| Warning - some Care Homes 07:08 - Nov 2 with 5595 views | onceablue |
Are saying with the new NI Tax hike and increase in minimum wage they may be forced to close
GP’s are stating their services may also be affected by Job losses.
You didn’t really think this through did you Rachael - This really isn’t going to help the NHS
The Labour Party strikes again
Easier in opposition hey Kier!!!!! |  | | |  |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 07:16 - Nov 2 with 3536 views | Zx1988 |
Remember when employers claimed that the introduction of a National Minimum Wage would force them to lay off millions?
Remember when that never actually happened?
Wealthy business owners love throwing their weight around and scaremongering when it's suggested that they might want to pay their way every now and then. | |
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| Warning - some Care Homes on 07:20 - Nov 2 with 3513 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 07:16 - Nov 2 by Zx1988 |
Remember when employers claimed that the introduction of a National Minimum Wage would force them to lay off millions?
Remember when that never actually happened?
Wealthy business owners love throwing their weight around and scaremongering when it's suggested that they might want to pay their way every now and then. |
Do you class GP surgeries as “wealthy business owners”?
Kamila Hawthorne, the chair of the Royal College of GPs, called on ministers to protect family doctor services. “We have very serious concerns about the impact of the increase in national insurance employer contributions on GP practices right across the country, many of whom are already struggling to keep their doors open and make ends meet due to historic chronic underfunding,” she said.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/nov/01/ministers-urged-to-protect-gp-pr
The Liberal Democrat leader, Ed Davey, has called for social care providers to be exempt from the NICs rises, while the Labour backbencher Rachael Maskell called on ministers to consider the impact of the increase on GPs, care providers and hospices.
Ed Davey. Bloody Tory scaremongering. |  |
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| Warning - some Care Homes on 07:22 - Nov 2 with 3509 views | mo_itfc |
I wouldn't worry about this too much
It's just the rich being bitter that they have to pay for to repair the damage done to public services for the last 14 years.
They will get over it. | |
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| Warning - some Care Homes on 07:24 - Nov 2 with 3498 views | bsw72 |
Imagine having a gvmt trying to sort out and address the problems in health and social care in this country. |  | | |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 07:34 - Nov 2 with 3444 views | onceablue |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 07:16 - Nov 2 by Zx1988 |
Remember when employers claimed that the introduction of a National Minimum Wage would force them to lay off millions?
Remember when that never actually happened?
Wealthy business owners love throwing their weight around and scaremongering when it's suggested that they might want to pay their way every now and then. |
I get it the Doctors and care homes are lying.
I think I would trust the word of my Local GP over Rachael Reeves every day of the week.
Did you realise only 7 labour MP’s have experience of running a Business
Labour are the fantasy Party but in reality their polices just don’t work and this will be proven | | | |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 07:42 - Nov 2 with 3369 views | Mullet |
Are you going to have a daily cry on here about things that haven’t happened? We get you loved watching the country fall to pieces while you applauded. Some of us are actually patriots though and want to make it better for those most in need. |  |
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| Warning - some Care Homes on 07:44 - Nov 2 with 3349 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 07:42 - Nov 2 by Mullet |
Are you going to have a daily cry on here about things that haven’t happened? We get you loved watching the country fall to pieces while you applauded. Some of us are actually patriots though and want to make it better for those most in need. |
Regardless of the op’s political views, do you believe that social care providers should be exempt from the NICs rises in order to protect these vital services? | |
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| Warning - some Care Homes on 07:51 - Nov 2 with 3278 views | Help |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 07:34 - Nov 2 by onceablue |
I get it the Doctors and care homes are lying.
I think I would trust the word of my Local GP over Rachael Reeves every day of the week.
Did you realise only 7 labour MP’s have experience of running a Business
Labour are the fantasy Party but in reality their polices just don’t work and this will be proven |
Did you realise only 7 labour MP’s have experience of running a Business
And what has that got do with anything.
Should only previous or current business owners be members of a political party or MP's?? |  |
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| Warning - some Care Homes on 07:54 - Nov 2 with 3232 views | mikeybloo88 |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 07:22 - Nov 2 by mo_itfc |
I wouldn't worry about this too much
It's just the rich being bitter that they have to pay for to repair the damage done to public services for the last 14 years.
They will get over it. |
Ah, the socialist mantra which has been readily trotted out this week...anyone who dares to suggest there could be sone flaws in that budget is simply rich and bitter. |  | | |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 07:55 - Nov 2 with 3222 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 07:51 - Nov 2 by Help |
Did you realise only 7 labour MP’s have experience of running a Business
And what has that got do with anything.
Should only previous or current business owners be members of a political party or MP's?? |
Under the Tories, they don’t need to.
Their friends in high places ensure they get contracts worth hundreds of millions without actually having to do anything. |  |
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| Warning - some Care Homes on 07:55 - Nov 2 with 3221 views | mikeybloo88 |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 07:24 - Nov 2 by bsw72 |
Imagine having a gvmt trying to sort out and address the problems in health and social care in this country. |
I’m still trying to imagine it, yes... | | | |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 08:03 - Nov 2 with 3187 views | Mullet |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 07:44 - Nov 2 by GlasgowBlue |
Regardless of the op’s political views, do you believe that social care providers should be exempt from the NICs rises in order to protect these vital services? |
I think it depends - my mum was a carer for years. Over that time the home changed hands a few times and the level of care over profit was variable I’d say.
The fact we can’t care for our own is down to the same as so many other areas, greed. That means a really costly and inefficient means test is the fairest way to determine that. We can’t really afford some sort of domesday project of every service unfortunately.
I think as with schools, if homes are failing because of how they are run, they should be able to ask for help/intervention to stop the users suffering too much. If Reeves has got her sums massively wrong, then she should be able and allowed by the public to adjust them. The op demonstrates why that can’t happen though.
As with the rest of the thread rich people telling us we are all going to suffer because they are seems to be a recurrent theme though. | |
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| Warning - some Care Homes on 08:03 - Nov 2 with 3184 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 07:20 - Nov 2 by GlasgowBlue |
Do you class GP surgeries as “wealthy business owners”?
Kamila Hawthorne, the chair of the Royal College of GPs, called on ministers to protect family doctor services. “We have very serious concerns about the impact of the increase in national insurance employer contributions on GP practices right across the country, many of whom are already struggling to keep their doors open and make ends meet due to historic chronic underfunding,” she said.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/nov/01/ministers-urged-to-protect-gp-pr
The Liberal Democrat leader, Ed Davey, has called for social care providers to be exempt from the NICs rises, while the Labour backbencher Rachael Maskell called on ministers to consider the impact of the increase on GPs, care providers and hospices.
Ed Davey. Bloody Tory scaremongering. |
Ed Davey has a vslid point. While the NHS is exempt from paying the increased employer NI those companies that provide services to NHS are not. That presumably includes every GP group, and everyone working in hospitals and not being paid directly by NHS.
The devil is in the detail. |  |
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| Warning - some Care Homes on 08:05 - Nov 2 with 3170 views | norfsufblue |
Imagine not wanting to pay somebody a living wage ( in really challenging times for healthcare) as decent and living wage!..... it just annoys me that nobody wants to pay any tax at all but want every conceivable benefit from every area of government responsibilities. |  | | |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 08:07 - Nov 2 with 3136 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
How did you react when the conservatives raised employer nic to 15.05% ? |  |
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| Warning - some Care Homes on 08:07 - Nov 2 with 3129 views | onceablue |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 07:51 - Nov 2 by Help |
Did you realise only 7 labour MP’s have experience of running a Business
And what has that got do with anything.
Should only previous or current business owners be members of a political party or MP's?? |
Are you serious?
Being in Government is very similar to running a business.
They collect money from members of the public and decide what to do with it.
If you wanted to Invest some money and visited a financial advisor and his reply was I have never really done this before but I will give a go would you have confidence in them?
If I was Kier Starmer or the PM of any political party I would get the best Business minds around a table and ask them how we make this country work.
Unfortunately most of the Political Parties are too arrogant to do this and think they know best and so we have this continual problem of balancing the books regardless of who is in power | | | |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 08:21 - Nov 2 with 3037 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 08:03 - Nov 2 by Mullet |
I think it depends - my mum was a carer for years. Over that time the home changed hands a few times and the level of care over profit was variable I’d say.
The fact we can’t care for our own is down to the same as so many other areas, greed. That means a really costly and inefficient means test is the fairest way to determine that. We can’t really afford some sort of domesday project of every service unfortunately.
I think as with schools, if homes are failing because of how they are run, they should be able to ask for help/intervention to stop the users suffering too much. If Reeves has got her sums massively wrong, then she should be able and allowed by the public to adjust them. The op demonstrates why that can’t happen though.
As with the rest of the thread rich people telling us we are all going to suffer because they are seems to be a recurrent theme though. |
There is an argument to be had regarding private care homes, though it’s not one I would debate in favour of. However, I don’t think there is regarding GP surgeries. The should be exempt from the rise in NIC’s. | |
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| Warning - some Care Homes on 08:25 - Nov 2 with 2997 views | onceablue |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 08:03 - Nov 2 by Mullet |
I think it depends - my mum was a carer for years. Over that time the home changed hands a few times and the level of care over profit was variable I’d say.
The fact we can’t care for our own is down to the same as so many other areas, greed. That means a really costly and inefficient means test is the fairest way to determine that. We can’t really afford some sort of domesday project of every service unfortunately.
I think as with schools, if homes are failing because of how they are run, they should be able to ask for help/intervention to stop the users suffering too much. If Reeves has got her sums massively wrong, then she should be able and allowed by the public to adjust them. The op demonstrates why that can’t happen though.
As with the rest of the thread rich people telling us we are all going to suffer because they are seems to be a recurrent theme though. |
Do you honestly think Rachael Reeve or any politician would now come forward admit she has got it wrong and ask to adjust the figures. | | | |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 08:27 - Nov 2 with 2955 views | Mullet |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 08:21 - Nov 2 by GlasgowBlue |
There is an argument to be had regarding private care homes, though it’s not one I would debate in favour of. However, I don’t think there is regarding GP surgeries. The should be exempt from the rise in NIC’s. |
Possibly, it depends on whether or not they can genuinely function or have been mismanaged etc. I don’t know the extent of GP surgeries who are run to maximise profits etc.
My local one seems to struggle to retain GPs because the money being a locum is so high it’s a better deal. That needs to change massively. Whereas in Suffolk you are less likely to get young GPs as people who move there are likely to be older and looking to retire there.
There is so much mess to fix under the Tories that it’s not going to be an easy or clear path. Health care is vital and probably requires the most exceptions because you can’t simply nationalise it overnight. | |
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| Warning - some Care Homes on 08:31 - Nov 2 with 2907 views | Lord_Lucan |
As a very small company, the rate of employer's NI contributions will lead to us lay off one person, and I can see this happening elsewhere.
However, the care industry pays the lowest pay for the most challenging of jobs (that no one wants to do) whilst at the same time charging up to £2,000 or more a week per resident.
I think actually, it should be law that care workers and possibly NHS staff on the floor, should be given a higher level of minimum wage. |  |
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| Warning - some Care Homes on 08:32 - Nov 2 with 2891 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Social care of our elderly and vulnerable shouldn’t be in the for-profit sector anyway. The way these care homes treat their staff and patients in many instances is appalling. The NI part is irrelevant they’ll just pass on the cost since it’s a service that if you need it you’ll have no choice. Given the aging population we probably can’t afford to nationalise the system, but we should be looking at providing care at a cost (not for profit) basis. | | | |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 08:34 - Nov 2 with 2885 views | mrshallisfit |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 07:34 - Nov 2 by onceablue |
I get it the Doctors and care homes are lying.
I think I would trust the word of my Local GP over Rachael Reeves every day of the week.
Did you realise only 7 labour MP’s have experience of running a Business
Labour are the fantasy Party but in reality their polices just don’t work and this will be proven |
In your wizened little head I think it has already been proven. | | | |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 08:34 - Nov 2 with 2884 views | Zx1988 |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 08:31 - Nov 2 by Lord_Lucan |
As a very small company, the rate of employer's NI contributions will lead to us lay off one person, and I can see this happening elsewhere.
However, the care industry pays the lowest pay for the most challenging of jobs (that no one wants to do) whilst at the same time charging up to £2,000 or more a week per resident.
I think actually, it should be law that care workers and possibly NHS staff on the floor, should be given a higher level of minimum wage. |
That's why I'm currently struggling to feel any sympathy for care home owners. They're not paying minimum wage because it's all they can afford... | |
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| Warning - some Care Homes on 08:36 - Nov 2 with 2862 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 08:21 - Nov 2 by GlasgowBlue |
There is an argument to be had regarding private care homes, though it’s not one I would debate in favour of. However, I don’t think there is regarding GP surgeries. The should be exempt from the rise in NIC’s. |
Problem is how far do you go with concessions to employers on NICs?
Presumably all school staff employed directly by local authorities no increase in Employee NICs, but an increase for staff employed through Academies.
Back go NHS . I know someone , working in NHS, where part of her salary is paid by a pharmaceutical company. | |
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| Warning - some Care Homes on 08:36 - Nov 2 with 2846 views | mrshallisfit |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 08:34 - Nov 2 by Zx1988 |
That's why I'm currently struggling to feel any sympathy for care home owners. They're not paying minimum wage because it's all they can afford... |
I think onceablue would fully approve of that. Social care services run as the optimum capitalist adventure. Lovely. | | | |
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