| Labour hates hard working people 13:54 - Nov 1 with 9339 views | onceablue |
What is the point in working hard all your life to obtain a decent standard of living.
All I wanted to do was work hard so we can make sure the kids are ok and the Labour goverment decide now even pensions are include in inheritance tax.
So everything I have worked hard for the government will take 40% of it back when I die when I have already paid tax on it
If the NHS is in such a bad state why didnt they put a penny or 2 on income tax and state this money is specifically for that purpose. They didn’t do it because they don’t want any Labour voters being affected by their Budget.
Everyone wants a decent NHS as we will all end up using it
Basically Labour demand all the people that don’t vote for them carry the majority of the Burden of the Country
This budget will destroy any growth for the Country even the OBR have down rated Labour growth predictions.
They have hit Employers hard which will mean eventually employees suffer which mean people will stop spending money and any growth will be impossible
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| Labour hates hard working people on 14:18 - Nov 1 with 1338 views | WeWereZombies |
| Labour hates hard working people on 14:11 - Nov 1 by onceablue |
Are you saying you don’t put your family first.
I am proud I support my family and have bought them up to work hard and not rely on anyone else for financial support ie, the government.
I can assure you I donate monthly to charities as well
Can I make a suggestion everyone on this website donates at least £10 to a charity every month I suggest something like Cancer research this will have a massive effect on the NHS |
My family are a pain in the butt, I would tax them double and set a nuts nipping hound onto them if I was Chancellor...but the they would just come cap in hand to me to bail them out. |  |
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| Labour hates hard working people on 14:19 - Nov 1 with 1332 views | onceablue |
| Labour hates hard working people on 14:17 - Nov 1 by nodge_blue |
Unless you were thinking you might die before 70 then they pensions already were subject to IHT. |
It’s 75 | | | |
| Labour hates hard working people on 14:19 - Nov 1 with 1331 views | Tonytown |
| Labour hates hard working people on 14:13 - Nov 1 by giant_stow |
how do you know many aren't already doing that? Or volunteering? Or even arguing for inheritance tax changes which will hit them personally?
Have a think mr.... |
That doesn’t suit the op’s narrative.
I had a discussion with my new Labour MP the other day arguing that taxes on people like me should go up to fund better services and to keep the winter fuel allowance for pensioners who are normal rate tax payers. | | | |
| Labour hates hard working people on 14:20 - Nov 1 with 1327 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Labour hates hard working people on 14:11 - Nov 1 by onceablue |
Are you saying you don’t put your family first.
I am proud I support my family and have bought them up to work hard and not rely on anyone else for financial support ie, the government.
I can assure you I donate monthly to charities as well
Can I make a suggestion everyone on this website donates at least £10 to a charity every month I suggest something like Cancer research this will have a massive effect on the NHS |
1. Of course I put my family first. You can support the betterment of the whole country while also putting your family first.
2. The idea that hard work is all you need and you'll never have to rely on benefits (although why this has come up I've no idea, we weren't talking about benefits) is old fashioned, silly and just not true.
3. I have no evidence you donate monthly to charities but it seems unlikely seeing as you want to avoid taxes that help run the country you live in and benefit from. |  |
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| Labour hates hard working people on 14:22 - Nov 1 with 1301 views | SaleAway |
The argument against IHT is that it is taxing money that has already been taxed. Pensions are saved before tax, so its not unreasonable that any money left in them is subject to tax.
You say that you want to make sure your kids are ok. If you and your spouse ( assuming that you marry) utilise spousal exemption and the nil rate main residence band, you can essentially leave 1 million pounds to your kids without paying inheritance tax. I think they'll be fine with that. | |
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| Labour hates hard working people on 14:22 - Nov 1 with 1298 views | WeWereZombies |
| Labour hates hard working people on 14:18 - Nov 1 by BlueBadger |
As a liberterian, my tenner a month will do much for for public services than actually paying to fund services. |
If you were a true Libertarian you would pledge that tenner to be donated as some future, as yet to be specified, date. | |
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| Labour hates hard working people on 14:24 - Nov 1 with 1282 views | BlueBadger |
| Labour hates hard working people on 14:04 - Nov 1 by onceablue |
Here we go here come all the labour voters
The lovely people who no doubt give half their earnings away to all sorts of different charities do voluntary work for lots of different organisations |
You've only got yourself to blame here. If you wanted superb services without having to pay for them, you should have tried harder to marry a member of the royal family. |  |
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| Labour hates hard working people on 14:27 - Nov 1 with 1254 views | BillyH |
Maybe you should have worked harder. |  |
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| Labour hates hard working people on 14:29 - Nov 1 with 1223 views | Freddies_Ears |
| Labour hates hard working people on 14:04 - Nov 1 by onceablue |
Here we go here come all the labour voters
The lovely people who no doubt give half their earnings away to all sorts of different charities do voluntary work for lots of different organisations |
Yep, there are a few of us on here... | | | |
| Labour hates hard working people on 14:31 - Nov 1 with 1205 views | baxterbasics |
I don't think it's fair to say they hate working people. But it certainly is a problem that not many in government have experienced the daily grind of trying to make ends meet. Or have built up and run a business in the private sector. Too many lifelong 'public servants' that only know the bubble.
Obviously similar accusations apply to the last lot too - it's a problem in politics all over. |  |
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| Labour hates hard working people on 14:33 - Nov 1 with 1168 views | WeWereZombies |
| Labour hates hard working people on 14:31 - Nov 1 by baxterbasics |
I don't think it's fair to say they hate working people. But it certainly is a problem that not many in government have experienced the daily grind of trying to make ends meet. Or have built up and run a business in the private sector. Too many lifelong 'public servants' that only know the bubble.
Obviously similar accusations apply to the last lot too - it's a problem in politics all over. |
But do they hate families ? I want to know if I wasted my vote giving it to a load of soppy wet wipes who have those 'Love' and 'Family Is Everything' wall decorations up that they got from their last visit to Dunelm. | |
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| Labour hates hard working people on 14:34 - Nov 1 with 1170 views | SaleAway |
Out of interest, if Labour had put 1 or 2 p on income tax, as you requested in your original post. How is that not punishing hard working people?
Are you still working, or have you retired? ( just checking if you're one of the hard working people that you're worried about?) | |
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| Labour hates hard working people on 14:34 - Nov 1 with 1160 views | RadioOrwell |
Asked and answered by yourself in the first sentence.
"to obtain a decent standard of living" |  | | |
| Labour hates hard working people on 14:35 - Nov 1 with 1160 views | Zx1988 |
| Labour hates hard working people on 14:14 - Nov 1 by Tonytown |
Until yesterday you could buy land and avoid inheritance tax too, which is a loophole that has been closed. That’s why Clarkson is angry, as he was simply looking to avoid tax as well as sell a TV show |
That's the joy of this budget - scratch the surface of the policies that, at face value, aren't particularly pleasant (IHT on farms and pensions) and you see that they don't massively affect the majority of people, and mainly hit the wealthy who've been using them as an IHT loophole for many years. | |
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| Labour hates hard working people on 14:35 - Nov 1 with 1148 views | BlueBadger |
| Labour hates hard working people on 14:12 - Nov 1 by homer_123 |
You political persuasion wouldn't stop you doing either of those things. |
OP's political persuasion appears to be 'selfish c**t' though, so sadly, it does. | |
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| Labour hates hard working people on 14:38 - Nov 1 with 1123 views | baxterbasics |
| Labour hates hard working people on 14:33 - Nov 1 by WeWereZombies |
But do they hate families ? I want to know if I wasted my vote giving it to a load of soppy wet wipes who have those 'Love' and 'Family Is Everything' wall decorations up that they got from their last visit to Dunelm. |
My serious answer to that: it would be nice if government gave more attention to promoting and supporting secure family structures. Because few things are adding to the welfare burden, educational difficulties, crime rates ... and so on.. like broken and dysfunctional families do.
But this is straying a little from the OP now. | |
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| Labour hates hard working people on 14:44 - Nov 1 with 1079 views | WeWereZombies |
| Labour hates hard working people on 14:38 - Nov 1 by baxterbasics |
My serious answer to that: it would be nice if government gave more attention to promoting and supporting secure family structures. Because few things are adding to the welfare burden, educational difficulties, crime rates ... and so on.. like broken and dysfunctional families do.
But this is straying a little from the OP now. |
And to continue straying from the OP but making a serious point this time, there are millions of single people, or people in casual relationships who have perfectly functional lives, contribute to society and provide support, both moral and financial, to others but who are never acknowledged or given special emphasis by politicians and media. Probably because they are rarely a burden upon the state. | |
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| Labour hates hard working people on 14:47 - Nov 1 with 1062 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Labour hates hard working people on 14:34 - Nov 1 by SaleAway |
Out of interest, if Labour had put 1 or 2 p on income tax, as you requested in your original post. How is that not punishing hard working people?
Are you still working, or have you retired? ( just checking if you're one of the hard working people that you're worried about?) |
If they'd done that he'd have come on here and started a very similar thread with just a few of the words changed. | |
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| Labour hates hard working people on 14:50 - Nov 1 with 1040 views | trncbluearmy |
Why us there a thread on the football thread about the lying,fist fighting,arrogant,ticket touting scum |  | | |
| Labour hates hard working people on 14:52 - Nov 1 with 1014 views | homer_123 |
| Labour hates hard working people on 14:35 - Nov 1 by BlueBadger |
OP's political persuasion appears to be 'selfish c**t' though, so sadly, it does. |
oooooffffff |  |
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| Labour hates hard working people on 15:01 - Nov 1 with 983 views | BlueBadger |
| Labour hates hard working people on 14:38 - Nov 1 by baxterbasics |
My serious answer to that: it would be nice if government gave more attention to promoting and supporting secure family structures. Because few things are adding to the welfare burden, educational difficulties, crime rates ... and so on.. like broken and dysfunctional families do.
But this is straying a little from the OP now. |
....so looking at revenue streams to shore up schools, childcare, health services, community services, public transport?
In short, reversing everything that the Tories did to public services that directly support families for the last 14 years? | |
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| Labour hates hard working people on 15:02 - Nov 1 with 986 views | Dubtractor |
Credit where it's due, you're putting in the hours on this regular feature of having a cry about labour.
Also, on topic, by not having kids I've devised the perfect cheat to avoid them paying tax on whatever inheritance I would otherwise be giving.
Clever eh? [Post edited 1 Nov 2024 15:08]
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| Labour hates hard working people on 15:02 - Nov 1 with 987 views | billlm |
What a country
You earn, pay tax on it
You pay into it a pension for your future
Allowing for the 25% tax free which is your money in the first place,
You then pay tax on the rest,
Then you die and if you have any left of wait your dependants are taxed on it,
This generation I can see why there's no incentive to save, someone will look after them at the end, the government without paying taxes, |  | | |
| Labour hates hard working people on 15:06 - Nov 1 with 968 views | homer_123 |
| Labour hates hard working people on 15:02 - Nov 1 by billlm |
What a country
You earn, pay tax on it
You pay into it a pension for your future
Allowing for the 25% tax free which is your money in the first place,
You then pay tax on the rest,
Then you die and if you have any left of wait your dependants are taxed on it,
This generation I can see why there's no incentive to save, someone will look after them at the end, the government without paying taxes, |
The counter argument is that 'your' pension pot has benefitted considerably from your being able to pay into tax free (makes a huge difference from a 'compound' perspective).
Yep, you get your 25% tax free and potentially pay tax on the rest.
Now, the rub, your descendants are then benefitting from whatever is 'left' - which for the majority, isn't going to be huge, if any at all. But in effect, they haven't done 'anything' to earn that money, 'you' did. So, tax on that small amount doesn't seem overly harsh. | |
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| Labour hates hard working people on 15:12 - Nov 1 with 928 views | billlm |
| Labour hates hard working people on 14:19 - Nov 1 by Tonytown |
That doesn’t suit the op’s narrative.
I had a discussion with my new Labour MP the other day arguing that taxes on people like me should go up to fund better services and to keep the winter fuel allowance for pensioners who are normal rate tax payers. |
One thing any government should do is give back the UC the responsibility of paying councils housing association and landlords the housing costs out of individuals responsibilities as a lot pay a little or none of there monthly UC to the above resulting in a lot of lost revenue and ending up in many unpaid debts, monies is spent on them and luxuries,
Why the old system where your rent was automatically paid and you got the rest of your benefits beggers belief,
Probably human rights,
Just sad that thousands get in debt over housing when it use to be so easy, | | | |
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