| Chris Kaba verdict 19:12 - Oct 21 with 28068 views | Zx1988 |
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c17lk592ygdo
Not sure what I make of this.
If, as the article perhaps suggests, the verdict hinged upon the testimony of Blake's fellow firearms officers, I feel a distinct sense of 'they would say that, wouldn't they'.
Is there any other scenario where, essentially, the corroborating testimony of one's chums would be enough to secure a not guilty verdict? |  |
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| Chris Kaba verdict on 22:09 - Oct 23 with 1283 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 21:52 - Oct 23 by baxterbasics |
A weasel statement from a weasel Mayor.
What an utter turd. |
Well your views on Khan are pretty clear... |  |
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| Chris Kaba verdict on 22:38 - Oct 23 with 1233 views | bournemouthblue |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 22:09 - Oct 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Well your views on Khan are pretty clear... |
Not exactly sitting on the fence are they |  |
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| Chris Kaba verdict on 22:43 - Oct 23 with 1212 views | Churchman |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 22:08 - Oct 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
As I said to you earlier (but you might've missed it): I don't see anything wrong with his statement there. He needs to support the decision whilst also not inflaming tensions, so has to be very careful with his words (re: the black community).
At worst it's a politician's answer, trying to appease everyone. There will be people in the black community, who don't like him, saying it favours the police. People who don't like Khan pick over his words to find what they want. |
I’ve been out much of the afternoon and evening and haven’t been thorough in reading all the posts (that’s my excuse). You are probably right - I am certainly no politician but have seen first hand how the mould words and phrases to suit purposes.
One point of interest is that he ‘respects’ the decision. He doesn’t say that he supports it.
As for choosing words, I’d like to see the same words used for all people, not selective sensitivity. One law, one set of words, one justice system. No treading carefully for the Cylons or any other community. You tread carefully for all. |  | | |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 22:47 - Oct 23 with 1206 views | bournemouthblue |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 22:43 - Oct 23 by Churchman |
I’ve been out much of the afternoon and evening and haven’t been thorough in reading all the posts (that’s my excuse). You are probably right - I am certainly no politician but have seen first hand how the mould words and phrases to suit purposes.
One point of interest is that he ‘respects’ the decision. He doesn’t say that he supports it.
As for choosing words, I’d like to see the same words used for all people, not selective sensitivity. One law, one set of words, one justice system. No treading carefully for the Cylons or any other community. You tread carefully for all. |
He's treading carefully because he is the mayor of London
The right wing don't like him because 1) He is Muslim 2) He is a Labour Mayor 3) Various other axes to grind
There's so many right wing conspiracies against him which the grifters continually push to agitate their base | |
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| Chris Kaba verdict on 04:40 - Oct 24 with 1112 views | Benters |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 22:47 - Oct 23 by bournemouthblue |
He's treading carefully because he is the mayor of London
The right wing don't like him because 1) He is Muslim 2) He is a Labour Mayor 3) Various other axes to grind
There's so many right wing conspiracies against him which the grifters continually push to agitate their base |
I don’t like him I didn’t like him on Star Trek either.
London was such a beautiful place to visit in the 1970s,now its a poo hole. |  |
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| Chris Kaba verdict on 07:04 - Oct 24 with 1076 views | bournemouthblue |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 04:40 - Oct 24 by Benters |
I don’t like him I didn’t like him on Star Trek either.
London was such a beautiful place to visit in the 1970s,now its a poo hole. |
And you blame Sadiq Khan for that and not 14 years of Tory government? | |
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| Chris Kaba verdict on 07:33 - Oct 24 with 1062 views | Churchman |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 04:40 - Oct 24 by Benters |
I don’t like him I didn’t like him on Star Trek either.
London was such a beautiful place to visit in the 1970s,now its a poo hole. |
I liked him in Star Trek. Best ever baddie:
‘We are one big, happy fleet! Ah, Kirk, my old friend, do you know the Klingon proverb that tells us revenge is a dish that is best served cold? It is very cold in space!’
Personally think he is pretty rubbish as London Mayor though, compared to say Andy Burnham in Manchester, and London has noticeably declined since the Olympics. As for ULEZ zones, don’t get me started on that! Where does the in excess of £220m go (2022 figure)?
Back to the justice system, I certainly agree with Bournemouth on that. The neglect, incompetence and mess left by the last government is staggering. A former work chum worked in the Petty France HO and boy did he have some tales to tell. If reports are right and Reeves wants 20% savings from it, god knows where it’s coming from. | | | |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 07:47 - Oct 24 with 1026 views | tcblue |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 07:33 - Oct 24 by Churchman |
I liked him in Star Trek. Best ever baddie:
‘We are one big, happy fleet! Ah, Kirk, my old friend, do you know the Klingon proverb that tells us revenge is a dish that is best served cold? It is very cold in space!’
Personally think he is pretty rubbish as London Mayor though, compared to say Andy Burnham in Manchester, and London has noticeably declined since the Olympics. As for ULEZ zones, don’t get me started on that! Where does the in excess of £220m go (2022 figure)?
Back to the justice system, I certainly agree with Bournemouth on that. The neglect, incompetence and mess left by the last government is staggering. A former work chum worked in the Petty France HO and boy did he have some tales to tell. If reports are right and Reeves wants 20% savings from it, god knows where it’s coming from. |
The proceeds from the ULEZ fines / revenue go into public transport improvements. That's not exactly a secret. | | | |
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| Chris Kaba verdict on 08:01 - Oct 24 with 991 views | Benters |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 07:04 - Oct 24 by bournemouthblue |
And you blame Sadiq Khan for that and not 14 years of Tory government? |
Yes. | |
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| Chris Kaba verdict on 08:04 - Oct 24 with 982 views | bournemouthblue |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 08:01 - Oct 24 by Benters |
Yes. |
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| Chris Kaba verdict on 08:06 - Oct 24 with 978 views | Benters |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 07:33 - Oct 24 by Churchman |
I liked him in Star Trek. Best ever baddie:
‘We are one big, happy fleet! Ah, Kirk, my old friend, do you know the Klingon proverb that tells us revenge is a dish that is best served cold? It is very cold in space!’
Personally think he is pretty rubbish as London Mayor though, compared to say Andy Burnham in Manchester, and London has noticeably declined since the Olympics. As for ULEZ zones, don’t get me started on that! Where does the in excess of £220m go (2022 figure)?
Back to the justice system, I certainly agree with Bournemouth on that. The neglect, incompetence and mess left by the last government is staggering. A former work chum worked in the Petty France HO and boy did he have some tales to tell. If reports are right and Reeves wants 20% savings from it, god knows where it’s coming from. |
Oh definitely he was a great baddie,and their starships looked the dogs.
The Mayor of London is a horrid little man. | |
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| Chris Kaba verdict on 08:10 - Oct 24 with 973 views | bournemouthblue |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 08:06 - Oct 24 by Benters |
Oh definitely he was a great baddie,and their starships looked the dogs.
The Mayor of London is a horrid little man. |
Come on then, explain your reasons | |
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| Chris Kaba verdict on 08:59 - Oct 24 with 944 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 22:43 - Oct 23 by Churchman |
I’ve been out much of the afternoon and evening and haven’t been thorough in reading all the posts (that’s my excuse). You are probably right - I am certainly no politician but have seen first hand how the mould words and phrases to suit purposes.
One point of interest is that he ‘respects’ the decision. He doesn’t say that he supports it.
As for choosing words, I’d like to see the same words used for all people, not selective sensitivity. One law, one set of words, one justice system. No treading carefully for the Cylons or any other community. You tread carefully for all. |
Again, he has to say "respects'. Firstly, he wasn't on the jury so isn't privy to all the evidence. Secondly, if he says "supports" he'll piss off large swathes of ethnic minorities (let's not forget he is one) who also don't know all the facts, but do know another young black man has been killed by the police.
It's not a case of having different systems for different communities, it's just a very sensitive topic at a very sensitive time. You and me can say the decision was correct and Kaba was a wrong-un, but no-one cares what we say. If the mayor of London says it he risks starting riots. | |
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| Chris Kaba verdict on 09:10 - Oct 24 with 907 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 04:40 - Oct 24 by Benters |
I don’t like him I didn’t like him on Star Trek either.
London was such a beautiful place to visit in the 1970s,now its a poo hole. |
Ha, you're talking absolute bobbins again Benters. Come to Crystal Palace, it's lovely here. My family came down recently to visit and they were amazed at how "leafy" it was. We have literally two woodland walks on our road. One of them leads to a chocolate shop that has a menu of hot chocolates like a wine menu - from different countries, different beans and strengths of cacao etc. Truly wonderful. I bet you've never heard of such a thing let alone tried it.
I could name you loads of other lovely places and great things to do.
London, like any major city, has plenty of bad bits. But plenty of great stuff too.
Like your views on decent food and rucksacks; because you haven't experienced it your ignorance tells you it's cr@p. | |
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| Chris Kaba verdict on 09:13 - Oct 24 with 898 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 07:33 - Oct 24 by Churchman |
I liked him in Star Trek. Best ever baddie:
‘We are one big, happy fleet! Ah, Kirk, my old friend, do you know the Klingon proverb that tells us revenge is a dish that is best served cold? It is very cold in space!’
Personally think he is pretty rubbish as London Mayor though, compared to say Andy Burnham in Manchester, and London has noticeably declined since the Olympics. As for ULEZ zones, don’t get me started on that! Where does the in excess of £220m go (2022 figure)?
Back to the justice system, I certainly agree with Bournemouth on that. The neglect, incompetence and mess left by the last government is staggering. A former work chum worked in the Petty France HO and boy did he have some tales to tell. If reports are right and Reeves wants 20% savings from it, god knows where it’s coming from. |
Re: ULEZ, you'd rather more children were dying from pollution?
And do you have a car that's more than 12 years old anyway (as pretty much everything else qualifies to avoid the charge)? | |
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| Chris Kaba verdict on 09:18 - Oct 24 with 886 views | lowhouseblue |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 04:40 - Oct 24 by Benters |
I don’t like him I didn’t like him on Star Trek either.
London was such a beautiful place to visit in the 1970s,now its a poo hole. |
the great thing about re-runs of series like the sweeney is that you get to see again london in the 1970s. it really was a grim, grimy place still pock marked by bomb sites and industrial decline. 'beautiful' it was not. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Chris Kaba verdict on 09:23 - Oct 24 with 869 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 09:18 - Oct 24 by lowhouseblue |
the great thing about re-runs of series like the sweeney is that you get to see again london in the 1970s. it really was a grim, grimy place still pock marked by bomb sites and industrial decline. 'beautiful' it was not. |
Don’t you get nostalgic thinking about “George Davis Is Innocent” being painted all over the walls and railway bridges of east London? |  |
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| Chris Kaba verdict on 09:25 - Oct 24 with 855 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 09:18 - Oct 24 by lowhouseblue |
the great thing about re-runs of series like the sweeney is that you get to see again london in the 1970s. it really was a grim, grimy place still pock marked by bomb sites and industrial decline. 'beautiful' it was not. |
Benters lives in a cartoon world where the train drivers push a button that says "Go" and sit back and read the paper, while the postmen all have black and white cats and there's bobbies on the beat who give you a clip round the ear for saying boo to a goose. I sometimes wonder if he's on mushrooms. | |
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| Chris Kaba verdict on 09:26 - Oct 24 with 856 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 08:01 - Oct 24 by Benters |
Yes. |
Not a fan of London Benters? I love it. | |
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| Chris Kaba verdict on 09:28 - Oct 24 with 842 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 09:26 - Oct 24 by GlasgowBlue |
Not a fan of London Benters? I love it. |
I bet he's experienced a tiny fraction of it in recent years, at best. | |
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| Chris Kaba verdict on 09:31 - Oct 24 with 839 views | lowhouseblue |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 09:23 - Oct 24 by GlasgowBlue |
Don’t you get nostalgic thinking about “George Davis Is Innocent” being painted all over the walls and railway bridges of east London? |
today they would have been preserved for their historical and social significance. i obviously only knew it as a kid, and i do feel nostalgic, but even then i could see that it was a bit of a sh*t hole. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Chris Kaba verdict on 09:36 - Oct 24 with 811 views | DJR |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 09:10 - Oct 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Ha, you're talking absolute bobbins again Benters. Come to Crystal Palace, it's lovely here. My family came down recently to visit and they were amazed at how "leafy" it was. We have literally two woodland walks on our road. One of them leads to a chocolate shop that has a menu of hot chocolates like a wine menu - from different countries, different beans and strengths of cacao etc. Truly wonderful. I bet you've never heard of such a thing let alone tried it.
I could name you loads of other lovely places and great things to do.
London, like any major city, has plenty of bad bits. But plenty of great stuff too.
Like your views on decent food and rucksacks; because you haven't experienced it your ignorance tells you it's cr@p. |
You do, however, have to be careful of the dinosaurs in Crystal Palace Park. |  | | |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 10:02 - Oct 24 with 773 views | Churchman |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 07:47 - Oct 24 by tcblue |
The proceeds from the ULEZ fines / revenue go into public transport improvements. That's not exactly a secret. |
You clearly weren’t travelling in, out and around London on Sunday then. Anyway, this and Mr Khan (who always strikes me as a man who enjoys the smell of his own f@rts) is for another thread. My fault for raising it - apols. | | | |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 10:36 - Oct 24 with 734 views | Churchman |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 08:59 - Oct 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Again, he has to say "respects'. Firstly, he wasn't on the jury so isn't privy to all the evidence. Secondly, if he says "supports" he'll piss off large swathes of ethnic minorities (let's not forget he is one) who also don't know all the facts, but do know another young black man has been killed by the police.
It's not a case of having different systems for different communities, it's just a very sensitive topic at a very sensitive time. You and me can say the decision was correct and Kaba was a wrong-un, but no-one cares what we say. If the mayor of London says it he risks starting riots. |
In practical terms, ok maybe he does. Or could he have said on the basis of the evidence the independent Jury came to the correct decision? Too inflammatory? But I repeat, I don’t see colour and anyone who knows me will tell you that. Any form of ‘ism’ isn’t acceptable in my earshot.
Tiptoeing round ‘ethnic minorities’ points towards having different systems for different communities and different people. It also makes the police’s job harder. Yes I understand what the police have got up to in the past only too well having known enough of them and worked in SE15 area for a couple of years and that’s unacceptable. Has that changed? Is it changing? I hope so. It has too.
Maybe saying it as it is and breaking open a sensitive topic like this is the way forward? But it’ll never happen and rightly so for the reasons you give.
My views on this are very idealistic and pretty impractical. There’s a reason why I could never be a politician or Mayor - I wouldn’t last a minute😃. But there is nothing wrong with being clear on right and wrong and in this instance I presume there is right in the decision (DJR and people with expertise are better qualified to comment) but I see a lot of wrong in how it was done, not least the impact on the officer and his family.
I repeat, one set of rules for all! | | | |
| Chris Kaba on 10:41 - Oct 24 with 718 views | Benters |
| Chris Kaba verdict on 09:10 - Oct 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Ha, you're talking absolute bobbins again Benters. Come to Crystal Palace, it's lovely here. My family came down recently to visit and they were amazed at how "leafy" it was. We have literally two woodland walks on our road. One of them leads to a chocolate shop that has a menu of hot chocolates like a wine menu - from different countries, different beans and strengths of cacao etc. Truly wonderful. I bet you've never heard of such a thing let alone tried it.
I could name you loads of other lovely places and great things to do.
London, like any major city, has plenty of bad bits. But plenty of great stuff too.
Like your views on decent food and rucksacks; because you haven't experienced it your ignorance tells you it's cr@p. |
That does sound rather nice,I must admit yes.
Can I go to The Hamilton Hall first though ? | |
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