| We’re victims of our own success, promoted too soon? 22:21 - Dec 3 with 2305 views | IP1Blue |
Whilst we spent £100m on good players with resell value, has that cost us staying up? I only ask the question because whilst we have spent it on good players that have improved the team, it did seem pretty obvious even from the Liverpool game that we didn’t sign enough prem ready players. When you’re relying on half of your league one side to keep you in the prem, do we realistically have a chance of staying up?
The lack of a scouting department pre Gamechanger of which McKenna and Ashton have had to build seems to have caught up to us IMO. This isn’t McKenna or Ashtons fault as you can only inherit what you’re given but this imo has made us a victim of our success. We couldn’t explore markets outside of the UK because our scouting team wasn’t ready for that which inevitably has meant we could explore the UK markets effectively. Whilst the transfers we made were good, not being able to explore the international markets has meant we couldn’t get top division players in for a cheaper price to boost the squad e.g. Cajuste.
I don’t blame McKenna or Ashton as you can’t just go in that market without knowing what your signing with enough data but are we now starting to see the the big problem with not having a squad with enough top flight experience either in the premier league or across Europe.
I think it’s fair to say that Ashton made the best of what he could of the situation as he has said clearly in the past that the scouting department was non existent so having to build that from scratch as we have then gone from league one to the premier league in two years was an impossible task. The good thing is that the £100m we have spent, we should be able to recoup a large amount of that with the likes of greaves, Delap and Hutchinson ( them 3 alone you could get at least £30m for) if needed so I don’t think it’s a time to panic.
We were as a club pre gamechanger, a club in huge decline due to the lack of investment. We’ve gone back to back promotions and invested heavily in that time however Rome wasn’t built overnight and have probably been promoted too soon if you can say that as the club in areas wasn’t ready for the premier league and to adapt very quickly. I think it's easy to forget life pre 2022 as an Ipswich fan, we need to stay humble and remember the journey this club has been on, no one expected us to be where we are now so we should enjoy it and imo have no expectations this season as it should be viewed as a free hit. |  | | |  |
| We’re victims of our own success, promoted too soon? on 22:31 - Dec 3 with 2238 views | ITFC_Forever |
It’s impossible to get promoted too soon.
Even if you straight back down, you then have far more resources to strengthen the club than you would have done otherwise. |  |
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| We’re victims of our own success, promoted too soon? on 22:37 - Dec 3 with 2172 views | IP1Blue |
| We’re victims of our own success, promoted too soon? on 22:31 - Dec 3 by ITFC_Forever |
It’s impossible to get promoted too soon.
Even if you straight back down, you then have far more resources to strengthen the club than you would have done otherwise. |
I agree with you on that point.
I think the main point I was making is that was it ever realistic that we could ever compete in the premier league over a season with the resources we’ve had to work with in the last 2/3 years with the club being completely run down 15 years prior to that. I just think it was a big ask, I do feel that that this season was a free hit in terms of where we finish as the club will be in a lot stronger position regardless of where we finih compared to a few years ago which surely is still progress? | | | |
| We’re victims of our own success, promoted too soon? on 22:38 - Dec 3 with 2150 views | pointofblue |
| We’re victims of our own success, promoted too soon? on 22:31 - Dec 3 by ITFC_Forever |
It’s impossible to get promoted too soon.
Even if you straight back down, you then have far more resources to strengthen the club than you would have done otherwise. |
That hasn't exactly helped Luton, though I presume they haven't got the financial backing away from the parachute money. | |
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| We’re victims of our own success, promoted too soon? on 22:50 - Dec 3 with 2079 views | IP1Blue |
| We’re victims of our own success, promoted too soon? on 22:38 - Dec 3 by pointofblue |
That hasn't exactly helped Luton, though I presume they haven't got the financial backing away from the parachute money. |
Tbf, I’d argue we are a better run club with Ashton and co than Luton. | | | |
| We’re victims of our own success, promoted too soon? on 22:52 - Dec 3 with 2047 views | FrimleyBlue |
| We’re victims of our own success, promoted too soon? on 22:50 - Dec 3 by IP1Blue |
Tbf, I’d argue we are a better run club with Ashton and co than Luton. |
How so? |  |
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| We’re victims of our own success, promoted too soon? on 22:57 - Dec 3 with 2001 views | davblue |
| We’re victims of our own success, promoted too soon? on 22:50 - Dec 3 by IP1Blue |
Tbf, I’d argue we are a better run club with Ashton and co than Luton. |
Luton have been very well run for the last 5-10 years hence the 4 promotions. Been smart with the recruitment, think there’s an argument that they are better run than us if you want to compare like for like with them being a smaller club than us. |  | | |
| We’re victims of our own success, promoted too soon? on 23:12 - Dec 3 with 1905 views | IP1Blue |
| We’re victims of our own success, promoted too soon? on 22:57 - Dec 3 by davblue |
Luton have been very well run for the last 5-10 years hence the 4 promotions. Been smart with the recruitment, think there’s an argument that they are better run than us if you want to compare like for like with them being a smaller club than us. |
Yes maybe harsh for me to say.I would say our ceiling is higher, maybe not so better run as a club. | | | |
| We’re victims of our own success, promoted too soon? on 01:42 - Dec 4 with 1683 views | HemelBlue |
‘Promoted too soon’ chat; it’s the height of arrogance. We haven’t been in the prem at all before now while smart phones have existed. This ‘too soon’ saying implies we can just sit in the championship and bide our time building a better side. It’s dog eat dog in the championship and our owners plow more money in than we make at that level. We need to take promotion however and whenever it comes and then make the most of it. People forget that brentford came up via the playoffs and made it stick. Binners fluked their way up from league 1 then stayed up for 3 seasons. Forrest, Bournemouth have since been massively unfancied but made it stick. We’ve been poor because we have recruited badly and have been managed by an inexperienced management team at this level. No excuses. We have not been good enough | | | |
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| We’re victims of our own success, promoted too soon? on 20:41 - Dec 4 with 1367 views | IP1Blue |
| We’re victims of our own success, promoted too soon? on 01:42 - Dec 4 by HemelBlue |
‘Promoted too soon’ chat; it’s the height of arrogance. We haven’t been in the prem at all before now while smart phones have existed. This ‘too soon’ saying implies we can just sit in the championship and bide our time building a better side. It’s dog eat dog in the championship and our owners plow more money in than we make at that level. We need to take promotion however and whenever it comes and then make the most of it. People forget that brentford came up via the playoffs and made it stick. Binners fluked their way up from league 1 then stayed up for 3 seasons. Forrest, Bournemouth have since been massively unfancied but made it stick. We’ve been poor because we have recruited badly and have been managed by an inexperienced management team at this level. No excuses. We have not been good enough |
You can’t compare us to Brentford, Brighton, Bournemouth and Norwich. The gap between the championship and the premier league has never been bigger and the gap when they all went up was considerably smaller!
We may may of not been good enough but let’s be honest, fighting relegation was always going to happen! | | | |
| We’re victims of our own success, promoted too soon? on 21:33 - Dec 4 with 1307 views | Swansea_Blue |
| We’re victims of our own success, promoted too soon? on 22:31 - Dec 3 by ITFC_Forever |
It’s impossible to get promoted too soon.
Even if you straight back down, you then have far more resources to strengthen the club than you would have done otherwise. |
That doesn’t always work though. There are plenty of clubs in the Championship and L1 who’ve failed to bounce back since we were last in the PL).
I agree you’d certainly take promotion whenever it happens. Had we failed last year, there’s no guarantee we’d have been successful this. |  |
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| We’re victims of our own success, promoted too soon? on 21:39 - Dec 4 with 1273 views | jasondozzell |
| We’re victims of our own success, promoted too soon? on 01:42 - Dec 4 by HemelBlue |
‘Promoted too soon’ chat; it’s the height of arrogance. We haven’t been in the prem at all before now while smart phones have existed. This ‘too soon’ saying implies we can just sit in the championship and bide our time building a better side. It’s dog eat dog in the championship and our owners plow more money in than we make at that level. We need to take promotion however and whenever it comes and then make the most of it. People forget that brentford came up via the playoffs and made it stick. Binners fluked their way up from league 1 then stayed up for 3 seasons. Forrest, Bournemouth have since been massively unfancied but made it stick. We’ve been poor because we have recruited badly and have been managed by an inexperienced management team at this level. No excuses. We have not been good enough |
Recruited badly? Delap has half of Europe after him. O'Shea and Greaves both look very good premier League level CBs. Cajuste looks superb. Omari had United players chasing shadows.
Inexperienced management team? KMac who coached in PL and Champions League?
I think We've done well so far. Long way to go yet. We will stay up |  | | |
| We’re victims of our own success, promoted too soon? on 21:44 - Dec 4 with 1251 views | gainsboroughblue |
| We’re victims of our own success, promoted too soon? on 01:42 - Dec 4 by HemelBlue |
‘Promoted too soon’ chat; it’s the height of arrogance. We haven’t been in the prem at all before now while smart phones have existed. This ‘too soon’ saying implies we can just sit in the championship and bide our time building a better side. It’s dog eat dog in the championship and our owners plow more money in than we make at that level. We need to take promotion however and whenever it comes and then make the most of it. People forget that brentford came up via the playoffs and made it stick. Binners fluked their way up from league 1 then stayed up for 3 seasons. Forrest, Bournemouth have since been massively unfancied but made it stick. We’ve been poor because we have recruited badly and have been managed by an inexperienced management team at this level. No excuses. We have not been good enough |
Binners? Isn't that us? |  |
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| We’re victims of our own success, promoted too soon? on 21:49 - Dec 4 with 1238 views | bournemouthblue |
| We’re victims of our own success, promoted too soon? on 21:39 - Dec 4 by jasondozzell |
Recruited badly? Delap has half of Europe after him. O'Shea and Greaves both look very good premier League level CBs. Cajuste looks superb. Omari had United players chasing shadows.
Inexperienced management team? KMac who coached in PL and Champions League?
I think We've done well so far. Long way to go yet. We will stay up |
Even with what we have done, we still have the lowest budget by PSR rules are competing against sides who yoyoed immediately last season and were previously established PL sides
It is a massive uphill battle financially and we are completing against 19 other sides who have multiple more windows to sign PL quality players than us
If we finish 17th and that still isn't impossible currently, it will have been a success. I know that seems a long way off after last night but time will tell.
It's going to be a battle all season, if we get to January still in the mix and add a bit more quality, that makes the difference, you never know our fortunes could easily change |  |
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| We’re victims of our own success, promoted too soon? on 21:56 - Dec 4 with 1202 views | FrimleyBlue |
I do think we could have recruited better for a single season. But it's clear the clubs priority was resale value and bringing in talent who could develop and make the club money on the way. | |
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| We’re victims of our own success, promoted too soon? on 22:26 - Dec 4 with 1107 views | GlasgowBlue |
I would leave making judgement on this until the end of the season. We aren't bottom. We aren't cast adrift from the likes of West Ham, Leicester, Everton, Palace, Wolves or Southampton.
Lots of football still to be played. |  |
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| We’re victims of our own success, promoted too soon? on 22:37 - Dec 4 with 1067 views | HemelBlue |
| We’re victims of our own success, promoted too soon? on 21:39 - Dec 4 by jasondozzell |
Recruited badly? Delap has half of Europe after him. O'Shea and Greaves both look very good premier League level CBs. Cajuste looks superb. Omari had United players chasing shadows.
Inexperienced management team? KMac who coached in PL and Champions League?
I think We've done well so far. Long way to go yet. We will stay up |
Last night was a low though. Palace are exactly the level we gauge ourselves against and it was a physical mismatch. They seemed objectively stonger, faster, much more dymanic. We’ve recruited players that may well compete at that level and above in future but the a lot of the players are well below their ceiling and at this moment, we can’t compete.It then leads to people saying promotion is too early but we’ll lose Rory and Omari and although we’ll have money we’ll be down with a disrupted team, negative momentum and the EFL is tough.
Promotion is an opportunity that needs grasping, with planning for that first season, not signings that may be world class in season 5, when they are playing for someone else. | | | |
| We’re victims of our own success, promoted too soon? on 08:25 - Dec 5 with 863 views | monkeymagic |
| We’re victims of our own success, promoted too soon? on 21:56 - Dec 4 by FrimleyBlue |
I do think we could have recruited better for a single season. But it's clear the clubs priority was resale value and bringing in talent who could develop and make the club money on the way. |
Agreed, we could have built a side purely to try and stay up but have instead gone for a longer term strategy of securing financial stability buy buying players with strong resale value, and creating a football identity. | | | |
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