| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? 12:35 - Nov 8 with 15614 views | itfcjoe |
If they want to retain power in 5 years time.....because the same playbook will be being used by the same people on the right of our politics.
- Don't go woke, don't lean too heavily into wokeness, DEI, etc. It just simply isn't what the majority of people want. If they want to try and fight a culture war they'll lose.
- Immigration has to be seen to be under control, whether it is or isn't
- There is a big misinformation and disinformation war going on, they need to get their generals in the game before they are too far behind to come back in this. What do they need to do to go up against the Steve Bannon's and Elon Musk's off the world.
- Give the working classes something to believe in, and that needs to come from the bottom up and not the top down. They have to respect the working classes, listen to them and not tell them why they are wrong, why they don't like them, why they are a constant let down to the bourgeoisie.
- Be fun, have a twinkle in their eye and a laugh at times. People like Angela Rayner manage it well, don't be so serious all the time.
Just spit balling, sure people will be along to tell me wrong I am soon! [Post edited 8 Nov 2024 12:37]
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 16:44 - Nov 9 with 804 views | positivity |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 16:37 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
Please read the rest of my posts. My concerns are increased employers NIC contributions and lower threshold. Increased minimum wage. These are both inflationary policies. I have explained, along with a detailed case study above, why this is an issue. You shoujd rad it before jumping to conclusions and talking about a “Trump playbook”.
I don’t think train driver pay is diversionary. I think union represented workers will now be able to hold the gov to ransom where they want. Again, it’s inflationary.
These policies will slow down interest rate decreases due to upward pressure on inflation, reduce growth, reduce wages (in the case of higher NIC contributions)
The Labour government campaigned on growth and no increase in taxation. It’s the opposite. Tgy misrepresented heir agenda.
I also strongly disagree with VAT on school fees and farmers IHT. These are spiteful policies with very little economic benefit.
They are incompetent, and ideological.
It’s a terrible combination imho |
just what is it about tax breaks for the richest farmers and public schools that you love so much? how does this help growth or inflation? just shows where your brainwashing is coming from!
no surprise that you're a fan of paying the minimum wage, dinosaur businesses like these deserve to be dragged into the 21st century at last. progressive businesses paying a decent wage won't be hit as much |  |
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 16:47 - Nov 9 with 802 views | StokieBlue |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 16:37 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
Please read the rest of my posts. My concerns are increased employers NIC contributions and lower threshold. Increased minimum wage. These are both inflationary policies. I have explained, along with a detailed case study above, why this is an issue. You shoujd rad it before jumping to conclusions and talking about a “Trump playbook”.
I don’t think train driver pay is diversionary. I think union represented workers will now be able to hold the gov to ransom where they want. Again, it’s inflationary.
These policies will slow down interest rate decreases due to upward pressure on inflation, reduce growth, reduce wages (in the case of higher NIC contributions)
The Labour government campaigned on growth and no increase in taxation. It’s the opposite. Tgy misrepresented heir agenda.
I also strongly disagree with VAT on school fees and farmers IHT. These are spiteful policies with very little economic benefit.
They are incompetent, and ideological.
It’s a terrible combination imho |
You claim all these policies are inflationary (some could be depending on the situation) yet the BoE are clear that inflation isn't going to be returning to the levels seen over the previous few years and that rates will continue to gradually fall.
You've been posting since before the last general election and had nothing to say about very high inflation under the Tories so your posts look very much like an ideologically driven narrative which makes it quite amusing that you accuse Labour of ideological governing.
"reduce wages (in the case of higher NIC contributions)"
It's illegal to reduce wages in the UK without the employees consent.
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 16:58 - Nov 9 with 762 views | GlasgowBlue |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 16:03 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
If there’s one thing that clear from this disastrous start by Labour, it’s that they are as in thrall to big business corporatism as the Tories were - I think that’s just, unfortunately, a given with the two main political parties. The issue with Labour, however, is that they have no understanding of SME businesses, and are running small businesses like mine into the ground.
I think the reason for this is that the calibre of the current cabinet is so low that they can enact the wishes of their donors, because what they need to do is clearly explained to them.
Coming pup with economic policy on their own is another matter. I was chatting to an old friend last week who runs a medium sized company with circa 600 employees. Mainly low/minimum wage. The extra NIC, increase in min wage and NIC threshold reduction will wipe £5m off their bottom line, virtually their entire profit.
It’s turned a successful business into one that needs to make serious changes.
The changes will be laying people off and putting up prices.
This will not be an isolated case. |
Have they had a disastrous start?
They made some poor mistakes politically regarding Lord Ali and his funding of Starmer and other cabinet members, plus the other freebies that Starmer took. That should have been dealt with sooner and better by his staff and Sue Grey paid the price but that was far from disasterous.
Regarding the budget, I'm a natural Tory voter who can't bring himself to vote for the current Tory party so I was never going to like some of the measures unveiled, but if this is the painful stuff getting done early then Labour should be set up quite nicely in the run up to the next election. |  |
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 17:04 - Nov 9 with 756 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 16:22 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
I forgot about the bloody unions as well and the ridiculous train driver pay increases!! !! Blooming heck - disastrous barely covers it!! It’s completely catastrophic!!!!! Outside of thhe strangely student union style echo chamber of tbis
Forum, the country is reeling from the low growth, high inflation policies being enacted by this totally incompetent administration. |
Wow. Because people disagree with you, and do so with evidence, this forum is a "student union style echo chamber"?
The irony. |  |
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 17:19 - Nov 9 with 722 views | iamatractorboy |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 12:14 - Nov 9 by GlasgowBlue |
Regarding immigration. My view is that progressive politicians need to own their liberal views on immigration and proudly talk about the benefits of immigration rather than shuffling nervously when the topic is raised and attempt to come across as Reform-lite. It simply doesn’t work and comes across as being insincere. The branded mugs that promised “Controls on immigration” from Labour under Ed Miliband was one such example of cringe worthy naffness that came across as a desperate attempt to appear tough on immigration, when in their heart of hearts they are pro immigration , and rightly so. Labour look ridiculous when they try to compete with the Tories and reform on the subject.
Which ties in with my view that instead of calling people who have concerns about immigration “thick”, “stupid”! “Ignorant”, brainwashed”, “uneducated” or “racist”, engage with them and set out the positive case for immigration.
Shout from the rooftops that immigrants are your doctors and nurses. Your taxi drivers. They are the people who serve you in your local shop. They are the people who teach your children in our schools and the people who you trust when depositing money to in your local bank. They are police officers, bus drivers, social workers, political representatives from the parish council to the Mayor of your city.
But when people raise concerns regarding levels of immigration don’t treat them with contempt. Listen to them and explain the benefits to the country and their community. Otherwise you will simply drive them to the right. |
This, absolutely.
I note from a later post from you that you are a 'natural Tory voter'. I'm absolutely not, but the polarisation of politics these days seems to mean that everyone on one side has to disagree with everyone on 'the other side' about everything, which is patently b*llocks; people should be working together to compromise and also not be afraid to agree on some subjects! Respect to you for having the courage of your convictions when it comes to the Tories (in terms of how you feel they should be) who frankly seem rather nutty these days. | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 17:31 - Nov 9 with 685 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 16:47 - Nov 9 by StokieBlue |
You claim all these policies are inflationary (some could be depending on the situation) yet the BoE are clear that inflation isn't going to be returning to the levels seen over the previous few years and that rates will continue to gradually fall.
You've been posting since before the last general election and had nothing to say about very high inflation under the Tories so your posts look very much like an ideologically driven narrative which makes it quite amusing that you accuse Labour of ideological governing.
"reduce wages (in the case of higher NIC contributions)"
It's illegal to reduce wages in the UK without the employees consent.
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They are all inflationary. That’s (for want of a better word) a fact. That’s not an opinion.
I have not voted Conservative since 2015, and am certainly not ideologically Tory.
I do run my own business, however, and am extremely concerned by this current gov.
Businesses will reduce their wage bill by laying off employees and reducing hours. Many will be forced to. | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 17:32 - Nov 9 with 681 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 17:04 - Nov 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Wow. Because people disagree with you, and do so with evidence, this forum is a "student union style echo chamber"?
The irony. |
Yes. Opinion rather than fact, however. | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 17:35 - Nov 9 with 659 views | positivity |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 17:32 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
Yes. Opinion rather than fact, however. |
the irony of you stating that, when your 'facts' were shown to be wrong or subjective opinions, very amsuing if it wasn't so tragic! | |
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 17:39 - Nov 9 with 634 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 16:44 - Nov 9 by positivity |
just what is it about tax breaks for the richest farmers and public schools that you love so much? how does this help growth or inflation? just shows where your brainwashing is coming from!
no surprise that you're a fan of paying the minimum wage, dinosaur businesses like these deserve to be dragged into the 21st century at last. progressive businesses paying a decent wage won't be hit as much |
I’m not brainwashed. Quite the opposite I’d suggest. I seem to be the only person in here capable of independent thought and seeing both sides of the debates.
I don’t think education should be taxed. I can’t imagine that’s a controversial view, is it? I believe it even contravenes the ECHR.
The darning debate is pretty easy to understand, surely?
These policies raise minuscule sums (if any). It’s ideological spitefulness.
I don’t pay any of my employees minimum wage, but many low margin companies have to.
It’s not a point of being a “dinosaur company”, it’s just economic reality.
I mean, your post below is just dripping with the student union. It’s embarrassing, mate.
Seriously. | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 17:40 - Nov 9 with 626 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 17:35 - Nov 9 by positivity |
the irony of you stating that, when your 'facts' were shown to be wrong or subjective opinions, very amsuing if it wasn't so tragic! |
But I’m not running to be President of the US, just having a dialogue with a few chaps on a football forum. [Post edited 9 Nov 2024 18:04]
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 17:55 - Nov 9 with 582 views | redrickstuhaart |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 17:31 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
They are all inflationary. That’s (for want of a better word) a fact. That’s not an opinion.
I have not voted Conservative since 2015, and am certainly not ideologically Tory.
I do run my own business, however, and am extremely concerned by this current gov.
Businesses will reduce their wage bill by laying off employees and reducing hours. Many will be forced to. |
No they wont.
They will either act decently and take slightly less profit, or they will increase their margins to cover it. For a 30k a year employee its only £900. | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 18:03 - Nov 9 with 555 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 17:55 - Nov 9 by redrickstuhaart |
No they wont.
They will either act decently and take slightly less profit, or they will increase their margins to cover it. For a 30k a year employee its only £900. |
Read the case study I gave you above. This real life, real people, a real business.
Reality is the upshot will be a mixture of reducing wage bill and putting up prices.
Reduced margin will never, ever be an option.
You don’t live in the real world, mate | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 18:08 - Nov 9 with 536 views | positivity |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 17:39 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
I’m not brainwashed. Quite the opposite I’d suggest. I seem to be the only person in here capable of independent thought and seeing both sides of the debates.
I don’t think education should be taxed. I can’t imagine that’s a controversial view, is it? I believe it even contravenes the ECHR.
The darning debate is pretty easy to understand, surely?
These policies raise minuscule sums (if any). It’s ideological spitefulness.
I don’t pay any of my employees minimum wage, but many low margin companies have to.
It’s not a point of being a “dinosaur company”, it’s just economic reality.
I mean, your post below is just dripping with the student union. It’s embarrassing, mate.
Seriously. |
public education isn't taxed, profit making private schools are, that's not hard to understand.
not sure what you're getting at with darning, are you worried about the haberdashers now?
i'll shed no tears for companies still paying the minimum wage after years of publicity re: the living wage, if anything is ideological spitefullness it's that. i'll take student union, if you're going to carry on with public school indoctrination and ignorance! | |
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 18:10 - Nov 9 with 530 views | positivity |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 17:40 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
But I’m not running to be President of the US, just having a dialogue with a few chaps on a football forum. [Post edited 9 Nov 2024 18:04]
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low iq, eh? certainly sounding like the president-elect when faced with intellectual superiors, very much overcompensating! | |
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 18:10 - Nov 9 with 530 views | redrickstuhaart |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 18:03 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
Read the case study I gave you above. This real life, real people, a real business.
Reality is the upshot will be a mixture of reducing wage bill and putting up prices.
Reduced margin will never, ever be an option.
You don’t live in the real world, mate |
INCREASE their margins. Not decrease. Of course businesses increase their prices to cover costs. Ridiculous to suggest otherwise. Precisely what I said...
Some business will recognise that it is a drop in the ocean over a year. Many which are profitable will absorb it in the short term. Many more should do that if they are to behave responsibly. I very very much doubt that any small business will cut staff as a result. It would be utterly disproportionate to do so. That is just infantile fear mongering and the petulant reaction of people earning decent profits who object to paying their way.
But so what? Whats the problem? The money is needed. Desperately. And replaces that which the last government cut from taxes, when they ought not to have done. | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 18:13 - Nov 9 with 515 views | GlasgowBlue |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 17:55 - Nov 9 by redrickstuhaart |
No they wont.
They will either act decently and take slightly less profit, or they will increase their margins to cover it. For a 30k a year employee its only £900. |
Have you ever run a business that in just three years has been forced to close for multiple lengthy periods during a pandemic and seen their electricity and stock costs more than double?
If not then please don't lecture people on how they can take "slightly less profit, or increase their margins". We are barely out of a cost of living crisis. | |
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 18:13 - Nov 9 with 520 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 18:10 - Nov 9 by redrickstuhaart |
INCREASE their margins. Not decrease. Of course businesses increase their prices to cover costs. Ridiculous to suggest otherwise. Precisely what I said...
Some business will recognise that it is a drop in the ocean over a year. Many which are profitable will absorb it in the short term. Many more should do that if they are to behave responsibly. I very very much doubt that any small business will cut staff as a result. It would be utterly disproportionate to do so. That is just infantile fear mongering and the petulant reaction of people earning decent profits who object to paying their way.
But so what? Whats the problem? The money is needed. Desperately. And replaces that which the last government cut from taxes, when they ought not to have done. |
Apologies, I read that as accept decreased margins ie. Profit.
That would be a more normal application of the word margin in that context.
But, of course, as I also say, company will first try to put up prices (inflationary) then look to cut variable costs (wages)
Both are anti-growth policies, macro | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 18:17 - Nov 9 with 505 views | redrickstuhaart |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 18:13 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
Apologies, I read that as accept decreased margins ie. Profit.
That would be a more normal application of the word margin in that context.
But, of course, as I also say, company will first try to put up prices (inflationary) then look to cut variable costs (wages)
Both are anti-growth policies, macro |
"anti growth" suggests that ther eis an intent to damage growth. Which is silly.
You know what is more anti growth? A health service so slow and cumbersome that people cant get early treatment and end up spending months or years away from work. Mental health services that dont help people until they are at a very expensive crisis point. Legal systems which take years to deal with the simplest case. Roads which delay people and stop them getting on with their jobs.
And I point out yet again, that the NI increase has simply replaced the completely ridiculous cut imposed by the last government (which was inflationary as well as utterly reckless given teh state of the nations finances and public services) | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 18:20 - Nov 9 with 497 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 18:13 - Nov 9 by GlasgowBlue |
Have you ever run a business that in just three years has been forced to close for multiple lengthy periods during a pandemic and seen their electricity and stock costs more than double?
If not then please don't lecture people on how they can take "slightly less profit, or increase their margins". We are barely out of a cost of living crisis. |
I have!!! In my case I saw biz costs and finance costs almost double!
I’ve lost a large part of the equity in my company that took me 10 years to build up
But, yeah, I’ll just be chill while Labour wrecks what was a recovering economy, and puts my children’s school fees up, and slows down the decrease in the dust of finance.
In fact, I’ll just reduce my profit margins to absorb Reeve’s high tax, big state agenda! | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 18:21 - Nov 9 with 486 views | redrickstuhaart |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 18:20 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
I have!!! In my case I saw biz costs and finance costs almost double!
I’ve lost a large part of the equity in my company that took me 10 years to build up
But, yeah, I’ll just be chill while Labour wrecks what was a recovering economy, and puts my children’s school fees up, and slows down the decrease in the dust of finance.
In fact, I’ll just reduce my profit margins to absorb Reeve’s high tax, big state agenda! |
If you can afford private school fees, you are extremely privileged. They are a luxury. Why should you not carry a little more of the burden when the country is so obviously in desperate need? | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 18:23 - Nov 9 with 476 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 18:13 - Nov 9 by GlasgowBlue |
Have you ever run a business that in just three years has been forced to close for multiple lengthy periods during a pandemic and seen their electricity and stock costs more than double?
If not then please don't lecture people on how they can take "slightly less profit, or increase their margins". We are barely out of a cost of living crisis. |
I’m glad there’s at least one person in here with what seems to me to be sensible, central, pro business views.
I was beginning to feel like u was in the student union debating chamber.
The lack of understanding of real world economics from these people is mind boggling.
The sense of entitlement is sickening. | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 18:25 - Nov 9 with 469 views | redrickstuhaart |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 18:23 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
I’m glad there’s at least one person in here with what seems to me to be sensible, central, pro business views.
I was beginning to feel like u was in the student union debating chamber.
The lack of understanding of real world economics from these people is mind boggling.
The sense of entitlement is sickening. |
Entitlement?
Says the fellow who objects to being taxed on significant profits and luxuries so that other people can get basic healthcare?
You cannot be real. | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 18:25 - Nov 9 with 468 views | positivity |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 18:20 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
I have!!! In my case I saw biz costs and finance costs almost double!
I’ve lost a large part of the equity in my company that took me 10 years to build up
But, yeah, I’ll just be chill while Labour wrecks what was a recovering economy, and puts my children’s school fees up, and slows down the decrease in the dust of finance.
In fact, I’ll just reduce my profit margins to absorb Reeve’s high tax, big state agenda! |
have you ever had to take a minimum wage and try and live on it, without a functioning nhs or train service to rely on?
the destruction of the state by 14 years of tory mismanagement is why public schools and businesses need to step up and pay their share after years of handouts and preferential treatment | |
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 18:26 - Nov 9 with 462 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 18:21 - Nov 9 by redrickstuhaart |
If you can afford private school fees, you are extremely privileged. They are a luxury. Why should you not carry a little more of the burden when the country is so obviously in desperate need? |
There we have it! My paying more will make no difference to you paying less. But why should you have more than me? Far left thought process laid bare | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 18:30 - Nov 9 with 451 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 18:25 - Nov 9 by redrickstuhaart |
Entitlement?
Says the fellow who objects to being taxed on significant profits and luxuries so that other people can get basic healthcare?
You cannot be real. |
Where did I say I object to being taxed on profits? Are you referring to the increase in NIC contributions? That’s not tax on profits…. That’s tax on doing business. Would be a good idea for the NHS to look at improving efficiency, wouldn’t it? Public sector productivity is through the floor.
I haven’t made a profit for two years. Your lack of empathy is disturbing | | | |
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