| Constantly blaming officials 08:42 - Nov 5 with 10198 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
Every week it is always the officials fault. Every game we have lost or drawn this season, I've read that it is because of the referee or VAR.
The red card on Saturday was definitely a second yellow offence. The red card last week at Brentford was two yellow card offences. We are not being robbed or anything like that.
But no one talks about the missed chances - O'Shea for example Saturday, 3 yards out free header, wide of the target... golden chance. Jack Clarke vs Everton etc.
No one talks about McKenna holding back the Cajuste sub when he had the chance to put him on with Clarke and Hirst and then 2mins later we are down to 10 men - last season, that change is made on the 60th min. It was a poor decision in hindsight. He doesn't get much wrong, but he got this totally wrong.
The equaliser Saturday, can Morsy kick that ball wherever he wants? Yes, but he loses it cheaply looking for a free kick. Then Burns is weak and gets bullied, but he could foul the lad etc. 10 seconds later, it's in our net. 2 points dropped in a massive home game.
It's always the officials fault if you turn a blind eye to the players/management and choose the scapegoat which are the officials. In truth, it's a reality check for most that we are in a league where we will lose more games than we will win, unfortunately we just lack the quality that is needed at this level. They've been brilliant on the whole this season, I don't think they can give much more, but they're coming up short and we're just not used to it after the last 2 seasons. |  |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 10:00 - Nov 5 with 864 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Constantly blaming officials on 09:55 - Nov 5 by FrimleyBlue |
Flash that's poor from you. No. 1
Was there a moment the officials bugered up yes but it didn't chalk off a goal scored and neither did it let a goal stand. So no it didn't affect the result.
Morsy fumbling and burns bouncing off a player lead to them scoring an equaliser. But then could oshea have done better to, was muric slow coming out? Was it just a good goal between two leicester players? |
Utter nonsense from you again.
Well on top, a pen and very very good chance to be 2-0 up with 11 men... but instead we're 1-0 up and with a man sent off.
If you don't think that affects the result you're an idiot. |  |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 10:01 - Nov 5 with 865 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Constantly blaming officials on 09:56 - Nov 5 by textbackup |
The same people blamed them in L1, the championship… it’s almost like you can’t pin any hopes on refs being consistent (something we’ve all known since starting to watch football)
I don’t really care what they do anymore, it’s completely pointless moaning.
I care about what we can do to prevent mistakes, and the way we play. As we can control that |
You need something to go your way along the lines though and we're just not getting that rub of the green from the officials or VAR at the moment.
It just boils down to consistency for me, you know full well that Chaplin challenge will happen in another game this weekend and it gets awarded as a pen.
I always go back to it, but if we let our officials go to the likes of Saudi to officiate/be VAR on games, why on earth can't we poach officials from another country, Germany or France say? You never hear about controversial decisions out there, it all seems to run smoothly.
Still, 2-1 away win this weekend. [Post edited 5 Nov 2024 10:01]
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| Constantly blaming officials on 10:04 - Nov 5 with 841 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Constantly blaming officials on 09:55 - Nov 5 by FrimleyBlue |
Flash that's poor from you. No. 1
Was there a moment the officials bugered up yes but it didn't chalk off a goal scored and neither did it let a goal stand. So no it didn't affect the result.
Morsy fumbling and burns bouncing off a player lead to them scoring an equaliser. But then could oshea have done better to, was muric slow coming out? Was it just a good goal between two leicester players? |
"But it didn't chalk off a goal scored and neither did it let a goal stand. So no it didn't affect the result"
Kind of did. It denied us a 0.79 xG chance, i.e a free shot at goal that is scored 79% of the time.
Look, we could have done better for the goal and McKenna will be analysing that and trying to improve on the training ground. We have to move on but at the same time that doesn't mean we shouldn't be strongly looking for answers about why we didn't get an obvious penalty when VAR had the benefit of looking at it from circa 50 camera angles. |  | | |
| Constantly blaming officials on 10:05 - Nov 5 with 836 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Constantly blaming officials on 10:00 - Nov 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Utter nonsense from you again.
Well on top, a pen and very very good chance to be 2-0 up with 11 men... but instead we're 1-0 up and with a man sent off.
If you don't think that affects the result you're an idiot. |
It affected the game yes. But not the result as the scoreline had remained the same after the incident.
If leicester hadn't scored then we wouldn't be saying it affected the result would we.. no. It would just be a talking point.
So no it didn't affect the result. |  |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 10:07 - Nov 5 with 832 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
| Constantly blaming officials on 09:56 - Nov 5 by textbackup |
The same people blamed them in L1, the championship… it’s almost like you can’t pin any hopes on refs being consistent (something we’ve all known since starting to watch football)
I don’t really care what they do anymore, it’s completely pointless moaning.
I care about what we can do to prevent mistakes, and the way we play. As we can control that |
I think generally across the board with officiating, there is a problem with consistency. Every week there's a yellow that should've been a red, or a red that's given where a similar challenge the previous week was only a yellow etc, that's the biggest gripe I have with officials.
But constantly pointing the finger at officials doesn't sit with me. Unless you win, most of the time it is the officials who get scapegoated as to why you haven't. | |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 10:10 - Nov 5 with 826 views | FrankfurtBlue |
IPSWICHFANITFC, do you think it was a penalty? If not, do you think it should have been reviewed pitch side by the ref? |  | | |
| Constantly blaming officials on 10:10 - Nov 5 with 816 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Constantly blaming officials on 10:04 - Nov 5 by tractorboy1978 |
"But it didn't chalk off a goal scored and neither did it let a goal stand. So no it didn't affect the result"
Kind of did. It denied us a 0.79 xG chance, i.e a free shot at goal that is scored 79% of the time.
Look, we could have done better for the goal and McKenna will be analysing that and trying to improve on the training ground. We have to move on but at the same time that doesn't mean we shouldn't be strongly looking for answers about why we didn't get an obvious penalty when VAR had the benefit of looking at it from circa 50 camera angles. |
But it's not a guaranteed goal so it can't be seen as missing out on one because of a decision.
I get it people are angry. But making out your non town fans because you don't agree that the result was changed is wrong. It would have remained 1-0 had we not gifted them the ball. That's a controllable and thats what we messed up with. | |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 10:10 - Nov 5 with 812 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Constantly blaming officials on 10:05 - Nov 5 by FrimleyBlue |
It affected the game yes. But not the result as the scoreline had remained the same after the incident.
If leicester hadn't scored then we wouldn't be saying it affected the result would we.. no. It would just be a talking point.
So no it didn't affect the result. |
We were well on top. Look at the chances Leicester had after we were reduced to 10 men compared to before (they even featured it on MOTD). That's without the pen!
Stop talking nonsense Frimmers. | |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 10:12 - Nov 5 with 803 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Constantly blaming officials on 09:40 - Nov 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Your posting is a game of errors. |
😂😂thats sharp by your standards. |  |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 10:13 - Nov 5 with 803 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Constantly blaming officials on 09:32 - Nov 5 by Ryorry |
“The ref didn't do anything wrong, he made a mistake”.
😂😂😂😂😂 |
Youre better than that. | |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 10:16 - Nov 5 with 789 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Constantly blaming officials on 10:10 - Nov 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
We were well on top. Look at the chances Leicester had after we were reduced to 10 men compared to before (they even featured it on MOTD). That's without the pen!
Stop talking nonsense Frimmers. |
Yet still the result hadn't been changed the scoreline remained the same until we fked up and they scored. At that point alone the result was affected. | |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 10:17 - Nov 5 with 785 views | textbackup |
| Constantly blaming officials on 10:07 - Nov 5 by IPSWICHFANITFC |
I think generally across the board with officiating, there is a problem with consistency. Every week there's a yellow that should've been a red, or a red that's given where a similar challenge the previous week was only a yellow etc, that's the biggest gripe I have with officials.
But constantly pointing the finger at officials doesn't sit with me. Unless you win, most of the time it is the officials who get scapegoated as to why you haven't. |
I’m completely with you on this.
Refs are consistently sht. That’s not something that only just come about.
How many chances did we waste to be 2/3/4 up Saturday? That’s where I’m looking personally. |  |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 10:18 - Nov 5 with 776 views | Meadowlark |
| Constantly blaming officials on 09:01 - Nov 5 by Cheltenham_Blue |
To address your points one by one.
You're wrong on all counts, with the exception of not being ruthless enough.
It was never enough to warrant a 2nd yellow, Clarks wasn't anywhere near a yellow.
Cajuste was coming on for Morsy, not Phillips, McKenna could never have second guessed what the ref was about to do, so to blame him seems odd.
Morsy should have lashed it, yes but the idea that being physically thrown to the floor is 'looking for a cheap free kick' Jesus wept. |
When you say "second guessed" do you mean "guessed?" |  | | |
| Constantly blaming officials on 10:18 - Nov 5 with 777 views | textbackup |
| Constantly blaming officials on 10:01 - Nov 5 by Kieran_Knows |
You need something to go your way along the lines though and we're just not getting that rub of the green from the officials or VAR at the moment.
It just boils down to consistency for me, you know full well that Chaplin challenge will happen in another game this weekend and it gets awarded as a pen.
I always go back to it, but if we let our officials go to the likes of Saudi to officiate/be VAR on games, why on earth can't we poach officials from another country, Germany or France say? You never hear about controversial decisions out there, it all seems to run smoothly.
Still, 2-1 away win this weekend. [Post edited 5 Nov 2024 10:01]
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100% if that happens to salah at anfield it’s a pen…
Annoys me, but not as much as O’Shea messing up that free header.
I really hope you are right… I can’t see beyond a 5-0! 😂 | |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 10:18 - Nov 5 with 774 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Constantly blaming officials on 10:10 - Nov 5 by FrankfurtBlue |
IPSWICHFANITFC, do you think it was a penalty? If not, do you think it should have been reviewed pitch side by the ref? |
Youre completely missing the OP's fault.
Yes the ref made a mistake, but it was one of many factors that contributed to us not winning that match. | |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 10:20 - Nov 5 with 767 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Constantly blaming officials on 10:16 - Nov 5 by FrimleyBlue |
Yet still the result hadn't been changed the scoreline remained the same until we fked up and they scored. At that point alone the result was affected. |
Stop being daft. It's not just about the scoreline remaining the same at that moment.
You think playing with one less player than the opposition doesn't affect results?!
What if we'd had 3 players unfairly sent off? Would you still say that doesn't affect the result?
More proof that you know nothing about how football works. | |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 10:20 - Nov 5 with 771 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Constantly blaming officials on 10:00 - Nov 5 by Guthrum |
You're saying "the players should have done such-and-such" as if they were easy things, in a split second, in the heat of the action amid physical exertion, in the face of top-class opponents, in spite of the technical difficulty and fine margins of what they were trying to achieve.
The players practice and are a damn sight better at doing those things than any of us, but they are not supermen. Neither do they have the leisure of considering alternative actions using replays. Everything is an instant, instinctive decision.
The Ref, while he may be running around, is an purely an observer, not distracted by trying to calculate when and how high he should jump for a header. His entire job is to watch what's going on. From a close vantage point than anyone else. Moreover, he has two Assistants as extra pairs of eyes. The VAR crew are sitting in a warm office, with replays and camera angles on tap.
Match officials are only human, too. But mistakes by them are less forgiveable (especially with technological backup) than by the players actually engaged in the game. |
Youre over simplifying the role of the ref, he has to try to watch multiple things at once.
Arguably has a much harder job than the players, and far more pressure. | |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 10:23 - Nov 5 with 748 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Constantly blaming officials on 10:18 - Nov 5 by textbackup |
100% if that happens to salah at anfield it’s a pen…
Annoys me, but not as much as O’Shea messing up that free header.
I really hope you are right… I can’t see beyond a 5-0! 😂 |
That Free header was bad. We seem to miss at least one of those a game. Greaves and O Shea both had a couple I feel.
I think I was more annoyed by the Ref than that though, or the VAR. Feel like Refs just wait to be bailed out by VAR so its annoying when it doesn't come.
But what annoyed me more than all of that was their goal. Morsy throwing himself over and then Burns just bouncing off a guy was a really bad watch.
So overall, just pretty annoye. |  |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 10:25 - Nov 5 with 746 views | RIPbobby |
| Constantly blaming officials on 10:18 - Nov 5 by textbackup |
100% if that happens to salah at anfield it’s a pen…
Annoys me, but not as much as O’Shea messing up that free header.
I really hope you are right… I can’t see beyond a 5-0! 😂 |
I remembered thinking at the time our crowd wasn't that big on the penalty live. It was more of a quiet speculative appeal. Surprising when looking back at it.
As with Gallagher and Stephen Warnock not agreeing on the rules makes it a serious problem. Help the refs by making the rules better. Simple. |  | | |
| Constantly blaming officials on 10:28 - Nov 5 with 737 views | ElephantintheRoom |
It’s easier to blame the ref -and VAR and as you’ll see from the replies you get, people fall for it every time
All very trendy and develops a siege mentality - so much better than trying to tighten up at the back, be more competitive in midfield and take the occasional open goal. | |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 10:29 - Nov 5 with 734 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
| Constantly blaming officials on 10:17 - Nov 5 by textbackup |
I’m completely with you on this.
Refs are consistently sht. That’s not something that only just come about.
How many chances did we waste to be 2/3/4 up Saturday? That’s where I’m looking personally. |
I agree. If you don't take your chances and the opposition take their big moment, it's a harsh lesson to be learned. At this level, it really does punish you at both ends of the pitch. | |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 10:31 - Nov 5 with 723 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Constantly blaming officials on 10:28 - Nov 5 by ElephantintheRoom |
It’s easier to blame the ref -and VAR and as you’ll see from the replies you get, people fall for it every time
All very trendy and develops a siege mentality - so much better than trying to tighten up at the back, be more competitive in midfield and take the occasional open goal. |
I appreciate that youre generally on here trolling.
But thats a good post. | |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 10:43 - Nov 5 with 700 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Constantly blaming officials on 10:20 - Nov 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Stop being daft. It's not just about the scoreline remaining the same at that moment.
You think playing with one less player than the opposition doesn't affect results?!
What if we'd had 3 players unfairly sent off? Would you still say that doesn't affect the result?
More proof that you know nothing about how football works. |
It affects games yes. But only a mistake by morsy lead to a change in the result as it resulted In a goal actually being scored. Had we not conceded the scoreline would have remained the same as it was before and after the incident.
The proof is you're angry. You don't like people who don't agree with you that's clear as day here. | |
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| Constantly blaming officials on 10:45 - Nov 5 with 706 views | Guthrum |
| Constantly blaming officials on 10:20 - Nov 5 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Youre over simplifying the role of the ref, he has to try to watch multiple things at once.
Arguably has a much harder job than the players, and far more pressure. |
But he* does have multiple pairs of eyes, including the Assistants, 4th Official and, to a limited extent, VAR. Plus the ability to consider his decision for a few seconds before blowing the whistle. Also, they are trained to put themselves in the best position to observe events.
I don't like to have a go at Refs, their job is not an easy one (particularly with ill-disciplined players and managers screaming at them). But neither is it reasonable to give a free pass to disfunctions of the system, while requiring close to perfection from players.
* Edit: Or she. I thought Rebecca Welch was one of the best Refs we had that season. [Post edited 5 Nov 2024 10:49]
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| Constantly blaming officials on 10:45 - Nov 5 with 699 views | FrankfurtBlue |
| Constantly blaming officials on 10:18 - Nov 5 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Youre completely missing the OP's fault.
Yes the ref made a mistake, but it was one of many factors that contributed to us not winning that match. |
..............errr, I don't think so.
The OP is criticising forum posters/ITFC fans for "constantly blaming officials". I, like others, appreciate that there are other reasons for us dropping points, but I also consider it to be completely fair to call out the officials on Saturday. It wasn't just a "mistake" by the ref, it was mistakes plural by the ref and the VAR ref.
I simply wanted to discover what the OP thought about the actual decisions that people are unhappy with. Is that ok with you? | | | |
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