| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? 12:35 - Nov 8 with 15225 views | itfcjoe |
If they want to retain power in 5 years time.....because the same playbook will be being used by the same people on the right of our politics.
- Don't go woke, don't lean too heavily into wokeness, DEI, etc. It just simply isn't what the majority of people want. If they want to try and fight a culture war they'll lose.
- Immigration has to be seen to be under control, whether it is or isn't
- There is a big misinformation and disinformation war going on, they need to get their generals in the game before they are too far behind to come back in this. What do they need to do to go up against the Steve Bannon's and Elon Musk's off the world.
- Give the working classes something to believe in, and that needs to come from the bottom up and not the top down. They have to respect the working classes, listen to them and not tell them why they are wrong, why they don't like them, why they are a constant let down to the bourgeoisie.
- Be fun, have a twinkle in their eye and a laugh at times. People like Angela Rayner manage it well, don't be so serious all the time.
Just spit balling, sure people will be along to tell me wrong I am soon! [Post edited 8 Nov 2024 12:37]
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 22:12 - Nov 9 with 935 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 21:58 - Nov 9 by redrickstuhaart |
I am saying that if your pay policy is such that the government has to pay benefits to your employees so they can get by, whilst you make profit (on paper or in reality....) then you are being subsidised by the rest of us. That is not right.
If you do that, your objections to tax are utterly hypocritical. |
Good lord, you have absolutely no
Idea what you are talking about. Someone else was talking about false equivalence for clueless opinions, and here I am - engaging with a clueless person and giving them false equivalence. What benefits are you referring to? 🤡 |  | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 22:18 - Nov 9 with 925 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 20:24 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
This is a ridiculous post. It was set up as a co-op with the risk diluted to 0.5pc per stakeholder. What on earth is your point?????? |
I am making the point that a business can be owned by its workers....risk is spread and so are the rewards. A good model for a better future don't you think? |  |
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 22:20 - Nov 9 with 916 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 22:18 - Nov 9 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I am making the point that a business can be owned by its workers....risk is spread and so are the rewards. A good model for a better future don't you think? |
Sure. Why not? Room for that model where it works for people. I’m all for a free market! | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 22:23 - Nov 9 with 907 views | redrickstuhaart |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 22:12 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
Good lord, you have absolutely no
Idea what you are talking about. Someone else was talking about false equivalence for clueless opinions, and here I am - engaging with a clueless person and giving them false equivalence. What benefits are you referring to? 🤡 |
People on low wages routinely have to claim benefits to get by. Tax credits, housing benefits, UC. If your employees are doing so, and you make profit, your business is being subsidised by tax payers. You are not paying aliving wage, and the tax payer is making up the difference.
Nothing I said is wrong.
Nothing I said displays a lack of understanding.
If you say otherwise, be specific. | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 22:29 - Nov 9 with 889 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 22:23 - Nov 9 by redrickstuhaart |
People on low wages routinely have to claim benefits to get by. Tax credits, housing benefits, UC. If your employees are doing so, and you make profit, your business is being subsidised by tax payers. You are not paying aliving wage, and the tax payer is making up the difference.
Nothing I said is wrong.
Nothing I said displays a lack of understanding.
If you say otherwise, be specific. |
I have no idea what you are talking about mate.
My lowest paid employee earns ÂŁ20k Pa for 2 days a week doing office support.
You’re just wobbling on a right load of wibble.
Clueless. Why on earth am I entertaining your nonsense on a Saturday evening, you rotten old wibbler?
Read my posts and try to understand why your rotten old socialist nonsense viewpoints don’t apply in the real world.
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 22:30 - Nov 9 with 891 views | redrickstuhaart |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 22:29 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
I have no idea what you are talking about mate.
My lowest paid employee earns ÂŁ20k Pa for 2 days a week doing office support.
You’re just wobbling on a right load of wibble.
Clueless. Why on earth am I entertaining your nonsense on a Saturday evening, you rotten old wibbler?
Read my posts and try to understand why your rotten old socialist nonsense viewpoints don’t apply in the real world.
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If you have no idea what I am talking about, you might want to read what I said....
What point do you disagree with. Be specific. (you won't... you will divert).
Also, what on earth makes you think I am a socialist? Never voted labour in my life. [Post edited 9 Nov 2024 22:30]
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 22:33 - Nov 9 with 879 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 22:30 - Nov 9 by redrickstuhaart |
If you have no idea what I am talking about, you might want to read what I said....
What point do you disagree with. Be specific. (you won't... you will divert).
Also, what on earth makes you think I am a socialist? Never voted labour in my life. [Post edited 9 Nov 2024 22:30]
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You are such a patronising nothing.
Why are you talking about minimum wage, benefits and referring it back to me?
What on earth is your issue?
“Be specific”. The rallying cry of the clueless idiot everywhere.
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 22:34 - Nov 9 with 877 views | redrickstuhaart |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 22:33 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
You are such a patronising nothing.
Why are you talking about minimum wage, benefits and referring it back to me?
What on earth is your issue?
“Be specific”. The rallying cry of the clueless idiot everywhere.
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3rd time. I have asked for a specific indication of what you say I had wrong.
I asked one final time, before assuming that you are not an honest interlocutor. | | | |
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 22:36 - Nov 9 with 868 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 22:30 - Nov 9 by redrickstuhaart |
If you have no idea what I am talking about, you might want to read what I said....
What point do you disagree with. Be specific. (you won't... you will divert).
Also, what on earth makes you think I am a socialist? Never voted labour in my life. [Post edited 9 Nov 2024 22:30]
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You really are a patronising moron.
I have 8 employees earning an average of ÂŁ80k Pa each.
WTF are you going on about?
You’re certifiable
Talk about making assumptions.
Goodness me you’re so clueless | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 22:38 - Nov 9 with 865 views | redrickstuhaart |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 22:36 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
You really are a patronising moron.
I have 8 employees earning an average of ÂŁ80k Pa each.
WTF are you going on about?
You’re certifiable
Talk about making assumptions.
Goodness me you’re so clueless |
So you wont say what I have wrong. Time for the div list.
Do note the use of the word "if" by the way.
Of course, if you are genuinely (which I leave open to question) running a business at those levels, your complaints about putting a bit back to help people who can barely pay to eat, is disgusting and selfish. | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 22:39 - Nov 9 with 860 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 22:34 - Nov 9 by redrickstuhaart |
3rd time. I have asked for a specific indication of what you say I had wrong.
I asked one final time, before assuming that you are not an honest interlocutor. |
Right, I’m deplatforming you.
You don’t deserve the “false equivalence” I was accused of giving to much more qualified people earlier.
Nothing to say to you. You have nothing if any with or note to say.
Good evening. [Post edited 9 Nov 2024 22:40]
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 22:42 - Nov 9 with 849 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 22:38 - Nov 9 by redrickstuhaart |
So you wont say what I have wrong. Time for the div list.
Do note the use of the word "if" by the way.
Of course, if you are genuinely (which I leave open to question) running a business at those levels, your complaints about putting a bit back to help people who can barely pay to eat, is disgusting and selfish. |
What you have wrong is that you were implying I have employees who need to claim benefits on top of what I’m paying them.
It’s not difficult.
Now, I’m not going to engage with you any more, as you’re as thick as bricks | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 22:45 - Nov 9 with 836 views | redrickstuhaart |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 22:42 - Nov 9 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
What you have wrong is that you were implying I have employees who need to claim benefits on top of what I’m paying them.
It’s not difficult.
Now, I’m not going to engage with you any more, as you’re as thick as bricks |
I didn't imply anything of the sort.
Read it again.
As I have already signposted, the word "if" is there. We are talking about principles and policies. And why they are right / fair.
That said, I am unconvinced that you operate at the level you suggest given the inability to follow a concept or understand facts.
Div listed. | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 22:48 - Nov 9 with 818 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 22:45 - Nov 9 by redrickstuhaart |
I didn't imply anything of the sort.
Read it again.
As I have already signposted, the word "if" is there. We are talking about principles and policies. And why they are right / fair.
That said, I am unconvinced that you operate at the level you suggest given the inability to follow a concept or understand facts.
Div listed. |
“The level I suggested”
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 22:54 - Nov 9 with 786 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 22:12 - Nov 9 by redrickstuhaart |
Logical fallacy there.
Referring to other nations has no bearing on the principle whatsoever.
You avoid the principle. |
Ok, night night… [Post edited 9 Nov 2024 23:02]
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 23:19 - Nov 9 with 734 views | Europablue |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 22:23 - Nov 9 by redrickstuhaart |
People on low wages routinely have to claim benefits to get by. Tax credits, housing benefits, UC. If your employees are doing so, and you make profit, your business is being subsidised by tax payers. You are not paying aliving wage, and the tax payer is making up the difference.
Nothing I said is wrong.
Nothing I said displays a lack of understanding.
If you say otherwise, be specific. |
This happened to me. I got a job making 14k in London and I needed housing benefits to afford my rent. That was over 10 years ago
Tesco is really famous for taking advantage like that.
I think that guy was getting a bit confused. Saying that something happens does not mean that it happens in all situations.
There are a lot of good employers out there who are looking out for their employees, but those are usually small businesses, not multi-nationals. | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 23:23 - Nov 9 with 723 views | Europablue |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 13:57 - Nov 8 by MattinLondon |
If the Brexit referendum, Trump and Boris Johnson’s election wins have anything in common is that the thickos will always back a charismatic liar who swears that they have their backs.
Starmer isn’t exactly charismatic, isn’t shameless enough to believe his own lies and doesn’t have a posh boy accent which fools people into making them believe that he’s highly intelligent.
Luckily for him, he’s up against a bunch of simpletons who lack self-awareness and personality.
Labour should win again but if the Tories latch onto hate-preacher Farage then the band of merry xenophobes might well cause Starmer a lot of problems. |
If Labour think like you, then they will be out of power soon.
Telling people they are thick is not going to win many votes.
In fact, I think a lot of Americans were sick of being told they are bad by the Democrats and rebelled.
Anyone who cares about the country would want to have highly intelligent and competent people in charge. I just despair because it isn't the case, but I would love to be proven wrong. | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 02:57 - Nov 10 with 640 views | quirkie |
The country is already on the up since Labour took power, and that has only taken 4 months.
Imagine everyone in 2028, we will all have a bit more money in our pockets, the NHS will be a proper health service again and the whole country will be in a much better mood.
Will take a little bit of patience, but thank you Starmer, Reeeves. |  |
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 07:45 - Nov 10 with 551 views | Zapers |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 02:57 - Nov 10 by quirkie |
The country is already on the up since Labour took power, and that has only taken 4 months.
Imagine everyone in 2028, we will all have a bit more money in our pockets, the NHS will be a proper health service again and the whole country will be in a much better mood.
Will take a little bit of patience, but thank you Starmer, Reeeves. |
Way too early to gloat.
You better hope you get a trade deal with the man you all hate.
Otherwise Reeves is gonna have a massive nightmare on her hands.
Not forgetting the likelihood that the farmers will soon grind the country to a halt. | | | |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 08:03 - Nov 10 with 541 views | LeoMuff |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 07:45 - Nov 10 by Zapers |
Way too early to gloat.
You better hope you get a trade deal with the man you all hate.
Otherwise Reeves is gonna have a massive nightmare on her hands.
Not forgetting the likelihood that the farmers will soon grind the country to a halt. |
Why not celebrate the positive ? more sorted out in term of infrastructure and workers pay deals that in 14 years of mismanagement
Think the public will give millionaire farmers quite short shrift if it comes to disruption.
Also we don’t need Trump if we can come up with a decent deal with the EU, Norway deal incoming. |  |
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 08:16 - Nov 10 with 529 views | GlasgowBlue |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 20:03 - Nov 9 by lowhouseblue |
great. but the follow up question then is what level of net immigration are they going to shout the case for from the rooftops? and all your examples seem to be of immigrants who are economically beneficial to the uk - so is that the criteria we should be applying (setting aside refugees of course)? and what responsibilities can the community reasonably place on immigrants? the issue is a bit more complex than you imply. |
Of course there has to be a sensible conversation about sustainable levels. Again, this is something a progressive government should be able to confidently debate.
My point is that progressive politicians tend to use two different tactics when debating immigration. Gordon Brown is a prime example from a decade ago. On the one hand we had the reform-lite “British jobs for British workers” mantra. On the other we had the example of him calling Gillian Duffy a “bigoted woman” for raising reasonable and genuine concerns about levels of immigration.
What I’m asking progressive politicians to do is have the courage to promote the cultural and economic positives that immigration has brought to the country whilst at the same time engaging with communities who aren’t necessarily seeing those benefits. They need to come forward with policies which set levels that take into account the needs of the country rather than using immigration as a political football, which both sides have been guilty of for at least thirty years.
Labour didnt have to do an awful lot to win the last election. In fact, they pretty much had to not say or over promise anything. Next time around they will be fighting on their own record rather than in the appalling record of the Tory government. So the lesson that Labour can learn from the Harris campaign is to speak positively about their record in government and their core beliefs rather than attacking their opponents and branding those voters who have concerns on immigration as “bigoted” etc. |  |
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 08:20 - Nov 10 with 532 views | blueasfook |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 08:16 - Nov 10 by GlasgowBlue |
Of course there has to be a sensible conversation about sustainable levels. Again, this is something a progressive government should be able to confidently debate.
My point is that progressive politicians tend to use two different tactics when debating immigration. Gordon Brown is a prime example from a decade ago. On the one hand we had the reform-lite “British jobs for British workers” mantra. On the other we had the example of him calling Gillian Duffy a “bigoted woman” for raising reasonable and genuine concerns about levels of immigration.
What I’m asking progressive politicians to do is have the courage to promote the cultural and economic positives that immigration has brought to the country whilst at the same time engaging with communities who aren’t necessarily seeing those benefits. They need to come forward with policies which set levels that take into account the needs of the country rather than using immigration as a political football, which both sides have been guilty of for at least thirty years.
Labour didnt have to do an awful lot to win the last election. In fact, they pretty much had to not say or over promise anything. Next time around they will be fighting on their own record rather than in the appalling record of the Tory government. So the lesson that Labour can learn from the Harris campaign is to speak positively about their record in government and their core beliefs rather than attacking their opponents and branding those voters who have concerns on immigration as “bigoted” etc. |
I am still waiting for Keir Starmer's plan to "smash the gangs". So far, he just seems to have given some more money to France. A plan which, so far, has proved ineffective at stopping the boats. |  |
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 08:38 - Nov 10 with 495 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 08:20 - Nov 10 by blueasfook |
I am still waiting for Keir Starmer's plan to "smash the gangs". So far, he just seems to have given some more money to France. A plan which, so far, has proved ineffective at stopping the boats. |
Very good point Blueas. Starmer's been in power a good 4 months now, how long does it take to destroy a foreign criminal gang network?! LAZY! |  |
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 09:20 - Nov 10 with 453 views | blueasfook |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 08:38 - Nov 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Very good point Blueas. Starmer's been in power a good 4 months now, how long does it take to destroy a foreign criminal gang network?! LAZY! |
Just a plan would be good. I am not asking for instant action, but you know, like some kind of way how they're going to do it? It's impossible the smash the gangs, they are far too well organised and resourceful. Trying to stop the gangs will be like playing European whack-a-mole and a huge waste of money and time. [Post edited 10 Nov 2024 9:20]
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| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 09:32 - Nov 10 with 441 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| What do Labour need to learn from the US election? on 09:20 - Nov 10 by blueasfook |
Just a plan would be good. I am not asking for instant action, but you know, like some kind of way how they're going to do it? It's impossible the smash the gangs, they are far too well organised and resourceful. Trying to stop the gangs will be like playing European whack-a-mole and a huge waste of money and time. [Post edited 10 Nov 2024 9:20]
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Yeah, trying to stop them is impossible and a huge waste of money and time... but we want a plan, Keir, give us a plan!
Like this plan;
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/home-secretary-sets-out-moral-imperative-to-s
We do need to look at alternative methods though. I think we should be training woodpeckers to head over to France and peck holes in the boats before they set off. | |
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