| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? 12:35 - Nov 8 with 15221 views | itfcjoe |
If they want to retain power in 5 years time.....because the same playbook will be being used by the same people on the right of our politics.
- Don't go woke, don't lean too heavily into wokeness, DEI, etc. It just simply isn't what the majority of people want. If they want to try and fight a culture war they'll lose.
- Immigration has to be seen to be under control, whether it is or isn't
- There is a big misinformation and disinformation war going on, they need to get their generals in the game before they are too far behind to come back in this. What do they need to do to go up against the Steve Bannon's and Elon Musk's off the world.
- Give the working classes something to believe in, and that needs to come from the bottom up and not the top down. They have to respect the working classes, listen to them and not tell them why they are wrong, why they don't like them, why they are a constant let down to the bourgeoisie.
- Be fun, have a twinkle in their eye and a laugh at times. People like Angela Rayner manage it well, don't be so serious all the time.
Just spit balling, sure people will be along to tell me wrong I am soon! [Post edited 8 Nov 2024 12:37]
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 19:38 - Nov 9 with 881 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 19:32 - Nov 9 by redrickstuhaart |
If you have a business paying minimum wage, and taking an income from the business excess of the minimum wage yourself, you are being significantly subsidised by the state. Your employees are almost all getting benefits just to be able to live, despite working full time. This needs to stop.
Of course, the fractional increase in minimum wage makes very little difference to small businesses. Its £100 a month. [Post edited 9 Nov 2024 19:35]
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I don’t pay minimum wage to anyone. The sector doesn’t allow for that. But, like all businesses, I try to keep costs to a minimum. That’s just common sense. Are you seriously saying that business owners should take the same or less than their staff? With the risk calculus involved, there’s be no business at all! |  | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 19:39 - Nov 9 with 881 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 19:34 - Nov 9 by redrickstuhaart |
Because people are persistently paid less and asked to do more with each passing year, whilst dealing with under resourcing, poor facilities, poor IT and expected to deal with all that and soak up the slack. |
Ah, inefficiency in the public sector. Who’d have guessed!? | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 19:46 - Nov 9 with 866 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 12:38 - Nov 9 by ArmaghBlue |
I just find it funny that people are willing to ruin the futures of our kids for a reason not caused by us, whilst China and India couldn’t care less and just get on with what they need do do (build coal power stations etc etc) |
An economic system based on growth to infinity and tackling climate change are mutually exclusive. It's no wonder that working people feel they are getting shafted by ever rising prices and taxes when they see the relatively well off being incentivised to buy Teslas. It doesn't add up on an intuitive level. |  |
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 19:49 - Nov 9 with 855 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 19:38 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
I don’t pay minimum wage to anyone. The sector doesn’t allow for that. But, like all businesses, I try to keep costs to a minimum. That’s just common sense. Are you seriously saying that business owners should take the same or less than their staff? With the risk calculus involved, there’s be no business at all! |
Mr Blobby meet cooperatives, cooperatives meet Mr Blobby.
https://www.suma.coop/who-we-are/our-co-op/#:~:text=Not%20only%20in%20our%20miss
'Well here at Suma we’ve been doing things a bit differently for over 40 years. Not only in our mission to supply everything vegetarian and sustainable, but also in how we are run.
A co-operative of ordinary people built on integrity and equality, we’re a worker co-op, a business owned and run by the nearly 200 people who work here. We don’t have any bosses or shareholders. We, Suma’s employees, set the direction of the business. Everyone has an equal say in what we do. We all get paid the same wage, take responsibility and each do a range of jobs each week, from truck driving to cooking to accounts.
It means that when you meet someone who works at Suma, you’re meeting a co-owner who knows and cares about the business. Your driver might work in accounts and product development when she’s not out on the road, so she can give you the bigger picture.
As a co-op we are more than the sum of our parts. When we come together we create something amazing.'
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 19:49 - Nov 9 with 851 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 19:46 - Nov 9 by BanksterDebtSlave |
An economic system based on growth to infinity and tackling climate change are mutually exclusive. It's no wonder that working people feel they are getting shafted by ever rising prices and taxes when they see the relatively well off being incentivised to buy Teslas. It doesn't add up on an intuitive level. |
That’s a much bigger point, a very good one, and one that needs a lot more looking into. I’m also not sure that infinite growth is sustainable. However, that’s the current model. Not sure what you mean on Tesla point, but I’d not buy or lease a Tesla solely on ideological grounds. | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 19:51 - Nov 9 with 848 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 19:33 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
It’s education. It’s not a luxury… 🙄 |
Perhaps private schools should improve their productivity which has clearly reduced many times faster than the public sector! https://iea.org.uk/in-defence-of-vat-on-private-school-fees/
In 10 years their fees have gone up 24% in real terms and the proportion of students in private education has still risen despite that! [Post edited 9 Nov 2024 20:40]
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 20:02 - Nov 9 with 816 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 19:51 - Nov 9 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Perhaps private schools should improve their productivity which has clearly reduced many times faster than the public sector! https://iea.org.uk/in-defence-of-vat-on-private-school-fees/
In 10 years their fees have gone up 24% in real terms and the proportion of students in private education has still risen despite that! [Post edited 9 Nov 2024 20:40]
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Can’t see any mention of productivity!? I only skim read, so apologies if I did miss it | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 20:03 - Nov 9 with 809 views | lowhouseblue |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 12:14 - Nov 9 by GlasgowBlue |
Regarding immigration. My view is that progressive politicians need to own their liberal views on immigration and proudly talk about the benefits of immigration rather than shuffling nervously when the topic is raised and attempt to come across as Reform-lite. It simply doesn’t work and comes across as being insincere. The branded mugs that promised “Controls on immigration” from Labour under Ed Miliband was one such example of cringe worthy naffness that came across as a desperate attempt to appear tough on immigration, when in their heart of hearts they are pro immigration , and rightly so. Labour look ridiculous when they try to compete with the Tories and reform on the subject.
Which ties in with my view that instead of calling people who have concerns about immigration “thick”, “stupid”! “Ignorant”, brainwashed”, “uneducated” or “racist”, engage with them and set out the positive case for immigration.
Shout from the rooftops that immigrants are your doctors and nurses. Your taxi drivers. They are the people who serve you in your local shop. They are the people who teach your children in our schools and the people who you trust when depositing money to in your local bank. They are police officers, bus drivers, social workers, political representatives from the parish council to the Mayor of your city.
But when people raise concerns regarding levels of immigration don’t treat them with contempt. Listen to them and explain the benefits to the country and their community. Otherwise you will simply drive them to the right. |
great. but the follow up question then is what level of net immigration are they going to shout the case for from the rooftops? and all your examples seem to be of immigrants who are economically beneficial to the uk - so is that the criteria we should be applying (setting aside refugees of course)? and what responsibilities can the community reasonably place on immigrants? the issue is a bit more complex than you imply. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 20:03 - Nov 9 with 811 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 20:02 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
Can’t see any mention of productivity!? I only skim read, so apologies if I did miss it |
How is it more productive if it is providing the same service for 24% more cost? | |
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 20:13 - Nov 9 with 772 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 20:03 - Nov 9 by Nthsuffolkblue |
How is it more productive if it is providing the same service for 24% more cost? |
What is cumulative inflation over that period (more than 24pc I think) and where does it say services are the same? | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 20:22 - Nov 9 with 748 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 20:13 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
What is cumulative inflation over that period (more than 24pc I think) and where does it say services are the same? |
EDIT: See reply below. The 24% is in real terms already adjusted for inflation. So that's actually double the rate of inflation rise in cost.
It will be interesting to see how charging VAT does affect numbers in the future and whether the gains are offset by increased demand in the public sector. [Post edited 9 Nov 2024 20:39]
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 20:24 - Nov 9 with 745 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 19:49 - Nov 9 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Mr Blobby meet cooperatives, cooperatives meet Mr Blobby.
https://www.suma.coop/who-we-are/our-co-op/#:~:text=Not%20only%20in%20our%20miss
'Well here at Suma we’ve been doing things a bit differently for over 40 years. Not only in our mission to supply everything vegetarian and sustainable, but also in how we are run.
A co-operative of ordinary people built on integrity and equality, we’re a worker co-op, a business owned and run by the nearly 200 people who work here. We don’t have any bosses or shareholders. We, Suma’s employees, set the direction of the business. Everyone has an equal say in what we do. We all get paid the same wage, take responsibility and each do a range of jobs each week, from truck driving to cooking to accounts.
It means that when you meet someone who works at Suma, you’re meeting a co-owner who knows and cares about the business. Your driver might work in accounts and product development when she’s not out on the road, so she can give you the bigger picture.
As a co-op we are more than the sum of our parts. When we come together we create something amazing.'
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This is a ridiculous post. It was set up as a co-op with the risk diluted to 0.5pc per stakeholder. What on earth is your point?????? | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 20:24 - Nov 9 with 743 views | Swansea_Blue |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 19:34 - Nov 9 by redrickstuhaart |
Because people are persistently paid less and asked to do more with each passing year, whilst dealing with under resourcing, poor facilities, poor IT and expected to deal with all that and soak up the slack. |
Quite. It’s not hard, is it. Private companies are not constrained on things like capital investment and staff retention and training, whereas the public sector budgets are capped. And we’ve just seen 14 years of underinvestment and real term wage cuts and hostile home office policies that have impacted retention. The NHS has had an uplift in the last few years in fairness, although too little, too late to undo the damage. Funnily enough those 40 new hospitals didn’t materialise. Councils have been absolutely hammered. |  |
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 20:34 - Nov 9 with 722 views | LeoMuff |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 19:33 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
It’s education. It’s not a luxury… 🙄 |
Private school is clearly a luxury otherwise why pay ? Clearly you areare paying for a better standard of education. However when state schools have barely a budget for a pencil the inequalities are huge.
Only fair they pay their way as a private business who charge very hefty fees in most cases. |  |
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 20:35 - Nov 9 with 717 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 20:22 - Nov 9 by Nthsuffolkblue |
EDIT: See reply below. The 24% is in real terms already adjusted for inflation. So that's actually double the rate of inflation rise in cost.
It will be interesting to see how charging VAT does affect numbers in the future and whether the gains are offset by increased demand in the public sector. [Post edited 9 Nov 2024 20:39]
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Apologies, happened to re-read the article. The 24% rise is in real terms already adjusted for inflation. So the point does still stand after all.
How would you say educating students will have improved in productivity? | |
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 20:41 - Nov 9 with 694 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 20:35 - Nov 9 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Apologies, happened to re-read the article. The 24% rise is in real terms already adjusted for inflation. So the point does still stand after all.
How would you say educating students will have improved in productivity? |
Ok, a 10pc above inflation increase in fees over circa 10 years vs a one off increase of 17.6 pc (in the case of my children’s school).
Hmmm | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 20:44 - Nov 9 with 687 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 20:41 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
Ok, a 10pc above inflation increase in fees over circa 10 years vs a one off increase of 17.6 pc (in the case of my children’s school).
Hmmm |
Wasn't the point I was making at all.
24% real terms decrease in productivity over 10 years compared to 20% (or is it 17.6%?) one-off tax. Improve their productivity and they are there! | |
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 20:46 - Nov 9 with 680 views | Swansea_Blue |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 20:41 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
Ok, a 10pc above inflation increase in fees over circa 10 years vs a one off increase of 17.6 pc (in the case of my children’s school).
Hmmm |
That’s the private sector for you. They can charge what they want.
Edit - sorry, that’s too insensitive if you’re now finding it hard to pay and it’s affecting you. It’s the harsh reality that they can charge what the market will pay, but I’m sure it’s stressful to see fees going up. I don’t object to people using private schools. They exist, so why not? But at the same time it’s never been something I’ve had to consider or worry about, as our kids were only ever going to a Welsh language school (= state school, as there are no private ones) and the one they’re at has a fantastic record of attainment. I just wish everyone had that freedom to not have to worry about paying unnecessarily for a better education. We’re lucky to have a fantastic local state school and ideally everyone should have that opportunity.
But it most definitely is a luxury. It’s your choice to pay for something that’s available for free, so you’re not going to get any sympathy from people who can’t afford private school fees. [Post edited 9 Nov 2024 21:17]
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 20:47 - Nov 9 with 675 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 20:44 - Nov 9 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Wasn't the point I was making at all.
24% real terms decrease in productivity over 10 years compared to 20% (or is it 17.6%?) one-off tax. Improve their productivity and they are there! |
It’s actually a 10pc real terms decrease in productivity. But I take your point. That’s assuming services remain the same. I’d prefer the school now cuts costs (reduces tone local state schools can use facilities, charges more for community to use facilities etc) than puts up fees, as I’m very much now struggling to afford them. | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 20:50 - Nov 9 with 669 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 20:47 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
It’s actually a 10pc real terms decrease in productivity. But I take your point. That’s assuming services remain the same. I’d prefer the school now cuts costs (reduces tone local state schools can use facilities, charges more for community to use facilities etc) than puts up fees, as I’m very much now struggling to afford them. |
How does a 24% real terms increase in cost equate to 10%? | |
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 21:56 - Nov 9 with 587 views | redrickstuhaart |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 19:33 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
It’s education. It’s not a luxury… 🙄 |
Private education, considered better and beyond what everyone else has, is a luxury. | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 21:58 - Nov 9 with 584 views | redrickstuhaart |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 19:38 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
I don’t pay minimum wage to anyone. The sector doesn’t allow for that. But, like all businesses, I try to keep costs to a minimum. That’s just common sense. Are you seriously saying that business owners should take the same or less than their staff? With the risk calculus involved, there’s be no business at all! |
I am saying that if your pay policy is such that the government has to pay benefits to your employees so they can get by, whilst you make profit (on paper or in reality....) then you are being subsidised by the rest of us. That is not right.
If you do that, your objections to tax are utterly hypocritical. | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 22:11 - Nov 9 with 570 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 21:56 - Nov 9 by redrickstuhaart |
Private education, considered better and beyond what everyone else has, is a luxury. |
Ok, mate. Whatever you say. That doesn’t apply to any other western country, but I guess you’re exceptional. 🤡 | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 22:12 - Nov 9 with 565 views | redrickstuhaart |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 22:11 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
Ok, mate. Whatever you say. That doesn’t apply to any other western country, but I guess you’re exceptional. 🤡 |
Logical fallacy there.
Referring to other nations has no bearing on the principle whatsoever.
You avoid the principle. | | | |
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