| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? 12:35 - Nov 8 with 15224 views | itfcjoe |
If they want to retain power in 5 years time.....because the same playbook will be being used by the same people on the right of our politics.
- Don't go woke, don't lean too heavily into wokeness, DEI, etc. It just simply isn't what the majority of people want. If they want to try and fight a culture war they'll lose.
- Immigration has to be seen to be under control, whether it is or isn't
- There is a big misinformation and disinformation war going on, they need to get their generals in the game before they are too far behind to come back in this. What do they need to do to go up against the Steve Bannon's and Elon Musk's off the world.
- Give the working classes something to believe in, and that needs to come from the bottom up and not the top down. They have to respect the working classes, listen to them and not tell them why they are wrong, why they don't like them, why they are a constant let down to the bourgeoisie.
- Be fun, have a twinkle in their eye and a laugh at times. People like Angela Rayner manage it well, don't be so serious all the time.
Just spit balling, sure people will be along to tell me wrong I am soon! [Post edited 8 Nov 2024 12:37]
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 12:38 - Nov 9 with 877 views | ArmaghBlue |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 12:37 - Nov 9 by redrickstuhaart |
Not sure if serious.... |
I just find it funny that people are willing to ruin the futures of our kids for a reason not caused by us, whilst China and India couldn’t care less and just get on with what they need do do (build coal power stations etc etc) |  | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 12:42 - Nov 9 with 857 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 12:38 - Nov 9 by ArmaghBlue |
I just find it funny that people are willing to ruin the futures of our kids for a reason not caused by us, whilst China and India couldn’t care less and just get on with what they need do do (build coal power stations etc etc) |
I don’t think by any means certain that pivoting to renewable energy sources will ruin children’s future. China is by the far the world’s biggest investor in renewable energy |  | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 12:42 - Nov 9 with 857 views | redrickstuhaart |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 12:38 - Nov 9 by ArmaghBlue |
I just find it funny that people are willing to ruin the futures of our kids for a reason not caused by us, whilst China and India couldn’t care less and just get on with what they need do do (build coal power stations etc etc) |
Do you know how much China are investing in renewables? They are making serious progress.
If the G7 nations dont lead the way, nothing else will happen. People will not listen to whats needed, if we sit hypocritically not doing it ourselves. There is a massiv eopportunity to be at the forefront of this with all that could mean economically. We have almost missed that boat already. | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 12:51 - Nov 9 with 827 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 12:42 - Nov 9 by redrickstuhaart |
Do you know how much China are investing in renewables? They are making serious progress.
If the G7 nations dont lead the way, nothing else will happen. People will not listen to whats needed, if we sit hypocritically not doing it ourselves. There is a massiv eopportunity to be at the forefront of this with all that could mean economically. We have almost missed that boat already. |
That’s the impression I have too, and would be my instinct, but it’s not a subject I can pretend to understand that fully, unfortunately. | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 13:01 - Nov 9 with 814 views | ArmaghBlue |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 12:42 - Nov 9 by redrickstuhaart |
Do you know how much China are investing in renewables? They are making serious progress.
If the G7 nations dont lead the way, nothing else will happen. People will not listen to whats needed, if we sit hypocritically not doing it ourselves. There is a massiv eopportunity to be at the forefront of this with all that could mean economically. We have almost missed that boat already. |
They may be investing into renewables, but they aren’t destroying their energy network whilst doing so. [Post edited 9 Nov 2024 13:02]
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 13:08 - Nov 9 with 784 views | redrickstuhaart |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 13:01 - Nov 9 by ArmaghBlue |
They may be investing into renewables, but they aren’t destroying their energy network whilst doing so. [Post edited 9 Nov 2024 13:02]
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Neither are we. | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 13:21 - Nov 9 with 762 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 13:08 - Nov 9 by redrickstuhaart |
Neither are we. |
But surely more investment needed in nuclear? | | | |
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 13:23 - Nov 9 with 758 views | tcblue |
I really hope nobody in the UK 'learns' from the US election because there's really only one thing, and that's the power of the cult of personality.
I think that got tested with Boris. I hope we've learned our lesson | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 13:25 - Nov 9 with 751 views | redrickstuhaart |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 13:21 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
But surely more investment needed in nuclear? |
Thats part of the plan atm- yes. | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 13:31 - Nov 9 with 739 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 13:25 - Nov 9 by redrickstuhaart |
Thats part of the plan atm- yes. |
Is it!? Other than Sizewell? | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 13:36 - Nov 9 with 728 views | redrickstuhaart |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 13:31 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
Is it!? Other than Sizewell? |
Yes. Hinckley as well.
But renewables are vastly cheaper and quicker now. | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 14:20 - Nov 9 with 680 views | positivity |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 13:01 - Nov 9 by ArmaghBlue |
They may be investing into renewables, but they aren’t destroying their energy network whilst doing so. [Post edited 9 Nov 2024 13:02]
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that's ridiculous, you seem to be the victim of brainwashing from the fossil fuels lobby, don't be so easily taken in.
renewable energy is far cheaper than fossil fuels and doesn't require the destruction of the planet, plenty of jobs have been lost due to the tories being in the pockets of gas and oil, we could have been market leaders rather than letting china get all the profit.
still plenty of jobs to be gained and money to be made by developing the technology (especially the batteries) here, or we could just give it to big business and dodgy regimes instead, money straight down the drain | |
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 16:03 - Nov 9 with 642 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 14:20 - Nov 9 by positivity |
that's ridiculous, you seem to be the victim of brainwashing from the fossil fuels lobby, don't be so easily taken in.
renewable energy is far cheaper than fossil fuels and doesn't require the destruction of the planet, plenty of jobs have been lost due to the tories being in the pockets of gas and oil, we could have been market leaders rather than letting china get all the profit.
still plenty of jobs to be gained and money to be made by developing the technology (especially the batteries) here, or we could just give it to big business and dodgy regimes instead, money straight down the drain |
If there’s one thing that clear from this disastrous start by Labour, it’s that they are as in thrall to big business corporatism as the Tories were - I think that’s just, unfortunately, a given with the two main political parties. The issue with Labour, however, is that they have no understanding of SME businesses, and are running small businesses like mine into the ground.
I think the reason for this is that the calibre of the current cabinet is so low that they can enact the wishes of their donors, because what they need to do is clearly explained to them.
Coming pup with economic policy on their own is another matter. I was chatting to an old friend last week who runs a medium sized company with circa 600 employees. Mainly low/minimum wage. The extra NIC, increase in min wage and NIC threshold reduction will wipe £5m off their bottom line, virtually their entire profit.
It’s turned a successful business into one that needs to make serious changes.
The changes will be laying people off and putting up prices.
This will not be an isolated case. | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 16:16 - Nov 9 with 613 views | positivity |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 16:03 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
If there’s one thing that clear from this disastrous start by Labour, it’s that they are as in thrall to big business corporatism as the Tories were - I think that’s just, unfortunately, a given with the two main political parties. The issue with Labour, however, is that they have no understanding of SME businesses, and are running small businesses like mine into the ground.
I think the reason for this is that the calibre of the current cabinet is so low that they can enact the wishes of their donors, because what they need to do is clearly explained to them.
Coming pup with economic policy on their own is another matter. I was chatting to an old friend last week who runs a medium sized company with circa 600 employees. Mainly low/minimum wage. The extra NIC, increase in min wage and NIC threshold reduction will wipe £5m off their bottom line, virtually their entire profit.
It’s turned a successful business into one that needs to make serious changes.
The changes will be laying people off and putting up prices.
This will not be an isolated case. |
that's complete nonsense, after 14 years of backing big business against the workers, they've given a bit back to the lowest paid. a valueed workforce is a more productive workforce.
they need to do a lot more, but if this is a disatrous start, what the hell would you call truss's?! | |
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 16:16 - Nov 9 with 613 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 13:31 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
Is it!? Other than Sizewell? |
China have committed to having a fusion reactor online by 2030.
Whatever the future is, continuing to rely on fossil fuels is crazy for plenty of reasons even if you want to climate-change-deny like another on this thread appears to be. |  |
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 16:22 - Nov 9 with 597 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 16:16 - Nov 9 by positivity |
that's complete nonsense, after 14 years of backing big business against the workers, they've given a bit back to the lowest paid. a valueed workforce is a more productive workforce.
they need to do a lot more, but if this is a disatrous start, what the hell would you call truss's?! |
I forgot about the bloody unions as well and the ridiculous train driver pay increases!! !! Blooming heck - disastrous barely covers it!! It’s completely catastrophic!!!!! Outside of thhe strangely student union style echo chamber of tbis
Forum, the country is reeling from the low growth, high inflation policies being enacted by this totally incompetent administration. | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 16:24 - Nov 9 with 579 views | redrickstuhaart |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 16:03 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
If there’s one thing that clear from this disastrous start by Labour, it’s that they are as in thrall to big business corporatism as the Tories were - I think that’s just, unfortunately, a given with the two main political parties. The issue with Labour, however, is that they have no understanding of SME businesses, and are running small businesses like mine into the ground.
I think the reason for this is that the calibre of the current cabinet is so low that they can enact the wishes of their donors, because what they need to do is clearly explained to them.
Coming pup with economic policy on their own is another matter. I was chatting to an old friend last week who runs a medium sized company with circa 600 employees. Mainly low/minimum wage. The extra NIC, increase in min wage and NIC threshold reduction will wipe £5m off their bottom line, virtually their entire profit.
It’s turned a successful business into one that needs to make serious changes.
The changes will be laying people off and putting up prices.
This will not be an isolated case. |
Disasterous? In what way? | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 16:25 - Nov 9 with 575 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 16:16 - Nov 9 by Nthsuffolkblue |
China have committed to having a fusion reactor online by 2030.
Whatever the future is, continuing to rely on fossil fuels is crazy for plenty of reasons even if you want to climate-change-deny like another on this thread appears to be. |
That we can agree on. More nuclear should have been invested in some years ago. | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 16:25 - Nov 9 with 571 views | positivity |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 16:22 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
I forgot about the bloody unions as well and the ridiculous train driver pay increases!! !! Blooming heck - disastrous barely covers it!! It’s completely catastrophic!!!!! Outside of thhe strangely student union style echo chamber of tbis
Forum, the country is reeling from the low growth, high inflation policies being enacted by this totally incompetent administration. |
it really isn't though is it, most businesses i know are just happy to have grown-ups in charge after a decade of chaos, high inflation and incompetence.
they feel that they can plan for the future without the risk of a truss or a johnson wrecking things or making things up as they go along. | |
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 16:26 - Nov 9 with 570 views | redrickstuhaart |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 16:22 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
I forgot about the bloody unions as well and the ridiculous train driver pay increases!! !! Blooming heck - disastrous barely covers it!! It’s completely catastrophic!!!!! Outside of thhe strangely student union style echo chamber of tbis
Forum, the country is reeling from the low growth, high inflation policies being enacted by this totally incompetent administration. |
We have had low grwoth for the last 14 years. It sounds like your one specific complaint is train drivers pay. About which there are many half truths told.
You are playing this right from the Trumpl playbook. The constant spread of misinformation is going to be what really kills this nation, and possibly humanity. | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 16:34 - Nov 9 with 549 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 16:25 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
That we can agree on. More nuclear should have been invested in some years ago. |
Fusion may or may not prove to be the panacea it promises. It is important that other solutions are invested in. | |
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 16:35 - Nov 9 with 544 views | redrickstuhaart |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 16:34 - Nov 9 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Fusion may or may not prove to be the panacea it promises. It is important that other solutions are invested in. |
I have no idea whetehr China have comitted as suggested. Would be surprising, given the technology does not exist and the date is only 6 years away...
We still don't know, frankly, whether cold fusion is going to be a feasible method of energy generation. | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 16:37 - Nov 9 with 536 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 16:26 - Nov 9 by redrickstuhaart |
We have had low grwoth for the last 14 years. It sounds like your one specific complaint is train drivers pay. About which there are many half truths told.
You are playing this right from the Trumpl playbook. The constant spread of misinformation is going to be what really kills this nation, and possibly humanity. |
Please read the rest of my posts. My concerns are increased employers NIC contributions and lower threshold. Increased minimum wage. These are both inflationary policies. I have explained, along with a detailed case study above, why this is an issue. You shoujd rad it before jumping to conclusions and talking about a “Trump playbook”.
I don’t think train driver pay is diversionary. I think union represented workers will now be able to hold the gov to ransom where they want. Again, it’s inflationary.
These policies will slow down interest rate decreases due to upward pressure on inflation, reduce growth, reduce wages (in the case of higher NIC contributions)
The Labour government campaigned on growth and no increase in taxation. It’s the opposite. Tgy misrepresented heir agenda.
I also strongly disagree with VAT on school fees and farmers IHT. These are spiteful policies with very little economic benefit.
They are incompetent, and ideological.
It’s a terrible combination imho | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 16:43 - Nov 9 with 515 views | redrickstuhaart |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 16:37 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
Please read the rest of my posts. My concerns are increased employers NIC contributions and lower threshold. Increased minimum wage. These are both inflationary policies. I have explained, along with a detailed case study above, why this is an issue. You shoujd rad it before jumping to conclusions and talking about a “Trump playbook”.
I don’t think train driver pay is diversionary. I think union represented workers will now be able to hold the gov to ransom where they want. Again, it’s inflationary.
These policies will slow down interest rate decreases due to upward pressure on inflation, reduce growth, reduce wages (in the case of higher NIC contributions)
The Labour government campaigned on growth and no increase in taxation. It’s the opposite. Tgy misrepresented heir agenda.
I also strongly disagree with VAT on school fees and farmers IHT. These are spiteful policies with very little economic benefit.
They are incompetent, and ideological.
It’s a terrible combination imho |
You can't reach conclusions about inflationary polices without (a) waiting to see what happens; and (b) weighing up the benefits of the policies.
Are you seriously suggesting that the minimum wage shoudl be held (and therefore decrease in real terms)? Or that there was not a need to raise money and to reverse the completely unrealistic bribe the last government tried when they reduced NI whilst public services and finances were at breaking point?
What good reasons do you have to object to vat on school fees, or farmers being subject to the same rules as everyone else? Nothing spiteful about making things fair, and taxing the wealthy when necessary. | | | |
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