| Constantly blaming officials 08:42 - Nov 5 with 9716 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
Every week it is always the officials fault. Every game we have lost or drawn this season, I've read that it is because of the referee or VAR.
The red card on Saturday was definitely a second yellow offence. The red card last week at Brentford was two yellow card offences. We are not being robbed or anything like that.
But no one talks about the missed chances - O'Shea for example Saturday, 3 yards out free header, wide of the target... golden chance. Jack Clarke vs Everton etc.
No one talks about McKenna holding back the Cajuste sub when he had the chance to put him on with Clarke and Hirst and then 2mins later we are down to 10 men - last season, that change is made on the 60th min. It was a poor decision in hindsight. He doesn't get much wrong, but he got this totally wrong.
The equaliser Saturday, can Morsy kick that ball wherever he wants? Yes, but he loses it cheaply looking for a free kick. Then Burns is weak and gets bullied, but he could foul the lad etc. 10 seconds later, it's in our net. 2 points dropped in a massive home game.
It's always the officials fault if you turn a blind eye to the players/management and choose the scapegoat which are the officials. In truth, it's a reality check for most that we are in a league where we will lose more games than we will win, unfortunately we just lack the quality that is needed at this level. They've been brilliant on the whole this season, I don't think they can give much more, but they're coming up short and we're just not used to it after the last 2 seasons. |  |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 10:50 - Nov 5 with 1082 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Constantly blaming officials on 10:43 - Nov 5 by FrimleyBlue |
It affects games yes. But only a mistake by morsy lead to a change in the result as it resulted In a goal actually being scored. Had we not conceded the scoreline would have remained the same as it was before and after the incident.
The proof is you're angry. You don't like people who don't agree with you that's clear as day here. |
So let's get this straight - if we'd had 3 stonewall penalties not given and 3 players unfairly sent off, you're saying that still doesn't affect the result?
There's no way the final scoreline can be influenced by any of those things happening.
I'm fine with people who disagree with me when they use intelligence and logic. |  |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 10:57 - Nov 5 with 1049 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Constantly blaming officials on 10:45 - Nov 5 by Guthrum |
But he* does have multiple pairs of eyes, including the Assistants, 4th Official and, to a limited extent, VAR. Plus the ability to consider his decision for a few seconds before blowing the whistle. Also, they are trained to put themselves in the best position to observe events.
I don't like to have a go at Refs, their job is not an easy one (particularly with ill-disciplined players and managers screaming at them). But neither is it reasonable to give a free pass to disfunctions of the system, while requiring close to perfection from players.
* Edit: Or she. I thought Rebecca Welch was one of the best Refs we had that season. [Post edited 5 Nov 2024 10:49]
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Agree to differ on this one. |  |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 11:12 - Nov 5 with 1018 views | Ryorry |
| Constantly blaming officials on 09:17 - Nov 5 by FrimleyBlue |
Wow you think Morsy was physically thrown to the floor... jeez you need to watch that again..barely gets touched.
Agree with the rest Tho. [Post edited 5 Nov 2024 9:21]
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He didn't say he thought "*Morsy* was physically thrown to the floor."
I'm pretty sure he was actually referring to Chappers being body-slammed by their player in the box (happy to be corrected if wrong). |  |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 11:15 - Nov 5 with 1008 views | Vegtablue |
Genuinely you've been very selective with your reading, because much of the other stuff has been discussed a good amount. The penultimate paragraph has had several threads on it, while the final paragraph has had loads.
Your Brentford verdict is highly subjective, because we lack a conclusive camera angle to show who makes contact with the ball and how much contact Clarke makes with Potter, and at which point. I can't say you're definitively wrong but it may well be negative bias that's informing your opinion. I agree these are decisions that sometimes go against you and don't feel the Brentford loss was the consequence of officials; my sense last week was that the majority of fans were focused far more on our own failings.
Hardly anyone has claimed we would have earned points against Everton or Man City; we were comprehensively beaten. Interesting penalty decisions were made however and they reinforce how terrible the decision against Leicester was. You speak of golden missed chances but in truth we aren't creating enough; it isn't credible to convert every golden chance and if anything we've been clinical across the season, scoring a number of worldies.
We'd created enough against Leicester though and a huge 3 points was suddenly put in serious jeopardy on account of awful officiating. Your season-length summary may well be accurate, time will tell, but it clearly isn't applicable to last Saturday's game. And lastly, your middle paragraph on substitution times is nonsense conjecture. Click on a handful of match summaries from last season and you'll quickly find we made subs at varying times on a game-by-basis, typically between 55'-75'. Something we routinely did was trust players on yellow cards to have the discipline to not be sent off. Phillips was hardly a red card walking before he went in his for his challenge, which no pundit had agreed should have been a second yellow TMK. |  | | |
| Constantly blaming officials on 11:21 - Nov 5 with 997 views | Churchman |
| Constantly blaming officials on 10:00 - Nov 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Utter nonsense from you again.
Well on top, a pen and very very good chance to be 2-0 up with 11 men... but instead we're 1-0 up and with a man sent off.
If you don't think that affects the result you're an idiot. |
Of course it affected the result. It changed it. That minute completely changed the momentum of the game. To that point Leicester were not in it beyond the first ten mins and that was with a weak referee that had favoured the away team throughout (see earlier post).
Yes, we have weaknesses and these have been much discussed and ripped into over the weeks. Nobody is hiding our failings behind incompetent referees or the Premier League brand that needs certain things to keep the money factory rolling.
When it comes to it, if I go to a football match I don’t go to watch three idiots in black determining the result with their rear ends in the air being bullied by a well schooled in the dark arts team. And come to that a myopic clown in a box somewhere presumably being paid to the crossword for all the use he/she was.
That’s what I and those sitting around me saw on Saturday throughout the game. |  | | |
| Constantly blaming officials on 11:29 - Nov 5 with 976 views | Ryorry |
| Constantly blaming officials on 10:13 - Nov 5 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Youre better than that. |
Err, what? Am I not allowed to find your oxymoron very funny?
And for you to describe Saturday's refereeing performance as simply "he made a mistake" is ridiculous anyway. | |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 11:46 - Nov 5 with 934 views | Ryorry |
| Constantly blaming officials on 10:05 - Nov 5 by FrimleyBlue |
It affected the game yes. But not the result as the scoreline had remained the same after the incident.
If leicester hadn't scored then we wouldn't be saying it affected the result would we.. no. It would just be a talking point.
So no it didn't affect the result. |
You're beyond hope now with this bizarre mantra of "it didn't affect the result".
That's the stupidest take on football that I've ever seen on here. | |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 12:02 - Nov 5 with 893 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Constantly blaming officials on 11:46 - Nov 5 by Ryorry |
You're beyond hope now with this bizarre mantra of "it didn't affect the result".
That's the stupidest take on football that I've ever seen on here. |
Lol. It's sweet you and flash don't understand the difference between affecting a game to affecting a result. |  |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 12:03 - Nov 5 with 889 views | soupytwist |
| Constantly blaming officials on 09:17 - Nov 5 by FrimleyBlue |
Wow you think Morsy was physically thrown to the floor... jeez you need to watch that again..barely gets touched.
Agree with the rest Tho. [Post edited 5 Nov 2024 9:21]
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Morsy's probably not fouled there, but similar things were given all game.
Burns pretty clearly gets a shove in the back, and again similar things were given all game.
Can't blame the ref for us missing two very presentable headed chances in the first half.
I also thought that we had a half decent shout for a penalty from a corner in the first half when O'Shea was running towards the cross and was shoved to the ground before he got to it. [Post edited 5 Nov 2024 12:08]
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| Constantly blaming officials on 12:04 - Nov 5 with 879 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Constantly blaming officials on 10:50 - Nov 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
So let's get this straight - if we'd had 3 stonewall penalties not given and 3 players unfairly sent off, you're saying that still doesn't affect the result?
There's no way the final scoreline can be influenced by any of those things happening.
I'm fine with people who disagree with me when they use intelligence and logic. |
It would affect the game yes. Not the result no. | |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 12:04 - Nov 5 with 878 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Constantly blaming officials on 09:55 - Nov 5 by FrimleyBlue |
Flash that's poor from you. No. 1
Was there a moment the officials bugered up yes but it didn't chalk off a goal scored and neither did it let a goal stand. So no it didn't affect the result.
Morsy fumbling and burns bouncing off a player lead to them scoring an equaliser. But then could oshea have done better to, was muric slow coming out? Was it just a good goal between two leicester players? |
Ridiculous post
The errors led to no pen and 10 men ffs |  | | |
| Constantly blaming officials on 12:06 - Nov 5 with 866 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Constantly blaming officials on 10:05 - Nov 5 by FrimleyBlue |
It affected the game yes. But not the result as the scoreline had remained the same after the incident.
If leicester hadn't scored then we wouldn't be saying it affected the result would we.. no. It would just be a talking point.
So no it didn't affect the result. |
Are you missing some logic brain cells? | | | |
| Constantly blaming officials on 12:10 - Nov 5 with 842 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Constantly blaming officials on 12:04 - Nov 5 by reusersfreekicks |
Ridiculous post
The errors led to no pen and 10 men ffs |
Correct.
It affected the game for us. | |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 12:11 - Nov 5 with 849 views | bsw72 |
I suggest you scroll back and re-read, everything you state is being ignored has been discussed to death. |  | | |
| Constantly blaming officials on 12:11 - Nov 5 with 839 views | Ryorry |
| Constantly blaming officials on 12:02 - Nov 5 by FrimleyBlue |
Lol. It's sweet you and flash don't understand the difference between affecting a game to affecting a result. |
I do understand it. But in this case 'affecting the game' clearly and obviously affected the result. As thousands of other people, using their eyes and logic, could see. | |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 12:13 - Nov 5 with 829 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Constantly blaming officials on 12:06 - Nov 5 by reusersfreekicks |
Are you missing some logic brain cells? |
Some seem to be but for once it's not me.
You're all up in arms about something that affected the game. Rather than about something we had control over which lead to the change in result.
You're all mad.
Not helped I guess by Ashtons words tbh. Shouldn't really be as vocal as he has been. | |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 12:13 - Nov 5 with 831 views | Ryorry |
| Constantly blaming officials on 12:04 - Nov 5 by FrimleyBlue |
It would affect the game yes. Not the result no. |
Gonna need an excavator to dig you out of that one mate :) | |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 12:16 - Nov 5 with 825 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Constantly blaming officials on 12:04 - Nov 5 by FrimleyBlue |
It would affect the game yes. Not the result no. |
Hahahah. You utter fool. My work here is done. | |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 12:17 - Nov 5 with 821 views | Dyland |
| Constantly blaming officials on 10:05 - Nov 5 by FrimleyBlue |
It affected the game yes. But not the result as the scoreline had remained the same after the incident.
If leicester hadn't scored then we wouldn't be saying it affected the result would we.. no. It would just be a talking point.
So no it didn't affect the result. |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 12:18 - Nov 5 with 822 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Constantly blaming officials on 12:10 - Nov 5 by FrimleyBlue |
Correct.
It affected the game for us. |
I know you think you are being clever but really there is no logic here at all
The result is affected by the elements in the game
So by definition a decision removing a very strong chance of scoring is in a once removed way affecting the result or has a very strong chance of affecting the result.
Please refrain from pedantic illogical nonsense | | | |
| Constantly blaming officials on 12:18 - Nov 5 with 818 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Constantly blaming officials on 12:13 - Nov 5 by FrimleyBlue |
Some seem to be but for once it's not me.
You're all up in arms about something that affected the game. Rather than about something we had control over which lead to the change in result.
You're all mad.
Not helped I guess by Ashtons words tbh. Shouldn't really be as vocal as he has been. |
Haha, no it's us who are all mad, you're the loan voice of reason!
I haven't even heard Ashton's words. | |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 12:18 - Nov 5 with 819 views | Dyland |
| Constantly blaming officials on 12:02 - Nov 5 by FrimleyBlue |
Lol. It's sweet you and flash don't understand the difference between affecting a game to affecting a result. |
🤦🏼♂️ 🤦🏼♂️ | |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 12:19 - Nov 5 with 810 views | Dyland |
| Constantly blaming officials on 12:04 - Nov 5 by FrimleyBlue |
It would affect the game yes. Not the result no. |
🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️ | |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 12:21 - Nov 5 with 796 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Constantly blaming officials on 12:18 - Nov 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Haha, no it's us who are all mad, you're the loan voice of reason!
I haven't even heard Ashton's words. |
Tbh I honestly don't mind being alone in this. You're all mad. And explains why you get worked up about things.
Morsy gives the ball away that leads to a goal that changes the result.
But let's cry over a non penalty in which there's no garentee we'd have scored it.
Baffling. | |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 12:23 - Nov 5 with 786 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Constantly blaming officials on 12:18 - Nov 5 by reusersfreekicks |
I know you think you are being clever but really there is no logic here at all
The result is affected by the elements in the game
So by definition a decision removing a very strong chance of scoring is in a once removed way affecting the result or has a very strong chance of affecting the result.
Please refrain from pedantic illogical nonsense |
Not clever just correct. | |
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