| Expectations as fans 13:47 - Oct 21 with 3612 views | hype313 |
Think our biggest issue as fans has been the fact that we looked at WH away and Everton at home, hoping to get something from them, we didn't expect anything from the first two, fully expected a loss to Villa and Brighton, draw with Fulham was par and most were happy with the Point at St Mary's.
So in essence the past two games have been below par both in expectations and performance levels, which in the grand scheme of things is only 25% of our season so far.
Add in the Injuries to Axel and Greaves, this has compounded the misery and hasn't helped defensive cohesion.
Keep the faith, we have the best young manager in the country leaving no stone unturned. |  |
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| Expectations as fans on 13:55 - Oct 21 with 3531 views | Mullet |
I think it’s performances rather than results. We’ve made more mistakes than Napoleon in Russia and they’ve been equally costly.
It’s heartbreaking how far off some of the guys who got us here have been too. We are stuck between two stools of the mega rush of the past two years, and breaking that apart with upgrades who haven’t come good yet.
Whether it’s naïveté, entitlement or just pride, the expectation we’d compete more than we have and for a whole game isn’t that unreasonable either. |  |
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| Expectations as fans on 15:41 - Oct 21 with 3331 views | homer_123 |
| Expectations as fans on 13:55 - Oct 21 by Mullet |
I think it’s performances rather than results. We’ve made more mistakes than Napoleon in Russia and they’ve been equally costly.
It’s heartbreaking how far off some of the guys who got us here have been too. We are stuck between two stools of the mega rush of the past two years, and breaking that apart with upgrades who haven’t come good yet.
Whether it’s naïveté, entitlement or just pride, the expectation we’d compete more than we have and for a whole game isn’t that unreasonable either. |
Saturday wasn't great, just too many errors, it was a bad one.
West Ham - maybe I am too positive but that first half wasn't that bad? Like I say, maybe I'm wrong.
All the other games, we have competed and competed well. A mix of getting stuck in but also looking to play and attack.
So, really, we are talking about an abject performance against Everton, who really didn't have to do too much to win. West Ham, for me is 50/50. Other than that - it's been about where we expected.
I think we have enough about us to learn and adapt from Saturday's match and that second half against West Ham.
Just going back to that West Ham game, a couple of Hammer supporting mates who were there (I wasn't) reckoned we'd be fine staying up...FWIW. |  |
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| Expectations as fans on 15:45 - Oct 21 with 3307 views | Mullet |
| Expectations as fans on 15:41 - Oct 21 by homer_123 |
Saturday wasn't great, just too many errors, it was a bad one.
West Ham - maybe I am too positive but that first half wasn't that bad? Like I say, maybe I'm wrong.
All the other games, we have competed and competed well. A mix of getting stuck in but also looking to play and attack.
So, really, we are talking about an abject performance against Everton, who really didn't have to do too much to win. West Ham, for me is 50/50. Other than that - it's been about where we expected.
I think we have enough about us to learn and adapt from Saturday's match and that second half against West Ham.
Just going back to that West Ham game, a couple of Hammer supporting mates who were there (I wasn't) reckoned we'd be fine staying up...FWIW. |
Fulham was decent as was Villa, but Liverpool and city second geared it as expected.
West Ham was dreadful and Saturday was even worse I don’t think we can really hide away from the fact we aren’t even troubling teams enough. | |
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| Expectations as fans on 15:47 - Oct 21 with 3295 views | bluefunk |
| Expectations as fans on 15:41 - Oct 21 by homer_123 |
Saturday wasn't great, just too many errors, it was a bad one.
West Ham - maybe I am too positive but that first half wasn't that bad? Like I say, maybe I'm wrong.
All the other games, we have competed and competed well. A mix of getting stuck in but also looking to play and attack.
So, really, we are talking about an abject performance against Everton, who really didn't have to do too much to win. West Ham, for me is 50/50. Other than that - it's been about where we expected.
I think we have enough about us to learn and adapt from Saturday's match and that second half against West Ham.
Just going back to that West Ham game, a couple of Hammer supporting mates who were there (I wasn't) reckoned we'd be fine staying up...FWIW. |
Even then, had Clarke taken his first half opportunity and Chaplin, his in the second half, then we might have got something from the game, despite the performance. That’s ignoring the penalty issue. |  | | |
| Expectations as fans on 15:48 - Oct 21 with 3286 views | homer_123 |
| Expectations as fans on 15:45 - Oct 21 by Mullet |
Fulham was decent as was Villa, but Liverpool and city second geared it as expected.
West Ham was dreadful and Saturday was even worse I don’t think we can really hide away from the fact we aren’t even troubling teams enough. |
Not trying to get away from Saturday but the danger is looking at in isolation.
We seen enough, even against Liverpool and City, to suggest we 'can' compete at this level.
We are only 8 games in.... | |
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| Expectations as fans on 15:49 - Oct 21 with 3283 views | homer_123 |
| Expectations as fans on 15:47 - Oct 21 by bluefunk |
Even then, had Clarke taken his first half opportunity and Chaplin, his in the second half, then we might have got something from the game, despite the performance. That’s ignoring the penalty issue. |
Oh indeed, but we didn't and you can't shy away from the other mistakes that could have led to goals for Everton.
Saturday was error strewn. | |
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| Expectations as fans on 15:52 - Oct 21 with 3261 views | Mullet |
| Expectations as fans on 15:48 - Oct 21 by homer_123 |
Not trying to get away from Saturday but the danger is looking at in isolation.
We seen enough, even against Liverpool and City, to suggest we 'can' compete at this level.
We are only 8 games in.... |
Not sure it’s in isolation when there are two games we’ve really competed in! The big problem is there isn’t the number of games or teams to allow us any breathing room, especially now we need to make up 4pts on those directly above us. | |
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| Expectations as fans on 15:55 - Oct 21 with 3234 views | homer_123 |
| Expectations as fans on 15:52 - Oct 21 by Mullet |
Not sure it’s in isolation when there are two games we’ve really competed in! The big problem is there isn’t the number of games or teams to allow us any breathing room, especially now we need to make up 4pts on those directly above us. |
As I posted the other day, I believe we'll learn and adapt and we'll be there or thereabouts at the end of the season - if we are not. Then, so be it.
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| Expectations as fans on 15:57 - Oct 21 with 3220 views | bluefunk |
| Expectations as fans on 15:49 - Oct 21 by homer_123 |
Oh indeed, but we didn't and you can't shy away from the other mistakes that could have led to goals for Everton.
Saturday was error strewn. |
No, absolutely our most error strewn performance, yet we still could have been one up before they were given their goals, that might have changed the dynamics. It would certainly have energised a very muted PR crowd.
I’m clinging to the belief that we can improve once we get more games under our belt, let’s just hope it’s not too little too late. | | | |
| Expectations as fans on 16:00 - Oct 21 with 3201 views | homer_123 |
| Expectations as fans on 15:57 - Oct 21 by bluefunk |
No, absolutely our most error strewn performance, yet we still could have been one up before they were given their goals, that might have changed the dynamics. It would certainly have energised a very muted PR crowd.
I’m clinging to the belief that we can improve once we get more games under our belt, let’s just hope it’s not too little too late. |
Agreed, had that nestled in - I do think it would have been a different game.
I, too, think we'll come good - this was never, ever, going to be easy. | |
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| Expectations as fans on 17:44 - Oct 21 with 3047 views | 66notout |
| Expectations as fans on 15:45 - Oct 21 by Mullet |
Fulham was decent as was Villa, but Liverpool and city second geared it as expected.
West Ham was dreadful and Saturday was even worse I don’t think we can really hide away from the fact we aren’t even troubling teams enough. |
50-50 is a strange take on a 4-1 defeat |  | | |
| Expectations as fans on 17:46 - Oct 21 with 3025 views | MK1 |
I expected us to be in a relegation battle. |  |
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| Expectations as fans on 19:17 - Oct 21 with 2855 views | WestSussexBlue |
Agree, if we look at it hypothetically, let’s say in last season’s FA Cup 3rd round draw we were pitted away to West Ham, not many of us would have predicted anything other than a defeat. If it was Everton at Home, realistically we would have fancied a draw. Now, We’ve recruited well but in my opinion not well enough with headstrong Premier League experience, Greaves, O’Shea, Szmodics, Clarke are all very good players but are all making the step up. Some of our expectations are unrealistic, even the Everton’s and Wolves of this division have something we haven’t, that’s Premier League player experience.
We will survive because KMc leaves no stone unturned, is meticulous and thorough.
The players will gel and become better because their manager is arguably one of the best young coaches there are.
Keep the faith, it’s going to be tight but we’d all take that. | | | |
| Expectations as fans on 21:31 - Oct 21 with 2681 views | itfckenty |
I always expected us to be fighting relegation.the problem with being in the prem (where game days are concerned) all the fans rise from the woodwork - especially the ones who haven't really followed for the last few years and more, and have such a toxic voice at the games. It was very muted on Saturday, the guy next to me (from 2mins in) was shouting and bellowing at how terrible and crap we were, and there were others behind me. Not exactly the motivation the team need. I've seen plenty to believe their is capability there, Everton wasn't good at all and neither was westham.but other games have definitely given me confidence, we just need to gain some momentum and hopefully our first win will feel so good, the team will get moving more. |  | | |
| Expectations as fans on 08:39 - Oct 22 with 2464 views | TractorWood |
| Expectations as fans on 16:00 - Oct 21 by homer_123 |
Agreed, had that nestled in - I do think it would have been a different game.
I, too, think we'll come good - this was never, ever, going to be easy. |
They missed (or Muric saved) two one on ones. IMO it's naive to say we just needed to take our chances. We were battered all over the field Saturday. |  |
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| Expectations as fans on 10:28 - Oct 22 with 2339 views | Mullet |
| Expectations as fans on 15:48 - Oct 21 by homer_123 |
Not trying to get away from Saturday but the danger is looking at in isolation.
We seen enough, even against Liverpool and City, to suggest we 'can' compete at this level.
We are only 8 games in.... |
Not sure it’s isolation when mentioning most of the games we’ve played! I appreciate the need to keep going, but it’s worrying we haven’t even started to yet. | |
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| Expectations as fans on 10:42 - Oct 22 with 2322 views | DavoIPB |
| Expectations as fans on 15:48 - Oct 21 by homer_123 |
Not trying to get away from Saturday but the danger is looking at in isolation.
We seen enough, even against Liverpool and City, to suggest we 'can' compete at this level.
We are only 8 games in.... |
We really haven't. We did well against Fulham. Man city and Liverpool stroller past us without trying. Brighton over ran us the whole game but only some excellent saves prevented it being 3-0. Southampton who are a really poor team by this leagues standards were much better than us for most of the game. Villa was a bit of an anomaly manly I think because they were focused on their bigger upcoming game. | | | |
| Expectations as fans on 12:29 - Oct 22 with 2176 views | GlasgowBlue |
The biggest issue for me is that we seem to have gone backwards over the past two games.
When we made a flurry of signings in the summer quite a few respected pundits remarked that we were giving it a real good go, unlike Luton last season. Obviously the caveat was that it would take a few weeks for the signings to gel.
As fans we accepted that we would be lucky to get anything out of the first two games against Liverpool and City. But that first half against Liverpool was impressive and the line going around was that the season starts in earnest against Fulham.
A very good performance against Fulham earned us a point which could have well been three. We followed that up with a defensive masterclass at high flying Brighton and an average performance away to Southampton, which at least had the familiar never say die attitude of last season with a last minuter equaliser.
Our draw against Champions League Aston Villa was another impressive draw with a performance that warranted a win. We could genuinely progress throughout that run of 4 draws.
But since then the performances have been well below par. Not only are we still giving away cheap goals but we seem to have lost a bit of fight. |  |
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| Expectations as fans on 13:28 - Oct 22 with 2073 views | hype313 |
| Expectations as fans on 12:29 - Oct 22 by GlasgowBlue |
The biggest issue for me is that we seem to have gone backwards over the past two games.
When we made a flurry of signings in the summer quite a few respected pundits remarked that we were giving it a real good go, unlike Luton last season. Obviously the caveat was that it would take a few weeks for the signings to gel.
As fans we accepted that we would be lucky to get anything out of the first two games against Liverpool and City. But that first half against Liverpool was impressive and the line going around was that the season starts in earnest against Fulham.
A very good performance against Fulham earned us a point which could have well been three. We followed that up with a defensive masterclass at high flying Brighton and an average performance away to Southampton, which at least had the familiar never say die attitude of last season with a last minuter equaliser.
Our draw against Champions League Aston Villa was another impressive draw with a performance that warranted a win. We could genuinely progress throughout that run of 4 draws.
But since then the performances have been well below par. Not only are we still giving away cheap goals but we seem to have lost a bit of fight. |
Fair point Glassers, There's so many things that you could place it on, intensity of the PL, or lack of games to build cohesion, injuries in key area's, players not able to impart their game?
It looks like a multitude of things at present, maybe this is just what it is in the PL, having had one window to try and build a squad capable of staying up was always going to be such a tall order, especially as we had to upgrade a lot of bodies from League One.
We're still making a fist of it in the main, but, for me, it's the midfield where were struggling the most, I'm not sure Morsy and Phillips are benefiting each other currently, I feel we need more legs, dynamism, in that area, whether that's swapping one out for Taylor or playing 3 I'm not sure. But we seem to be getting overun too much, which then puts additional pressure on our CB's.
The debate around Omari at 10 also seems to be an issue, he's getting doubled up which gives him no space, and he doesn't have the strength to mitigate this.
A do feel a few tweaks here and there and we are a dangerous beast, but the last 2 games have certainly been humbling. [Post edited 22 Oct 2024 13:30]
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| Expectations as fans on 15:31 - Oct 22 with 1917 views | Vic |
| Expectations as fans on 15:45 - Oct 21 by Mullet |
Fulham was decent as was Villa, but Liverpool and city second geared it as expected.
West Ham was dreadful and Saturday was even worse I don’t think we can really hide away from the fact we aren’t even troubling teams enough. |
Which makes this Sats game really important in terms of performance. We really do need to see a reaction after a couple of below par games - at least by our standards.
The injuries are cruel - Axel and Greaves have been a couple of our most important players so far. |  |
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| Expectations as fans on 15:41 - Oct 22 with 1884 views | ITFC_Forever |
It seems that when we are at (or near) our best, we can compete in this division and probably win games against most teams outside the top six (could / should have beaten Fulham and Villa).
But we are getting taught a lesson in ruthlessness at each of the pitch - mistakes get punished more severely and more often at this level, while we need to take our opportunities when they come.
And when we are not at our best, it's too comfortable, such as West Ham and Everton.
But in even those games, we could have averted disaster. If we'd gone in at half-time level against West Ham, if we'd got the rub of the green for the penalty and then made more of the last 20 minutes v Everton... |  |
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| Expectations as fans on 18:50 - Oct 22 with 1738 views | TheBoyBlue |
It is disappointing that we have saved our two worst performances for two 'winnable' (as much as any are winnable for us in this division) but as you say it is essentially a poor start. Although if you'd said we'd be out of the relegation zone at this point I'd have been happy. | |
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