| The reason why the penalty wasn't given. 09:30 - Nov 3 with 3465 views | E_I_E_I_E_I_O |
The Premier league is a corrupt institution, I think we can all agree on that. The bigger teams are clearly favoured and they do not do a very good job of hiding that. Leicester however are considered a smaller club also so why were we cheated yesterday?
Last week McKenna and Ashton done a interview whereby without saying it directly pointed out we've been cheated up to this point and that Howard Webb would be called, so the FA have seen this and didn't take kindly to it and therefore set out to deliberately pile more misery on us.
Many VAR decisions involving fouls can still be subjective in regards to how much of the ball the players gets and other nuances. However here there is none of that and it is as blatant as blatant can be, therefore it's clear to be cheating.
Often managers come out and say they can't say what they want as they'll get a fine, but think about it, a fine to a millionaire manager is nothing which lends itself to the real reason they can't say anything is because the FA will pick up on it and punish them by making further mistakes in the future. It's just a horrible league yet teams like us work so hard to try and get here. Bonkers. |  | | |  |
| The reason why the penalty wasn't given. on 11:40 - Nov 3 with 3269 views | Radlett_blue |
Most decisions on fouls in football are subjective. Penalty kicks are even more subjective because the referees know that most players will do anything to "win" a penalty so they naturally set the bar higher for a spot kick. The big problem with VAR is that it is effectively entitling the VAR referee to make a subjective decision about another referee's subjective decision. Exactly what constitutes a "clear & obvious error" is subjective in itself. So the whole process is a mess.
Unfortunately, we've been on the wrong end of a few highly debatable decision in the last 2 games, which have probably cost us points. But this isn't evidence of any corruption or conspiracy. Lower table clubs, struggling for points, always feel they are on the wrong end of more of these debtable decisions. |  |
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| The reason why the penalty wasn't given. on 12:17 - Nov 3 with 3206 views | ITFCson |
Corruption seems far fetched, however as hard as I try I cannot find any reason as to why the pen was not given. Would be nice to here from Dermot Gallagher on Sky tomorrow as they sometimes have a section on dodgy decisions. | | | |
| The reason why the penalty wasn't given. on 12:42 - Nov 3 with 3156 views | ibbleobble |
There’s no conspiracy here. What find more laughable over the incompetence is Steve Cooper coming out saying, Leicester deserved to win the game. I know he’s not universally liked there but to be see the media as a PR smoke screen is as laughable as the decision not to award the penalty. | | | |
| The reason why the penalty wasn't given. on 13:33 - Nov 3 with 3052 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
I don't think it's quite as literal as that. I just think officials are biased (perhaps unconsciously) towards the bigger clubs. |  |
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| The reason why the penalty wasn't given. on 13:43 - Nov 3 with 3005 views | Churchman |
| The reason why the penalty wasn't given. on 11:40 - Nov 3 by Radlett_blue |
Most decisions on fouls in football are subjective. Penalty kicks are even more subjective because the referees know that most players will do anything to "win" a penalty so they naturally set the bar higher for a spot kick. The big problem with VAR is that it is effectively entitling the VAR referee to make a subjective decision about another referee's subjective decision. Exactly what constitutes a "clear & obvious error" is subjective in itself. So the whole process is a mess.
Unfortunately, we've been on the wrong end of a few highly debatable decision in the last 2 games, which have probably cost us points. But this isn't evidence of any corruption or conspiracy. Lower table clubs, struggling for points, always feel they are on the wrong end of more of these debtable decisions. |
There was nothing subjective about the decision the Ref and VAR had to make. It was an obvious one to all bar the officials.
It is not corruption but officials do know which side their bread is buttered. Annoy Pep or any of the big boys and you’ll be reffing at Cheltenham before you know it. Yesterday’s idiot was weak and striving not to show it. He was bossed by the Leicester players collectively and individually. |  | | |
| The reason why the penalty wasn't given. on 13:56 - Nov 3 with 2944 views | Wickets |
I hope and simply don't belive this is correct ! |  | | |
| The reason why the penalty wasn't given. on 13:58 - Nov 3 with 2921 views | FrimleyBlue |
I'm surprised they didn't ask the ref to view it again considering he couldn't see it and you could say it's a clear error.
But I'm really caught on if it is a pen. Chappers leaves the floor before the contact is made.. is that looking for a foul? Is that why var didn't feel it was a clear error.
An actual explanation I think is needed but I don't know if clubs get that? |  |
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| The reason why the penalty wasn't given. on 17:14 - Nov 3 with 2695 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The reason why the penalty wasn't given. on 13:58 - Nov 3 by FrimleyBlue |
I'm surprised they didn't ask the ref to view it again considering he couldn't see it and you could say it's a clear error.
But I'm really caught on if it is a pen. Chappers leaves the floor before the contact is made.. is that looking for a foul? Is that why var didn't feel it was a clear error.
An actual explanation I think is needed but I don't know if clubs get that? |
What difference does it make if the player leaves the floor before he's clattered? If he's clattered he's clattered.
I thought he was jumping to one side to take the shot, and then the defender blunders into him not winning the ball. | |
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| The reason why the penalty wasn't given. on 17:16 - Nov 3 with 2675 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The reason why the penalty wasn't given. on 17:14 - Nov 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
What difference does it make if the player leaves the floor before he's clattered? If he's clattered he's clattered.
I thought he was jumping to one side to take the shot, and then the defender blunders into him not winning the ball. |
Because what you think may be different to them obviously. If they feel he's jumping into the player then thst would explain their decision. Without their explanation we can only guess. | |
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| The reason why the penalty wasn't given. on 17:17 - Nov 3 with 2671 views | DropCliffsNotBombs |
| The reason why the penalty wasn't given. on 13:58 - Nov 3 by FrimleyBlue |
I'm surprised they didn't ask the ref to view it again considering he couldn't see it and you could say it's a clear error.
But I'm really caught on if it is a pen. Chappers leaves the floor before the contact is made.. is that looking for a foul? Is that why var didn't feel it was a clear error.
An actual explanation I think is needed but I don't know if clubs get that? |
Even if you were short sighted enough to think Chaplin was jumping before he got hit, he was knocked backwards. There really is no way of trying to reason that it was a penalty, no matter how much you want to. |  | | |
| The reason why the penalty wasn't given. on 19:08 - Nov 3 with 2547 views | WicklowBlue |
If the whole VAR process was more transparent it might help a bit as to why decisions go the way they do. Like in Rugby you watch the replays with the officials and hear them talking through the incident.
On the other hand I could imagine a riot at FPR road if that was done yesterday as no modicum of sense or rule was applied. |  | | |
| The reason why the penalty wasn't given. on 19:21 - Nov 3 with 2509 views | MattinLondon |
I wouldn’t say corrupt, just utter incompetence. |  | | |
| The reason why the penalty wasn't given. on 19:55 - Nov 3 with 2393 views | skinnybob72 |
| The reason why the penalty wasn't given. on 19:21 - Nov 3 by MattinLondon |
I wouldn’t say corrupt, just utter incompetence. |
I think this is the answer.
IMO the referees in the PL are actually worse than in the EPL - because they think they have VAR to bail them out if they make an error. Problem is that it's another useless PL referee looking at VAR!
In the EPL the referees know they have to make a decision and stick with it, maybe that helps?
I despise VAR - I would prefer the referee to make a decision and if it's wrong it's wrong - we had that system for over 150 years, some poor decisions go your way, some don't.
Everyone thought VAR would result in all decisions being right - but as so many are subjective - or are still made based on the referees opinion, there is still debate over many decisions.
Also, KM said he is not a fan of VAR - so who cast the vote for our club in the summer? Only Forest voted against it as far as I know. KM is ultimately in charge of the 'football department' so I would hope he was the one who decided our view of VAR. Did he like it in the summer before we started getting shafted week in week out? | | | |
| The reason why the penalty wasn't given. on 20:05 - Nov 3 with 2342 views | Ryorry |
| The reason why the penalty wasn't given. on 13:58 - Nov 3 by FrimleyBlue |
I'm surprised they didn't ask the ref to view it again considering he couldn't see it and you could say it's a clear error.
But I'm really caught on if it is a pen. Chappers leaves the floor before the contact is made.. is that looking for a foul? Is that why var didn't feel it was a clear error.
An actual explanation I think is needed but I don't know if clubs get that? |
Why are you so continually determined to suggest it wasn't a pen? Bizarre.
Even neutrals, Leicester fans & the MotD pundits agreed that it was stonewall, never mind about 28K other ITFC fans at PR. [Post edited 3 Nov 2024 20:06]
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| The reason why the penalty wasn't given. on 20:22 - Nov 3 with 2252 views | WicklowBlue |
| The reason why the penalty wasn't given. on 19:55 - Nov 3 by skinnybob72 |
I think this is the answer.
IMO the referees in the PL are actually worse than in the EPL - because they think they have VAR to bail them out if they make an error. Problem is that it's another useless PL referee looking at VAR!
In the EPL the referees know they have to make a decision and stick with it, maybe that helps?
I despise VAR - I would prefer the referee to make a decision and if it's wrong it's wrong - we had that system for over 150 years, some poor decisions go your way, some don't.
Everyone thought VAR would result in all decisions being right - but as so many are subjective - or are still made based on the referees opinion, there is still debate over many decisions.
Also, KM said he is not a fan of VAR - so who cast the vote for our club in the summer? Only Forest voted against it as far as I know. KM is ultimately in charge of the 'football department' so I would hope he was the one who decided our view of VAR. Did he like it in the summer before we started getting shafted week in week out? |
Paraphrasing "Ashton and Co voted for VAR because they were told they would address the issues if concern"
The issues of concern clearly have not been addressed! | | | |
| The reason why the penalty wasn't given. on 20:34 - Nov 3 with 2194 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The reason why the penalty wasn't given. on 20:05 - Nov 3 by Ryorry |
Why are you so continually determined to suggest it wasn't a pen? Bizarre.
Even neutrals, Leicester fans & the MotD pundits agreed that it was stonewall, never mind about 28K other ITFC fans at PR. [Post edited 3 Nov 2024 20:06]
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As I've said across my posts. It's not that im saying it's not a pen, I'm 50 50 on it, It's more I'm trying to understand why var or the ref haven't given it. As i said in the post you've replied to an explanation would be good. Do they every give one or does that not happen? [Post edited 3 Nov 2024 20:42]
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| The reason why the penalty wasn't given. on 22:09 - Nov 3 with 1999 views | ronnyd |
Just watched the Manure Chelsea highlights on YT. How in Gods name did that pen get given and ours wasn't. Appalling officiating on both counts. | | | |
| The reason why the penalty wasn't given. on 10:52 - Nov 4 with 1544 views | smithy91 |
| The reason why the penalty wasn't given. on 13:43 - Nov 3 by Churchman |
There was nothing subjective about the decision the Ref and VAR had to make. It was an obvious one to all bar the officials.
It is not corruption but officials do know which side their bread is buttered. Annoy Pep or any of the big boys and you’ll be reffing at Cheltenham before you know it. Yesterday’s idiot was weak and striving not to show it. He was bossed by the Leicester players collectively and individually. |
Sounds a little like coercion/bribery to me...
Surely the whole point of PGMOL is to protect and embolden referees to make decisions regardless of how big boots the team on the wrong end is.
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| The reason why the penalty wasn't given. on 10:58 - Nov 4 with 1521 views | glasso |
| The reason why the penalty wasn't given. on 13:58 - Nov 3 by FrimleyBlue |
I'm surprised they didn't ask the ref to view it again considering he couldn't see it and you could say it's a clear error.
But I'm really caught on if it is a pen. Chappers leaves the floor before the contact is made.. is that looking for a foul? Is that why var didn't feel it was a clear error.
An actual explanation I think is needed but I don't know if clubs get that? |
If you see someone charging towards you with no chance of stopping, you can either:
1. Plant your feet firmly down and risk a broken leg
2. Jump and brace for impact.
Moreover, you might have a point if he jumped to the floor or pretended to have been caught. He jumped directly upwards, about 20cm off the ground, and would have landed right back on his feet if he wasn't hit with a rugby tackle. | | | |
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