree.
People should be free to express themselves and their views. Freedom of speech is something I’ll defend to the hilt.
However with that, especially in an age of social media where a message can go to literally anybody, comes a responsibility. That includes a responsibility to adhere to decency and some degree of sensitivity. This person has crossed the line. As a consequence it looks like he’s lost his job, the police are looking into it and of course Wednesday have banned him for life so he’s reaped his reward.
For the sake of the deceased man’s family and those of the 97 I think it should be left there. [Post edited 1 Oct 2024 10:20]
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| Embarassing this on 10:39 - Oct 1 with 2031 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
This guy was stupid enough to post vile things on social media, more than once. Now he is facing the consequences. I have no sympathy for him. If I was his employer, I wouldn't want to be associated with him. If I was his golf club I wouldn't want to be associated with him.
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| Embarassing this on 10:57 - Oct 1 with 1942 views | Illinoisblue |
Wasn’t this from the fella who started an online fundraiser to buy Town shirts for needy kids… just days after saying he couldnt buy shirts for his own kids. |  |
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| Embarassing this on 11:15 - Oct 1 with 1829 views | Churchman |
| Embarassing this on 10:22 - Oct 1 by Europablue |
The problem is the police looking into it, isn't it? |
That was mentioned but I have absolutely no idea what crime has potentially been committed for them to do that. | | | |
| Embarassing this on 11:18 - Oct 1 with 1802 views | MJallday |
i heard his local pub has banned him
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| Embarassing this on 11:28 - Oct 1 with 1755 views | noggin |
| Embarassing this on 09:27 - Oct 1 by FrimleyBlue |
Sitters I did mention " his previous tweets" in my first response.
Regarding the joke. It is a joke. A terrible absolutely disgusting one that rightfully people hate and no one can condone the joke itself as its pathetic and embarrassing to come from anyone let alone a mature fella.
But as I said. I've seen Jimmy Carr talk about aids in Africa, other comedians talk about 9/11, absolutely horrible 'jokes' that people laugh at, wince at too but they're applauded for daring to go where others don't. It's disturbing. I never get the appeal of jokes around the death of others.
My point is these comedians say them and carry on saying them and carry on getting paid to do them.
This fella as depraved as he is, loses his livelihood, his family accosted because he made a really bad joke. Not a racist one. Not one that can cause riots or anything or bring hatred to the streets. But one that's incredibly distasteful. I have however seem jokes that are borderline racist. Incites hatred etc. Yet some of these people especially on twitter are then applauded like some hero's it's all rather disgusting tbh. |
I must be missing something. How is his tweet "a joke"? I would say it's more a taunt. He knew it would upset many people, including millions of Liverpool and West Brom fans. [Post edited 1 Oct 2024 11:38]
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