| Chris Kaba verdict 19:12 - Oct 21 with 28052 views | Zx1988 |
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c17lk592ygdo
Not sure what I make of this.
If, as the article perhaps suggests, the verdict hinged upon the testimony of Blake's fellow firearms officers, I feel a distinct sense of 'they would say that, wouldn't they'.
Is there any other scenario where, essentially, the corroborating testimony of one's chums would be enough to secure a not guilty verdict? |  |
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| Chris Kaba verdict on 13:49 - Oct 25 with 969 views | lowhouseblue |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 13:38 - Oct 25 by DJR |
As I've said before, my focus hasn't really be on this case, and I've tried to broaden the issue as suggested in your first proposition but nobody has taken me up.
However, I did make an observation on the video, given that these days such evidence is released after a trial.
But the video will only form part of the evidence and at no point have I said the jury was wrong to acquit.
What I did, say, however, is-
(a) that the CPS would not bring charges without regard to the evidence as they saw it,
(b) that the bringing of charges does not mean that the jury will convict,
(c) it seems to me that there will be a reluctance on the part of a jury to find an officer guilty, and
(d) the judge ruled that his "bad character" was not relevant to the case.
In addition, at no point have I mentioned the colour of a person's skin.
As regards the numbers killed by the police more generally, I pointed out that there were 41 cases since 2010 according to Wikipedia, and I also mentioned Blair Peach and John Charles de Menenez.
At the end of the day, and as a lawyer, I believe in justice but it seems to me that justice has been very difficult for the families of victims to obtain in certain cases. As a result, further tightening of the rules (apart from anonymity) in favour of the police seems to me to be going in the wrong direction. [Post edited 25 Oct 2024 14:44]
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it's very sweet that you think the cps is beyond criticism and is immune to political pressure or ideological bias. they say that all their decisions are objective and therefore you believe that all their decisions are objective. can you imagine if people were equally credulous about statements from the police? |  |
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| Chris Kaba verdict on 13:53 - Oct 25 with 944 views | DJR |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 13:49 - Oct 25 by lowhouseblue |
it's very sweet that you think the cps is beyond criticism and is immune to political pressure or ideological bias. they say that all their decisions are objective and therefore you believe that all their decisions are objective. can you imagine if people were equally credulous about statements from the police? |
I've made all the points I want to, and don't intend to make any more comments as things are just going round in circles, which perhaps explains why the thread is still going strong. |  | | |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 14:00 - Oct 25 with 893 views | blueasfook |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 11:48 - Oct 24 by Ryorry |
I didn't bump into them. |
Which do you think is the best Krays film? (There have been many made)
I think Legend where Tom Hardy plays both brothers. |  |
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| Chris Kaba verdict on 14:03 - Oct 25 with 889 views | lowhouseblue |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 13:53 - Oct 25 by DJR |
I've made all the points I want to, and don't intend to make any more comments as things are just going round in circles, which perhaps explains why the thread is still going strong. |
all you have done with respect to the cps is copy and paste their own published stated principles and said that 'this is what they say they do therefore this is exactly what they do.' you haven't then responded to any criticisms of that expression of blind faith in the cps. but fine, go off in a huff.
for me the cps is a very good thing and i have confidence it almost everything it does. but at the margin, with cases involving extreme political sensitivity and pressure, it is not completely immune to that pressure. i also don't doubt that it's staff, like other professionals and others in the public sector, are influenced by ideological crazes such as the blm furore. at the margin they may well find that their test of the probability of a conviction has a little flexibility when there is pressure or it's a current politically charged topic.
but i agree there's no point you copying and pasting their own statement of principles again and saying this is what they do. | |
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| Chris Kaba verdict on 15:39 - Oct 25 with 752 views | Vegtablue |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 13:38 - Oct 25 by DJR |
As I've said before, my focus hasn't really be on this case, and I've tried to broaden the issue as suggested in your first proposition but nobody has taken me up.
However, I did make an observation on the video, given that these days such evidence is released after a trial.
But the video will only form part of the evidence and at no point have I said the jury was wrong to acquit.
What I did, say, however, is-
(a) that the CPS would not bring charges without regard to the evidence as they saw it,
(b) that the bringing of charges does not mean that the jury will convict,
(c) it seems to me that there will be a reluctance on the part of a jury to find an officer guilty, and
(d) the judge ruled that his "bad character" was not relevant to the case.
In addition, at no point have I mentioned the colour of a person's skin.
As regards the numbers killed by the police more generally, I pointed out that there were 41 cases since 2010 according to Wikipedia, and I also mentioned Blair Peach and John Charles de Menenez.
At the end of the day, and as a lawyer, I believe in justice but it seems to me that justice has been very difficult for the families of victims to obtain in certain cases. As a result, further tightening of the rules (apart from anonymity) in favour of the police seems to me to be going in the wrong direction. [Post edited 25 Oct 2024 14:44]
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Thanks DJR, always interesting to read your thoughts. I wasn't seeking to inflame matters, it's just that I've read the first couple of pages on this thread a few times now and thought your summary maybe overlooked more specific comments on this case. And sorry if requesting you address previous thoughts amounted to going around in circles, I'd probably forgotten half the posts across 10 pages. Also I didn't mean to suggest you'd mentioned race; that element of my post was intended to address the contention made by others outside this thread, re the specific case and its wider context. | | | |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 21:37 - Oct 25 with 609 views | DJR |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 15:39 - Oct 25 by Vegtablue |
Thanks DJR, always interesting to read your thoughts. I wasn't seeking to inflame matters, it's just that I've read the first couple of pages on this thread a few times now and thought your summary maybe overlooked more specific comments on this case. And sorry if requesting you address previous thoughts amounted to going around in circles, I'd probably forgotten half the posts across 10 pages. Also I didn't mean to suggest you'd mentioned race; that element of my post was intended to address the contention made by others outside this thread, re the specific case and its wider context. |
Yours was a considered post, and my comment about going round in circles wasn't aimed at you. | | | |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 04:05 - Oct 26 with 501 views | Benters |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 12:22 - Oct 25 by lowhouseblue |
and if he hadn't attempted to murder someone in a night club the previous evening he wouldn't have been facing lengthy gaol time which is i guess why he used his car as a weapon in an attempt to get away. oh, what an innocent murder attempt can lead to. |
Well yes and that. |  |
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| Chris Kaba verdict on 07:29 - Oct 26 with 451 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 14:00 - Oct 25 by blueasfook |
Which do you think is the best Krays film? (There have been many made)
I think Legend where Tom Hardy plays both brothers. |
The Spandau Ballet one. |  |
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| Chris Kaba verdict on 07:51 - Oct 26 with 417 views | Benters |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 14:00 - Oct 25 by blueasfook |
Which do you think is the best Krays film? (There have been many made)
I think Legend where Tom Hardy plays both brothers. |
Yes I like that film | |
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