| There is no need to over analyse 16:56 - Dec 8 with 6460 views | itfcsuth |
It’s just a lack of quality for the PL.
Can look back at the summer window and say we got it horribly wrong.
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| There is no need to over analyse on 11:22 - Dec 10 with 1064 views | sjg |
| There is no need to over analyse on 11:21 - Dec 10 by itfcjoe |
I think there is a bit of an over egging and then some bias in descriptions of players when Cajuste is seen as the star signing ("looks the one who is really capable of PL football") and Delap is just seen as a top prospect who needs support, and Omari is seen as an inconsistent prospect.
If we were to go down this season, ypu could easily see something like this happening:
Cajuste and Phillips go back
Delap, Davis and Omari sold for north of £100m
Rest of the squad remain, and we have £80m to spend in the Championship to add more quality back to the squad and utilise the loan market
The promotion, and the window we have had has transformed as a football club |
No chance are we getting 100m for those three |  | | |
| There is no need to over analyse on 11:26 - Dec 10 with 1051 views | portmanking |
| There is no need to over analyse on 11:22 - Dec 10 by sjg |
No chance are we getting 100m for those three |
You're kidding, right?
£50m for Delap
£30m for Hutchinson
£25m-£30m for Davis
How is there 'no chance' we'd raise £100m+? | | | |
| There is no need to over analyse on 11:30 - Dec 10 with 1043 views | sjg |
| There is no need to over analyse on 11:26 - Dec 10 by portmanking |
You're kidding, right?
£50m for Delap
£30m for Hutchinson
£25m-£30m for Davis
How is there 'no chance' we'd raise £100m+? |
You've got some blue tinted specs on I think | | | |
| There is no need to over analyse on 11:51 - Dec 10 with 1000 views | itfcsuth |
| There is no need to over analyse on 11:26 - Dec 10 by portmanking |
You're kidding, right?
£50m for Delap
£30m for Hutchinson
£25m-£30m for Davis
How is there 'no chance' we'd raise £100m+? |
Delap around £40m is realistic, but cant see Davis & Hutchinson going for £30m each as things stand. | | | |
| There is no need to over analyse on 11:55 - Dec 10 with 992 views | portmanking |
| There is no need to over analyse on 11:51 - Dec 10 by itfcsuth |
Delap around £40m is realistic, but cant see Davis & Hutchinson going for £30m each as things stand. |
Delap is 21, English and making a real splash in the top flight. What other young English striker has made such an impact in recent years? Solanke went for £65m and Delap has six years' worth of development on him.
As for Davis, name me a better attacking left back outside of the top six?
Hutchinson, once again, you're paying for his pedigree and the number of years left to develop him before even remotely reaches his full potential. If we go down I could see someone like Nottingham Forest looking at Omari, which would be galling.
Alternatively, we may only look to actively sell Delap and use that £50m to rebuild our frontline and central midfield. | | | |
| There is no need to over analyse on 12:03 - Dec 10 with 964 views | cressi |
Because we have been in the doldrums for many a year it's not easy to just go abroad for players we never had a network further than Sudbury. Hopefully it is something we will now do remember we had 20yrs of decline and being eaten away at
Not over yet.. | | | |
| There is no need to over analyse on 12:18 - Dec 10 with 940 views | tractorboy1978 |
| There is no need to over analyse on 11:55 - Dec 10 by portmanking |
Delap is 21, English and making a real splash in the top flight. What other young English striker has made such an impact in recent years? Solanke went for £65m and Delap has six years' worth of development on him.
As for Davis, name me a better attacking left back outside of the top six?
Hutchinson, once again, you're paying for his pedigree and the number of years left to develop him before even remotely reaches his full potential. If we go down I could see someone like Nottingham Forest looking at Omari, which would be galling.
Alternatively, we may only look to actively sell Delap and use that £50m to rebuild our frontline and central midfield. |
Only selling Delap if we went down is something I had considered and wouldn't surprise me, albeit I think you would need McKenna to stay to convince Davis/Omari to give us a year. One thing is for sure, we won't be selling players unless it is completely on our terms. A long time left to go this season, but I'm not sure Omari has done enough for another PL club to value him at the sort of value we would. | | | |
| There is no need to over analyse on 12:20 - Dec 10 with 938 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
| There is no need to over analyse on 11:55 - Dec 10 by portmanking |
Delap is 21, English and making a real splash in the top flight. What other young English striker has made such an impact in recent years? Solanke went for £65m and Delap has six years' worth of development on him.
As for Davis, name me a better attacking left back outside of the top six?
Hutchinson, once again, you're paying for his pedigree and the number of years left to develop him before even remotely reaches his full potential. If we go down I could see someone like Nottingham Forest looking at Omari, which would be galling.
Alternatively, we may only look to actively sell Delap and use that £50m to rebuild our frontline and central midfield. |
I think £40m tops is about right for Delap but a lot of that is based on potential. He has a lot of development left in him and is by no means a finished article. The same was said about Evan Ferguson being the next Harry Kane when his stock was very high in his breakthrough season. He's been quiet since but there's a serious player there if he gets a run of games again. Delap is a very attractive target if we go down though.
Davis has settled into the Prem well, but there's a few LB's who are around his level or better outside the top 6. Robinson at Fulham has been consistent for years, Kerkez at Bournemouth, Hall at Newcastle, Ait-Nouri at Wolves for example. All, including Davis, are good at this level.
Omari is inconsistent but that comes with age. He stood out against Spurs and Man Utd, but quiet against Forest, Palace and Bournemouth. I think you're right with Forest, maybe even Bournemouth as well. One of those he'd suit. |  |
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| There is no need to over analyse on 12:29 - Dec 10 with 926 views | itfcsuth |
| There is no need to over analyse on 11:55 - Dec 10 by portmanking |
Delap is 21, English and making a real splash in the top flight. What other young English striker has made such an impact in recent years? Solanke went for £65m and Delap has six years' worth of development on him.
As for Davis, name me a better attacking left back outside of the top six?
Hutchinson, once again, you're paying for his pedigree and the number of years left to develop him before even remotely reaches his full potential. If we go down I could see someone like Nottingham Forest looking at Omari, which would be galling.
Alternatively, we may only look to actively sell Delap and use that £50m to rebuild our frontline and central midfield. |
Delap is making a splash as you say, but still a lot of room for development, and incredibly raw - and £40m is not pocket change, it's still a big fee for someone to pay out.
Davis has done ok, but has had less influence attacking, and has struggled at times defensively - players like Kerkez, A.Robinson, Ait-Nouri are all ahead of Davis right now, it's just a huge step up.
Omari, raw as anything, talent in abundance, but so much development to do. If we go down, teams are not going to pay £30m for him, just look at the likes of Philogene, M.Rogers, J.Clarke - £15m seems to be the spot.
I think you are thinking with blue tinted specs on and not stepping back and actually looking at the wider football world. | | | |
| There is no need to over analyse on 12:48 - Dec 10 with 892 views | itfcjoe |
| There is no need to over analyse on 12:29 - Dec 10 by itfcsuth |
Delap is making a splash as you say, but still a lot of room for development, and incredibly raw - and £40m is not pocket change, it's still a big fee for someone to pay out.
Davis has done ok, but has had less influence attacking, and has struggled at times defensively - players like Kerkez, A.Robinson, Ait-Nouri are all ahead of Davis right now, it's just a huge step up.
Omari, raw as anything, talent in abundance, but so much development to do. If we go down, teams are not going to pay £30m for him, just look at the likes of Philogene, M.Rogers, J.Clarke - £15m seems to be the spot.
I think you are thinking with blue tinted specs on and not stepping back and actually looking at the wider football world. |
"just look at the likes of Philogene, M.Rogers, J.Clarke - £15m seems to be the spot.
I think you are thinking with blue tinted specs on and not stepping back and actually looking at the wider football world."
None of those 3 players had played any PL football, so that is hardly looking at the wider football world |  |
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| There is no need to over analyse on 12:54 - Dec 10 with 868 views | hype313 |
| There is no need to over analyse on 12:29 - Dec 10 by itfcsuth |
Delap is making a splash as you say, but still a lot of room for development, and incredibly raw - and £40m is not pocket change, it's still a big fee for someone to pay out.
Davis has done ok, but has had less influence attacking, and has struggled at times defensively - players like Kerkez, A.Robinson, Ait-Nouri are all ahead of Davis right now, it's just a huge step up.
Omari, raw as anything, talent in abundance, but so much development to do. If we go down, teams are not going to pay £30m for him, just look at the likes of Philogene, M.Rogers, J.Clarke - £15m seems to be the spot.
I think you are thinking with blue tinted specs on and not stepping back and actually looking at the wider football world. |
Delap is raw, but he's scoring goals in the premiership, he's 21 and will only get better.
There are plenty of clubs looking at him given his profile and stature.
He's also one of very few, if any, at his age with those kind of stats.
£50m in todays climate is the minimum for someone like him. |  |
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| There is no need to over analyse on 12:54 - Dec 10 with 863 views | itfcsuth |
| There is no need to over analyse on 12:48 - Dec 10 by itfcjoe |
"just look at the likes of Philogene, M.Rogers, J.Clarke - £15m seems to be the spot.
I think you are thinking with blue tinted specs on and not stepping back and actually looking at the wider football world."
None of those 3 players had played any PL football, so that is hardly looking at the wider football world |
I'm not sure having a one season, in a relegated side (should we be), is going to suddenly increase his price from £15m to £30m, especially when you see how raw he looks at times in this league.
He's shown flashes of quality, but has also shown large periods where he has really struggled. | | | |
| There is no need to over analyse on 13:29 - Dec 10 with 794 views | itfcjoe |
| There is no need to over analyse on 12:54 - Dec 10 by itfcsuth |
I'm not sure having a one season, in a relegated side (should we be), is going to suddenly increase his price from £15m to £30m, especially when you see how raw he looks at times in this league.
He's shown flashes of quality, but has also shown large periods where he has really struggled. |
There haven't been many times when he has 'really struggled', he's putting enough of a show reel together as a 21 year old playing nearly every minute in a demanding role - I think you underestimate what a season at PL level will do for a player.
Wilson Odobert put a half decent season for Burnley together a year or so younger than Omari - 3G and 2A in 29 games. Burnley signed him for £12m and sold him to Spurs this summer for £30m | |
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| There is no need to over analyse on 13:49 - Dec 10 with 750 views | OldFart71 |
We may or may not have got the business right. But you can bet your bottom dollar that many of our team will command decent fees should we be relegated. But really to say we will get relegated is premature, a few wins and we would be up the league. Obviously it's getting those wins with a pretty thin squad. But ways must be found to gain points even if that means being a bit boring and more dogged in our approach, a bit Mick McCarty ish perhaps. | | | |
| There is no need to over analyse on 13:50 - Dec 10 with 750 views | itfcsuth |
| There is no need to over analyse on 13:29 - Dec 10 by itfcjoe |
There haven't been many times when he has 'really struggled', he's putting enough of a show reel together as a 21 year old playing nearly every minute in a demanding role - I think you underestimate what a season at PL level will do for a player.
Wilson Odobert put a half decent season for Burnley together a year or so younger than Omari - 3G and 2A in 29 games. Burnley signed him for £12m and sold him to Spurs this summer for £30m |
He was awful in the 10 for the first batch of games, he looked so far off it.
Came out against Brentford with illness and then looked really sharp for 2/3 games and has drifted away again.
No one is saying he's a bad player at all, but let's not get carried away. | | | |
| There is no need to over analyse on 14:20 - Dec 10 with 711 views | itfcjoe |
| There is no need to over analyse on 13:50 - Dec 10 by itfcsuth |
He was awful in the 10 for the first batch of games, he looked so far off it.
Came out against Brentford with illness and then looked really sharp for 2/3 games and has drifted away again.
No one is saying he's a bad player at all, but let's not get carried away. |
We aren't going to reach a consensus on his value if that is your view on his performances this year | |
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| There is no need to over analyse on 14:27 - Dec 10 with 690 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| There is no need to over analyse on 13:50 - Dec 10 by itfcsuth |
He was awful in the 10 for the first batch of games, he looked so far off it.
Came out against Brentford with illness and then looked really sharp for 2/3 games and has drifted away again.
No one is saying he's a bad player at all, but let's not get carried away. |
Not once has Omari been "awful". |  |
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| There is no need to over analyse on 14:30 - Dec 10 with 686 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| There is no need to over analyse on 12:54 - Dec 10 by itfcsuth |
I'm not sure having a one season, in a relegated side (should we be), is going to suddenly increase his price from £15m to £30m, especially when you see how raw he looks at times in this league.
He's shown flashes of quality, but has also shown large periods where he has really struggled. |
Odobert from Burnley is basically a carbon copy of this situation.
One year younger, 3 goals, 3 assists last season went for £25M + 5M. | | | |
| There is no need to over analyse on 14:31 - Dec 10 with 683 views | portmanking |
| There is no need to over analyse on 14:30 - Dec 10 by Bellevue_Blue |
Odobert from Burnley is basically a carbon copy of this situation.
One year younger, 3 goals, 3 assists last season went for £25M + 5M. |
Yup, precisely. Then add your 'English Tax' (U21 international) on top and there's no doubt someone would pay £30m for him.
Alternatively, I'd be more than happy if no-one fancied him and he could spearhead our promotion bid in 2025/26. | | | |
| There is no need to over analyse on 14:37 - Dec 10 with 664 views | itfcjoe |
| There is no need to over analyse on 14:31 - Dec 10 by portmanking |
Yup, precisely. Then add your 'English Tax' (U21 international) on top and there's no doubt someone would pay £30m for him.
Alternatively, I'd be more than happy if no-one fancied him and he could spearhead our promotion bid in 2025/26. |
The main part of the English tax is the 3 years in England before age 21 - I don't think Odobert will hit that marker as wasn't here before his 18th birthday. SO not just necessarily a nationality thing.
It's also part of the reason why Spurs signed Archie Gray this summer, and why Chris Rigg may go - because they'll have signed before 18th birthday and count as a club trained player for European competition which is massive | |
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